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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#681 » by KidA24 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:59 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Between the stupid Cup and Play-in, Silver somehow extending the season even longer while also further diluting the product/quality of games is honestly pretty impressive. Dude is an absolute menace and I'm convinced that he actually hates the sport that he's paid millions of dollars to oversee.


I had that same thought yesterday. He pays lip service to the idea of shortening the season, to improve the quality of the product, but all he’s done is make it longer.

He’s all for finding new ways to extract another buck in the short-term, but it feels like there’s no long term vision.


He works for the owners. His job is to maximize revenue, nothing more nothing less.

The fan experience is barely a blip on his radar
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#682 » by BroncoBuck » Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:34 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Between the stupid Cup and Play-in, Silver somehow extending the season even longer while also further diluting the product/quality of games is honestly pretty impressive. Dude is an absolute menace and I'm convinced that he actually hates the sport that he's paid millions of dollars to oversee.


I had that same thought yesterday. He pays lip service to the idea of shortening the season, to improve the quality of the product, but all he’s done is make it longer.

He’s all for finding new ways to extract another buck in the short-term, but it feels like there’s no long term vision.


The commissioner is just a mouth piece for the owners (governors lol) and the massive tv contracts they desire.

In season tournament, play in games, awards restrictions based on games played. It doesn’t matter who the commissioner is.

Again, shout out to the terrible CBA the players signed so they could smoke weed.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#683 » by BroncoBuck » Thu Apr 17, 2025 3:40 pm

I do believe that we’re a CBA or two away from another amnesty clause provision. These Max contracts are getting so massive that one bad super max could cripple a team for half a decade.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#684 » by Bernman » Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:02 pm

German Athens wrote:Man, the warriors royally screwed up with their recent high draft picks.

They got cute with it, thinking their **** don’t stink, and tried to find their next core post Steph.

In 2020 and 2021, they completely botched the #2, #7, and #14 picks (I still like moody to a degree, but he’s not awesome value at that spot). They could have packaged those for a dude who’s like 25 and a capable top 3 guy who would be in his prime now, but instead they just lit those assets on fire.

Maybe you wouldn’t like the financial situation, but then you could have moved those picks for future picks, and retained flexibility for a massive trade later.

I know you gotta trust your scouting in the moment. If Wiseman had turned into a star, they’re fine. But in hindsight, it’s brutal.


They also could have had the strategy of drafting the best prospects who were close to ready to play. Now in '20 that wouldn't have helped them. All the options after their pick, young & old, would have been disasters for GS. But in '21, they could have nabbed Franz Wagner & Trey Murphy, for examples. They were ready to contribute early, plus proved to have plenty of upside. GS both failed in the objective of setting themselves up for the present AND future. Now that's impressive.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#685 » by German Athens » Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:47 pm

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German Athens wrote:Man, the warriors royally screwed up with their recent high draft picks.

They got cute with it, thinking their **** don’t stink, and tried to find their next core post Steph.

In 2020 and 2021, they completely botched the #2, #7, and #14 picks (I still like moody to a degree, but he’s not awesome value at that spot). They could have packaged those for a dude who’s like 25 and a capable top 3 guy who would be in his prime now, but instead they just lit those assets on fire.

Maybe you wouldn’t like the financial situation, but then you could have moved those picks for future picks, and retained flexibility for a massive trade later.

I know you gotta trust your scouting in the moment. If Wiseman had turned into a star, they’re fine. But in hindsight, it’s brutal.


They also could have had the strategy of drafting the best prospects who were close to ready to play. Now in '20 that wouldn't have helped them. All the options after their pick, young & old, would have been disasters for GS. But in '21, they could have nabbed Franz Wagner & Trey Murphy, for examples. They were ready to contribute early, plus proved to have plenty of upside. GS both failed in the objective of setting themselves up for the present AND future. Now that's impressive.


I think it’s a slippery slope to draft based off who you think is able to contribute early, but I do think nba skillsets and likelihood need to be a part of the consideration. Teams get it wrong both ways all the time. Dudes who we thought were high floor, plug and play types, suck immediately, and guys who we thought would take years to develop, contribute early. Giannis being a good example of the latter. I think generally, players show within those first two years whether they are legit or not.

I think teams just too often overlook feel and ball handling in prospects. Both wiseman and Kuminga had those flags, and that always severely limits the ceiling on a player.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#686 » by chonestown » Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:52 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:Monte McNair out in Sacramento.

Let the fleece trade ideas begin.

The time to fleece is probably before they fire the guy who traded Haliburton to make room for Fox and then trade Fox and try to build a winning team around Sabonis and the Bulls.


Their GMs before Monte were just as bad, and I'll predict their GMs after Monte will be just as bad.

When you have meddlesome ownership, the GM doesn't stand a chance.


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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#687 » by Bernman » Thu Apr 17, 2025 5:02 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Between the stupid Cup and Play-in, Silver somehow extending the season even longer while also further diluting the product/quality of games is honestly pretty impressive. Dude is an absolute menace and I'm convinced that he actually hates the sport that he's paid millions of dollars to oversee.


