First Round Matchup Set: Knicks vs Pistons

[3toheadmelo]

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But minutes police said the whole team would be injured at this point in the season????? Now the fake news is saying the complete opposite

I tried saying last year's injuries were an anomaly but they did not want to listen..

A lot of sports medicine physicians said the same thing. But they all ignored it. RealMD strikes again.

[3toheadmelo]

I tried saying last year's injuries were an anomaly but they did not want to listen..

one more layer to this convo. not even on some gotcha troll ****.

OKC and Memphis injury reports been crazy all season. it's once again a much more nuanced conversation than we collectively want to accept.

We all know other teams have injuries but still choose to be insufferable about Thibs

Tatum has been playing with a bum knee and Jaylen Brown played so badly hurt to the point where he has no choice but to play with pain injections for the playoffs. How come Boston fans arent calling to fire mazulla?

Meanwhile we’re completely healthy for the playoffs.

[sol537]

We did upgrade our medical staff…

[Jeff Van Gully]

Not apples to apples comparing last year's team or comparing what Thibs was a decade ago. This year the team nor the coaching staff has showed us any reason to be optimistic against the top tier teams.

funny thing about this point is the roster construction is our key difference from this season and last. same coach. we beat everyone's ass last year and had the league on notice. injuries were the only thing that stopped the train.

not oversimplifying the convo. just saying. it hits different when your center rotation is Hartenstein and mitch. those 48 minutes of excellent thibodeauan big man play were crucial. nice to see OG stepping into some of the randle bully bal role for now.

not picking on KAT. but he just doesn't have it on that end. and i'm not sure what we do about that as constructed.

The only thing that saved KAT was putting a multi time DPOY next to him, which we don’t have unfortunately. Our best hope is hoping Mitch can get back to his previous form to help out KAT, which I think has a slim chance of happening. It’s a tough situation.

i think we have been intentionally preserving mitch for now.

that said, there's never been a point in his career when he's played more than like 28mpg i think. i don't see his minutes getting crazy, but we will get as much out of him at the 5 as we can and i think there will be more KAT at the 4 than we've seen in the regular season. i suspect that was largely because we need mitch NOW... and not in the regular season.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Not apples to apples comparing last year's team or comparing what Thibs was a decade ago. This year the team nor the coaching staff has showed us any reason to be optimistic against the top tier teams.

funny thing about this point is the roster construction is our key difference from this season and last. same coach. we beat everyone's ass last year and had the league on notice. injuries were the only thing that stopped the train.

not oversimplifying the convo. just saying. it hits different when your center rotation is Hartenstein and mitch. those 48 minutes of excellent thibodeauan big man play were crucial. nice to see OG stepping into some of the randle bully bal role for now.

not picking on KAT. but he just doesn't have it on that end. and i'm not sure what we do about that as constructed.

Playing him next to Mitch seems like the answer but that would require Josh going to the bench.

sign me up for that. lol. particularly for the times we need that size. and i LOVE josh.

but also, there are only so many minutes mitch can play even fully healthy.

[Jeff Van Gully]

one more layer to this convo. not even on some gotcha troll ****.

OKC and Memphis injury reports been crazy all season. it's once again a much more nuanced conversation than we collectively want to accept.

We all know other teams have injuries but still choose to be insufferable about Thibs

Tatum has been playing with a bum knee and Jaylen Brown played so badly hurt to the point where he has no choice but to play with pain injections for the playoffs. How come Boston fans arent calling to fire mazulla?

Meanwhile we’re completely healthy for the playoffs.

i been saying forever that mazulla gets glazed and he be doing the same ****. they blow more teams out. but he will go 8-man rotation in any close contest without blinking. them wings will play the huge minutes.

were it not for the many blowouts, their wings mpg would be closer to ours.

