Billy D or new coach

[DuckIII]

As far as I am concerned the Bulls have overperformed every year BD has been here.

It the FO, it’s the roster. I don’t mean to be a jerk, but how much more painfully obvious can our real problems be? And have been for years?

This season was the first adjustment.

Imo it’s obvious that AK values point of attack defense, but I think the next phase should be rim protection

Well he may value POA defense in theory but right now ours is putrid.

[WesPeace]

As far as I am concerned the Bulls have overperformed every year BD has been here.

It the FO, it’s the roster. I don’t mean to be a jerk, but how much more painfully obvious can our real problems be? And have been for years?

Billy should get AK fired and bring in a GM that knows how to build a team.

Or become GM and pick his coach.

Billy is not the problem. AK is.

I agree here, AKME are bigger problem.. and of course Reinsdorfs!

but with Billy - I just dont see it with him.. of course we have roster issues and young squad, but some issues are constant like unprepared team who open the game like bunch of elementary school rookies, bad defensive meltdowns, way too much cold and hot version of teams last 5 years, iso crappy solutions on offense all these years, playing offensive guys when you need defense or vice versa..

[WesPeace]

I select Option Billy D

Do you honestly think the coaching is holding back a great roster? Or are you so childish as to think that there's a championship coach, who face it 8-10 coaches get fired every season, is the answer to propel this team to a title?

Wise up, what happens in every championship run is a group of players comes together, they responds to a given coach at just the right period in time and they win. Maybe just one, maybe 2 out of 4 or 3 of 5 but it's just the right combination of the two and then it's over and somebody else hits the mark.

No,we are far from great team... We have also bigger issue with AKME and Reinsdorf than Billy itself, but I just dont see it with him that he can take team to next level. I replied my reasons to why he should go in reply before this. Same things are repeating too much..

also I forgot to mention accountability, he seems to rub it to some players,but not to all ..

[Red Larrivee]

Billy D had 5 years with Bulls, I think its more than enough, we need to replace him. He got outcoached badly again yesterday vs Spoelstra. Five years is a long run and change of scenery sometimes boosts team a bit. He is kind good guy, solid A to B coach,but he lacks a lot in many areas to be tier 1 NBA coach.

AKME should be gone as well,but thats almost impossible I feel at this stage.

I think now its ideal time to go for new coach,because after a long time,there is plenty of solid options to go after. Malone, Jenkins, Budenholzer and Brown all available. My preference Mike Malone. Of course there is no guarantee any of them would want to come to rebuilding team.

Who would be your choice,if possible?

I don't see how you can attribute last night's loss to an issue of coaching. You certainly don't get beat like that because of who your coach is. There was no adjustment to make to prevent that result in real time.

I'm not against replacing Donovan, but he's not a major issue either. He's yet to have a roster where he left meat on the bone at the end of the season. He also hasn't lost the locker room, nor does he have a negative relationship with the front office.

4 of the last 6 coaches who've won championships have been fired. This is and always will be a talent league. I don't think the Bulls are any closer to being a great team by replacing Donovan with any of the above coaches.

I respectfully disagree. They have 1 offensive option who is a defensive sieve and 3P specialist, and a bunch of mediocre defensive shooters, and we let them have a field day in the paint. Our defensive C played 4 minutes, and the other more athletic big played 3.

We gave up a league high 54 points in the paint per game this season. Everyone had a field day against us in the paint. That's not a coaching issue; it's roster construction.

[HomoSapien]

It's not happening, and everyone here knows it. I have had issues with his coaching at times but he did a good job this season.

[DASMACKDOWN]

I am sticking with Billy.

Look, I have clear issues with Billy Donovan. I dont like everything he does. I dont think you will find a coach that you like everything.

But it goes down to, does he make good decisions. Do the players buy into him/respect him.

If you the answer is yes, then he gets my vote every time.

What gets coaches fired is generally player/coach relationship or owner/front office to coach relationship. And right now Billy ticks all boxes.

[KissedByaRose1]

Billy is fine, definition of league average.

We would be better with Bud or Malone for sure. Both of those guys would demand a salary consistent with a championship winning coach. Not going to happen while Jerry's their.

I'd sacrifice $100 a paycheck the rest of my life for Ime Udoka. He isn't a magician either but in a league full of entitled pansies he's the only guy who's got the stones to yell/coach/bench and would be so so so awesome for our young guys.