I had that same thought yesterday. He pays lip service to the idea of shortening the season, to improve the quality of the product, but all he’s done is make it longer.

He’s all for finding new ways to extract another buck in the short-term, but it feels like there’s no long term vision.


He works for the owners. His job is to maximize revenue, nothing more nothing less.

The fan experience is barely a blip on his radar


But it doesn't generate the revenue it should. They've been on par w/ MLB, & are doubled by the NFL. The NFL does that while playing 5 times less games. MLB plays more, but it's a slow sport, to wit an inferior product. No way it should be matching the NBA's revenue.

The NBA is far and away the worst run major league in America. It does have the worst owners. But also Silver should have agency for his bad ideas. He's specifically responsible for NBA Cup & the play-ins. Those are excess. They could have just stuck w/ the brutal 82-game schedule that they were previously content with. And a savvier voice should be able to convince them sometimes less is more. More people would attend/tune-in per game if there were less of them & they incentivized winning across the board.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#688 » by paulpressey25 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 5:18 pm

Kings are hiring Scott Perry as GM. This is great news for the rest of the league. Vivek will be wanting to play GM even more than he usually does.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#689 » by tydett » Thu Apr 17, 2025 5:21 pm

Too bad the Kings are dookie. Not really anyone I'd be interested in on that roster for any assets the team would have to give up.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#690 » by German Athens » Thu Apr 17, 2025 5:44 pm

tydett wrote:Too bad the Kings are dookie. Not really anyone I'd be interested in on that roster for any assets the team would have to give up.


Probably more about a 3-team deal where we send them Dame, they send assets to a third team, and we get a player we want.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#691 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:04 pm

Cant believe they dont have games tonight. No reason 2/7, 3/6 or 4/5 shouldn't be playing tonight. It even makes sense since 1/8 is a shorter series most of the time, so it would even out duration.
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Post#692 » by blazza18 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:27 pm

Kings really fired and hired a GM within 8-10 hours? Sounds like a well run organisation to me.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#693 » by Licensed to Il » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:09 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Between the stupid Cup and Play-in, Silver somehow extending the season even longer while also further diluting the product/quality of games is honestly pretty impressive. Dude is an absolute menace and I'm convinced that he actually hates the sport that he's paid millions of dollars to oversee.


Silver has been terrible, I was the biggest NBA fan/supporter I knew. He’s overseen a stretch where almost every aspect of the game became worse. Just some really poor decisions and vision, in an era where the talent is as good or better than ever.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#694 » by soxperry » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:22 pm

Suns owner really threw Bud under the bus publicly. Basically said coaching was the issue????

Do you think maybe having a depleted roster while having massive money invested in a net negative player who doesn't care about winning may actually be the thing?
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#695 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:28 pm

NBA TV ratings are a fraction of NFL ratings. Would a reduction in the number of games mean an increase in TV ratings enough so they could raise the rights fees to match the revenue loss of less games? I'm guessing no. And neither the players or owners will agree to less money/less games. Reducing the number of games to say 60 is 14.6% less games. Each team would have 11 less home games. TV networks would have less games to televise. There isn't a way you can reduce the number of games without reducing revenue. It's a no go unfortunately.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#696 » by Baddy Chuck » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:53 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Kings are hiring Scott Perry as GM. This is great news for the rest of the league. Vivek will be wanting to play GM even more than he usually does.

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Post#697 » by Ekul47 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:22 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Cant believe they dont have games tonight. No reason 2/7, 3/6 or 4/5 shouldn't be playing tonight. It even makes sense since 1/8 is a shorter series most of the time, so it would even out duration.


Why don't they break the play-in games up so it would be something like:

TUES: East 9/10 and 7/8
WED: West 9/10 and 7/8
THURS: East last play-in
FRI: West last play-in

Is a doubleheader on Friday better for ratings than one each Thursday and Friday?
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Post#698 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:42 pm

soxperry wrote:Suns owner really threw Bud under the bus publicly. Basically said coaching was the issue????

Do you think maybe having a depleted roster while having massive money invested in a net negative player who doesn't care about winning may actually be the thing?


Beal won 49 games the year before. Bud didn't coach. It looked like he was trying to get fired like Monty did in Detroit. Bud had a better roster than Vogel did.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#699 » by paulpressey25 » Fri Apr 18, 2025 3:11 am

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I know your mind is running wild.


I laughed.That was good.

The guy I wanted to fleece from them was Fox. We’ll see how Dame does this playoffs. Lavine and Keegan match up salary wise.
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Re: ATL - Bud Out in Phoenix 

Post#700 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Apr 18, 2025 3:42 am

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I know your mind is running wild.


I laughed.That was good.

The guy I wanted to fleece from them was Fox. We’ll see how Dame does this playoffs. Lavine and Keegan match up salary wise.


The problem is the Kings don't have any good players. Murray has no offense, Lavine isn't a winner and isn't movable. Ellis fits us perfect, but it's almost impossible to make the money work. Can we reroute Monk and Derozen? Keep Ellis, get some picks to use to get the SF we need.

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