[3toheadmelo]

funny thing about this point is the roster construction is our key difference from this season and last. same coach. we beat everyone's ass last year and had the league on notice. injuries were the only thing that stopped the train.

not oversimplifying the convo. just saying. it hits different when your center rotation is Hartenstein and mitch. those 48 minutes of excellent thibodeauan big man play were crucial. nice to see OG stepping into some of the randle bully bal role for now.

not picking on KAT. but he just doesn't have it on that end. and i'm not sure what we do about that as constructed.

The only thing that saved KAT was putting a multi time DPOY next to him, which we don’t have unfortunately. Our best hope is hoping Mitch can get back to his previous form to help out KAT, which I think has a slim chance of happening. It’s a tough situation.

i think we have been intentionally preserving mitch for now.

that said, there's never been a point in his career when he's played more than like 28mpg i think. i don't see his minutes getting crazy, but we will get as much out of him at the 5 as we can and i think there will be more KAT at the 4 than we've seen in the regular season. i suspect that was largely because we need mitch NOW... and not in the regular season.

I hope so. I’m worried that the current version Mitch might not be good enough to save KAT on defense. In the 47 mins they were together on the court, they have a DEF rating of 123.9 which is wild. But interestingly enough, our offensive rating with both of them is 135! Gives us a net rating of +11.31. So we got worse defensively but better on offense lol.

[Wildcat]

one more layer to this convo. not even on some gotcha troll ****.

OKC and Memphis injury reports been crazy all season. it's once again a much more nuanced conversation than we collectively want to accept.

We all know other teams have injuries but still choose to be insufferable about Thibs

Tatum has been playing with a bum knee and Jaylen Brown played so badly hurt to the point where he has no choice but to play with pain injections for the playoffs. How come Boston fans arent calling to fire mazulla?

Meanwhile we’re completely healthy for the playoffs.

I blame Thibs for not developing chemistry with the bench. Deuce had a trashy regular season. And while I blame Deuce for it, Thibs always defaulting to Deuce as the first one off the bench didn't help. Especially a particular stretch where Payne was doing well out there. Bench really needs Hart there. Wish Thibs had the balls to say you're our super 6th man. It also bothered me that when KAT hurt that hand, Thibs threw him back in, and he got wacked on that hand again.

[3toheadmelo]

We all know other teams have injuries but still choose to be insufferable about Thibs

Tatum has been playing with a bum knee and Jaylen Brown played so badly hurt to the point where he has no choice but to play with pain injections for the playoffs. How come Boston fans arent calling to fire mazulla?

Meanwhile we’re completely healthy for the playoffs.

I blame Thibs for not developing chemistry with the bench. Deuce had a trashy regular season. And while I blame Deuce for it, Thibs always defaulting to Deuce as the first one off the bench didn't help. Especially a particular stretch where Payne was doing well out there. Bench really needs Hart there. Wish Thibs had the balls to say you're our super 6th man. It also bothered me that when KAT hurt that hand, Thibs threw him back in, and he got wacked on that hand again.

I think the plan was to make Deuce our new version of IQ and that’s why he always went to him. I guess it didn’t work. On the other end, shamet has looked nice lately.

I want hart benched too. It’s going to be interesting to see if he unleashes the twin towers in the post season.

[MrDollarBills]

funny thing about this point is the roster construction is our key difference from this season and last. same coach. we beat everyone's ass last year and had the league on notice. injuries were the only thing that stopped the train.

not oversimplifying the convo. just saying. it hits different when your center rotation is Hartenstein and mitch. those 48 minutes of excellent thibodeauan big man play were crucial. nice to see OG stepping into some of the randle bully bal role for now.

not picking on KAT. but he just doesn't have it on that end. and i'm not sure what we do about that as constructed.

Playing him next to Mitch seems like the answer but that would require Josh going to the bench.

sign me up for that. lol. particularly for the times we need that size. and i LOVE josh.

but also, there are only so many minutes mitch can play even fully healthy.

That's the problem. Mitch can't give us a full 32 mins.