[Chi town]

AK just said that Billy is absolutely the right coach here. Don't think he's getting fired.

Billy won’t be fired. He’s AK’s guy. Never been in question.

Billy also said before the season that he loved the challenge of rebuilding and developing young talent.

I’d be shocked if Billy doesn’t get 3 more years with this core of Coby Giddey Buz

[Hangtime84]

As far as I am concerned the Bulls have overperformed every year BD has been here.

It the FO, it’s the roster. I don’t mean to be a jerk, but how much more painfully obvious can our real problems be? And have been for years?

This season was the first adjustment.

Imo it’s obvious that AK values point of attack defense, but I think the next phase should be rim protection

Zo, Ayo, Alex and green were all good point of attack defenders. Now with the pieces they have especially Josh and Coby playing big minutes that philosophy has to change.

Better PnR defenders

Well he may value POA defense in theory but right now ours is putrid.

[burlydee]

Schematically I do worry whether Donovan is doing enough. The Bulls looked unprepared from a scheme standpoint against Miami. But Malone doesn't seem like a great fit for a young group. He basically refused to play multiple young guys. Brown either- he's fine, I don't see the big difference between him and BD. Coach Bud has his soul stolen by Kevin Durant and Bradley Beal so he may need some time off.

I don't know much about Jenkins. I like how he was willing to use more of his roster than Billy and really has coached a lot of guys up. It also seems like he was did a bit dirty in Memphis with a ownership/GM that have more faith in the team than probably deserved. Ja is hurt, I don't understand why Jackson doesn't rebound, and Bane is good but limited. I thought he maximized what they can do.

I change my mind all the time on BD because, on the one hand he has not been given the greatest rosters in his time here and has done a decent job developing guys in my opinion, on the other hand I wouldn't put him in the top half of the league in X's and O's. Been through a few of these play-in games / playoff scenarios with him and the Bulls NEVER look like the crisper or more prepared team.

[Evil_Headband]

I don’t think Billy has lost the players and outwardly seems to be on the same page as management and ownership. The guys on your list don’t have a good track record in those regards.

Keep Billy.

Holy hell

2 of those guys have a damn championship

Billy has multiple championships.

[jacoby1us]

If the Bulls organization is serious about winning in the future then there needs to be a shake up with the executive leadership as well as a coaching change. If the Bulls are fine with their current directionless efforts then they will continue this downward spiral.

[MrSparkle]

I don't see how you can attribute last night's loss to an issue of coaching. You certainly don't get beat like that because of who your coach is. There was no adjustment to make to prevent that result in real time.

I'm not against replacing Donovan, but he's not a major issue either. He's yet to have a roster where he left meat on the bone at the end of the season. He also hasn't lost the locker room, nor does he have a negative relationship with the front office.

4 of the last 6 coaches who've won championships have been fired. This is and always will be a talent league. I don't think the Bulls are any closer to being a great team by replacing Donovan with any of the above coaches.

I respectfully disagree. They have 1 offensive option who is a defensive sieve and 3P specialist, and a bunch of mediocre defensive shooters, and we let them have a field day in the paint. Our defensive C played 4 minutes, and the other more athletic big played 3.

We gave up a league high 54 points in the paint per game this season. Everyone had a field day against us in the paint. That's not a coaching issue; it's roster construction.

An elimination game is about match-ups. The Heat have two 3P shooters on the roster, both of whom can’t defend well. The rest are very poor at shooting consistently. You don’t treat them the same way you treat 20 other teams. Miami didn’t decide to double Giddey, they trapped him and blocked his pass lanes, and swarmed Coby and made him turn over his possessions since they know he can’t pass well in traffic.

Billy let Huerter get cooked alive by Herro in iso for an entire half. Could’ve attacked him with some real aggressive double-team coverage, but no. We had to let him cook, or let Giddey/Vuc get PnR’d to death by some of the most average offensive starters in the NBA. He tried zone at some point but the wheels were already off the bus.

I’m not making this stuff up. Look at the minute report. Matas was the first guy to the bench. Phillips never really got off the bench. Zach for 5 and Jalen for 3 is just comical.

I don’t know what trend he hoped to buck with Patrick, but he got a 0-2, 14 minute, -9 performance out of the dude, instead of just playing Matas more minutes and considering pairing him more with Phillips and Collins. Our strongest, most mobile front-court defenders.

But where I’ll agree, is Miami put on a clinic targeting Josh on defense. Coby and Vuc too, but that’s a given. However, any contract negotiation with Giddey’s hot-streak should start and end with his exposed defense.

[cool007]

AK just said that Billy is absolutely the right coach here. Don't think he's getting fired.

Our main problem is AK (besides the ownership). AK should have been fired like yesterday.

Need a new vision.

[jnrjr79]

I find the “fire Billy” takes to be basically insane. He completely revamped the way this team plays around its personnel and significantly overperformed the Vegas odds. The problem is the roster, and in a bigger picture sense, ownership.

If you fired AK and the new GM wanted his own coach, fine. But moving on from Billy while retaining AK is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[Am2626]

I don’t think Billy has lost the players and outwardly seems to be on the same page as management and ownership. The guys on your list don’t have a good track record in those regards.

Keep Billy.

The Bulls should be focused on roster building and not worrying about a new coach. They need to draft well and find ways to improve the roster via trade and or free agency. Wasting resources on a coach right now is not needed.

[Am2626]

I respectfully disagree. They have 1 offensive option who is a defensive sieve and 3P specialist, and a bunch of mediocre defensive shooters, and we let them have a field day in the paint. Our defensive C played 4 minutes, and the other more athletic big played 3.

We gave up a league high 54 points in the paint per game this season. Everyone had a field day against us in the paint. That's not a coaching issue; it's roster construction.

An elimination game is about match-ups. The Heat have two 3P shooters on the roster, both of whom can’t defend well. The rest are very poor at shooting consistently. You don’t treat them the same way you treat 20 other teams. Miami didn’t decide to double Giddey, they trapped him and blocked his pass lanes, and swarmed Coby and made him turn over his possessions since they know he can’t pass well in traffic.

Billy let Huerter get cooked alive by Herro in iso for an entire half. Could’ve attacked him with some real aggressive double-team coverage, but no. We had to let him cook, or let Giddey/Vuc get PnR’d to death by some of the most average offensive starters in the NBA. He tried zone at some point but the wheels were already off the bus.

I’m not making this stuff up. Look at the minute report. Matas was the first guy to the bench. Phillips never really got off the bench. Zach for 5 and Jalen for 3 is just comical.

I don’t know what trend he hoped to buck with Patrick, but he got a 0-2, 14 minute, -9 performance out of the dude, instead of just playing Matas more minutes and considering pairing him more with Phillips and Collins. Our strongest, most mobile front-court defenders.

But where I’ll agree, is Miami put on a clinic targeting Josh on defense. Coby and Vuc too, but that’s a given. However, any contract negotiation with Giddey’s hot-streak should start and end with his exposed defense.

And Miami went on to get swept by Cleveland. At least the Bulls can improve via the draft in a better way than being locked into pick 15. If anything the Bulls draft position should have been higher instead of wasting time on the playin. They should be in the 8 spot not 12.

[sco]

AK just said that Billy is absolutely the right coach here. Don't think he's getting fired.

Billy won’t be fired. He’s AK’s guy. Never been in question.

Billy also said before the season that he loved the challenge of rebuilding and developing young talent.

I’d be shocked if Billy doesn’t get 3 more years with this core of Coby Giddey Buz

I look at AK's support of BD right now as a statement that AK feels comfortable keeping his job. Coach firings by underperforming teams are often symptomatic of FO's looking at blame-shifting to stay off the hot seat for another season. BD is clearly a "relationship guy" both with players and the FO. Doesn't make him a good or bad coach, but it keeps the FO from firing him after another mediocre season and it keeps players from quitting on him.

[Am2626]

If the Bulls organization is serious about winning in the future then there needs to be a shake up with the executive leadership as well as a coaching change. If the Bulls are fine with their current directionless efforts then they will continue this downward spiral.

Actually need to start with a new Owner.

[sco]

If the Bulls organization is serious about winning in the future then there needs to be a shake up with the executive leadership as well as a coaching change. If the Bulls are fine with their current directionless efforts then they will continue this downward spiral.

Actually need to start with a new Owner.

Meh, sure, but I am honestly more afraid of the decisions driven by PE firms than I am the Reinsdorfs. AK is the current problem. I'm not a huge Billy fan, but I'd like another season of system continuity to help Matas develop. His ascendence should be job 1.