I like Wright a lot. But trading Sims was a bad move to me. We could use him right now.

[MrDollarBills]

Two things can be true here i think:

1) Thibs was not the reason why Randle got hurt last year and it was asinine to blame him for someone undercutting him while he was elevating.

2) He absolutely was playing Mikal, OG, Josh, and KAT way too many minutes this season and did not give the bench an opportunity to help. It shouldn't have taken Brunson going down for us to learn that Wright and Kolek can contribute positively.

Our 4th quarter metrics have been horrible from what I recall and we all saw guys visibly gassed in multiple contests.

The Minutes Police will stand firm on this position.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Playing him next to Mitch seems like the answer but that would require Josh going to the bench.

sign me up for that. lol. particularly for the times we need that size. and i LOVE josh.

but also, there are only so many minutes mitch can play even fully healthy.

That's the problem. Mitch can't give us a full 32 mins.

I like Wright a lot. But trading Sims was a bad move to me. We could use him right now.

eh, i'm good on that. especially given what wright has shown in his limited run. wouldn't be bad emergency depth.

i know he's a couple inches shorter, but i'd rather lean on precious for a few minutes than sims. didn't hate him but he doesn't quite put it all together. would have loved to see him become more, but he ain't bout **** in milwaukee either. i think folks saw a couple highlights and took it too far.

losing hukporti to that meniscus might sting. i think he'll be ready for a bigger role next year.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Two things can be true here i think:

1) Thibs was not the reason why Randle got hurt last year and it was asinine to blame him for someone undercutting him while he was elevating.

2) He absolutely was playing Mikal, OG, Josh, and KAT way too many minutes this season and did not give the bench an opportunity to help. It shouldn't have taken Brunson going down for us to learn that Wright and Kolek can contribute positively.

Our 4th quarter metrics have been horrible from what I recall and we all saw guys visibly gassed in multiple contests.

The Minutes Police will stand firm on this position.

i'd say the 4th quarter energy is the best point the minutes police have, but unfortunately it's not the loudest talking point.

you might want to have a comstat meeting.

[Jeff Van Gully]

That's the problem. Mitch can't give us a full 32 mins.

forgot to speak to this in my jericho spiel. lol.

so, i hate doing this because this minute outlays never have regard for the fives on the floor. **** be making no sense.

that said, i imagine a rotation where mitch can play 24 minutes at C like always. KAT on the other 24, and 10 or so minutes at PF alongside mitch.

but i'll never again sit here and do one of them minutes breakdowns without a timeline of fives -- as coaches would have to do.

[Gravy]

Two things can be true here i think:

1) Thibs was not the reason why Randle got hurt last year and it was asinine to blame him for someone undercutting him while he was elevating.

2) He absolutely was playing Mikal, OG, Josh, and KAT way too many minutes this season and did not give the bench an opportunity to help. It shouldn't have taken Brunson going down for us to learn that Wright and Kolek can contribute positively.

Our 4th quarter metrics have been horrible from what I recall and we all saw guys visibly gassed in multiple contests.

The Minutes Police will stand firm on this position.

It took Brunson, Deuce and Payne going down at the same time to give the 5th string pg a chance. Kolek and Wright minutes have nothing to do with Mikal OG and KAT, they are not going to be in the rotation. The roster needs legit backups for the starters not rookie g-leaguers

Everybody wants Taylor Jenkens but he's not playing those kids either, I mean thats why he was fired

[Wildcat]

Playing him next to Mitch seems like the answer but that would require Josh going to the bench.

sign me up for that. lol. particularly for the times we need that size. and i LOVE josh.

but also, there are only so many minutes mitch can play even fully healthy.

That's the problem. Mitch can't give us a full 32 mins.

I like Wright a lot. But trading Sims was a bad move to me. We could use him right now.

Hindsight is 20/20. Sims was traded to make way for Hulk, which we all were asking for. Then Sims is traded and Hulk gets hurt a couple of weeks later.

[Wildcat]

Two things can be true here i think:

1) Thibs was not the reason why Randle got hurt last year and it was asinine to blame him for someone undercutting him while he was elevating.

2) He absolutely was playing Mikal, OG, Josh, and KAT way too many minutes this season and did not give the bench an opportunity to help. It shouldn't have taken Brunson going down for us to learn that Wright and Kolek can contribute positively.

Our 4th quarter metrics have been horrible from what I recall and we all saw guys visibly gassed in multiple contests.

The Minutes Police will stand firm on this position.

It took Brunson, Deuce and Payne going down at the same time to give the 5th string pg a chance. Kolek and Wright minutes have nothing to do with Mikal OG and KAT, they are not going to be in the rotation. The roster needs legit backups for the starters not rookie g-leaguers

Everybody wants Taylor Jenkens but he's not playing those kids either, I mean thats why he was fired

I'm not going to pretend I know what's going on in Memphis, but I don't think it had anything to do with playing younger guys.

This is a great article that fills in a lot of the back story.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44480928/no-one-was-same-page-memphis-grizzlies-shocking-firing-taylor-jenkins

[Gravy]

Two things can be true here i think:

1) Thibs was not the reason why Randle got hurt last year and it was asinine to blame him for someone undercutting him while he was elevating.

2) He absolutely was playing Mikal, OG, Josh, and KAT way too many minutes this season and did not give the bench an opportunity to help. It shouldn't have taken Brunson going down for us to learn that Wright and Kolek can contribute positively.

Our 4th quarter metrics have been horrible from what I recall and we all saw guys visibly gassed in multiple contests.

The Minutes Police will stand firm on this position.

It took Brunson, Deuce and Payne going down at the same time to give the 5th string pg a chance. Kolek and Wright minutes have nothing to do with Mikal OG and KAT, they are not going to be in the rotation. The roster needs legit backups for the starters not rookie g-leaguers

Everybody wants Taylor Jenkens but he's not playing those kids either, I mean thats why he was fired

I'm not going to pretend I know what's going on in Memphis, but I don't think it had anything to do with playing younger guys.

This is a great article that fills in a lot of the back story.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44480928/no-one-was-same-page-memphis-grizzlies-shocking-firing-taylor-jenkins

I may have got him confused with Denver's coach who was fired or someone else.

[thebuzzardman]

Playing him next to Mitch seems like the answer but that would require Josh going to the bench.

sign me up for that. lol. particularly for the times we need that size. and i LOVE josh.

but also, there are only so many minutes mitch can play even fully healthy.

That's the problem. Mitch can't give us a full 32 mins.

I like Wright a lot. But trading Sims was a bad move to me. We could use him right now.

Mitch can't play 32 minutes. Both Mitch and Hart have shooting limitations in 5 out (depending on which Hart shows up)

Thibs tends to go with lineups he likes/is working in the 4th quarter, starter or bench not a factor.

So, it's probably more about matchups as the game goes along, where sometimes Thibs seems awful, but other times he actually is fine.

[Wildcat]

It took Brunson, Deuce and Payne going down at the same time to give the 5th string pg a chance. Kolek and Wright minutes have nothing to do with Mikal OG and KAT, they are not going to be in the rotation. The roster needs legit backups for the starters not rookie g-leaguers

Everybody wants Taylor Jenkens but he's not playing those kids either, I mean thats why he was fired

I'm not going to pretend I know what's going on in Memphis, but I don't think it had anything to do with playing younger guys.

This is a great article that fills in a lot of the back story.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44480928/no-one-was-same-page-memphis-grizzlies-shocking-firing-taylor-jenkins

I may have got him confused with Denver's coach who was fired or someone else.

Yeah, that'd be Denver and Malone. Malone and the front office have been at odds with one another for years, though. I'm not even a Denver fan and I'm still questioning the front office's transactions these last couple of years. They're more concern with saving money then being competitive is what I concluded.