Coby's Next Contract

[Chi town]

Coby is a keeper either way, so I hope at worst we sign and trade him and don't just let him walk for free. Although I do prefer we keep him, but I do find it harder for us to every game he plays at this elite level.

In some ways it's better this way. We'll have a whole year to see who is, before needing to sign him. Sure some team could always bid us up, but we'll have bird rights if he stays/becomes (more) elite.

I think he will be a 25M per player when it all said and done. Maybe 30M next summer when the cap jumps again.

[GoBlue72391]

Coby is a very good player but he’s a bit like a rich man’s Ben Gordon. He can carry your team or crater it since he’s streaky and needs the ball in his hands. As currently constructed the Bulls are one star player away from being right in the thick of it. If you’re trading Coby it better be either for a high draft pick or for a disgruntled star who fits the roster that is in need of a change of scenery.

Personally, I’d rather we keep him since his age fits our timeline. I doubt any team is giving him max money so if the Bulls want to keep him in Chicago then I’m sure they could. The question is do they view him as a cornerstone piece moving forward? Giddey and Buzelis are the future of this franchise at the moment. Coby could be a part of that for sure but only at a decent price since we need to upgrade the frontcourt. We need a scoring wing and a rim protector if we are going to eventually return to relevancy.

Man, I like Coby but I don't even know if he's a rich man's Ben Gordon.

Gordon's peak was 21 PPG on 46/41/87 shooting splits on a team that swept the defending champs in an era where defense and physicality was actually a thing. 3PT volume was also much lower back then, if he had the same green light from 3 that Coby does that 21 would be closer to 30.

[RSP83]

Coby is a very good player but he’s a bit like a rich man’s Ben Gordon. He can carry your team or crater it since he’s streaky and needs the ball in his hands. As currently constructed the Bulls are one star player away from being right in the thick of it. If you’re trading Coby it better be either for a high draft pick or for a disgruntled star who fits the roster that is in need of a change of scenery.

Personally, I’d rather we keep him since his age fits our timeline. I doubt any team is giving him max money so if the Bulls want to keep him in Chicago then I’m sure they could. The question is do they view him as a cornerstone piece moving forward? Giddey and Buzelis are the future of this franchise at the moment. Coby could be a part of that for sure but only at a decent price since we need to upgrade the frontcourt. We need a scoring wing and a rim protector if we are going to eventually return to relevancy.

That's how I used to see Coby too. But Gordon's big game player trait was really special and probably the only thing I don't see Coby will ever match. Both Coby and Ben Gordon was a scorer from day 1, but Gordon is also a big-game scorer and he did it at the highest level for a championship UConn team. So, in some way Gordon is the more special player with his unique trait despite Coby being the better overall basketball player.

Anyway we have one more season to determine what Coby is. And we should be listening to offers while doing that. It's important to note, skill wise, Coby is a replaceable player either through draft or free agency.

[WesPeace]

Next bridge contract he can get is only 17.9M per season, 40% increase on current deal. So what he showed again vs Heat, is another clear sign that he might never be true starting reliable SG in league. Yes,he is still young, but I just dont think he will ever be capable of doing that next big step. He is more suitable for 6th man role, especially because of bad defense and lack of versatility. His max contract probably will be around 25M deal in future.

I think Bulls should explore market for Coby this offseason. It wont hurt to keep him and try one more season ,but he shouldnt be counted as primary SG going much forward.

[PJSteven22]

Coby is a very good player but he’s a bit like a rich man’s Ben Gordon. He can carry your team or crater it since he’s streaky and needs the ball in his hands. As currently constructed the Bulls are one star player away from being right in the thick of it. If you’re trading Coby it better be either for a high draft pick or for a disgruntled star who fits the roster that is in need of a change of scenery.

Personally, I’d rather we keep him since his age fits our timeline. I doubt any team is giving him max money so if the Bulls want to keep him in Chicago then I’m sure they could. The question is do they view him as a cornerstone piece moving forward? Giddey and Buzelis are the future of this franchise at the moment. Coby could be a part of that for sure but only at a decent price since we need to upgrade the frontcourt. We need a scoring wing and a rim protector if we are going to eventually return to relevancy.

Man, I like Coby but I don't even know if he's a rich man's Ben Gordon.

Gordon's peak was 21 PPG on 46/41/87 shooting splits on a team that swept the defending champs in an era where defense and physicality was actually a thing. 3PT volume was also much lower back then, if he had the same green light from 3 that Coby does that 21 would be closer to 30.

There was overall less talent in the NBA back then.

[sco]

I'm sure I'll get pushback on this but Coby's turd of a game last night coupled with his last several games of should cause folks to question his strong play in March (mainly against tanking teams). It certainly convinced me that the FO should explore trading him in the offseason. Count me in on deals bringing back 2 1sts. I'm not in the sell at any price place because there is room for continued improvement and we have a full year to really evaluate him before the market sets his price.

It is hard to say who is a SG these days, but I put him around 15th among starting SG's. That's up probably 10 spots from last year, but his defense is still toward the bottom. Also, his 3 ball is still streaky and his ability to score in the paint seems good against bad teams and bad against good teams.

[MGB8]

I'm sure I'll get pushback on this but Coby's turd of a game last night coupled with his last several games of should cause folks to question his strong play in March (mainly against tanking teams). It certainly convinced me that the FO should explore trading him in the offseason. Count me in on deals bringing back 2 1sts. I'm not in the sell at any price place because there is room for continued improvement and we have a full year to really evaluate him before the market sets his price.

It is hard to say who is a SG these days, but I put him around 15th among starting SG's. That's up probably 10 spots from last year, but his defense is still toward the bottom. Also, his 3 ball is still streaky and his ability to score in the paint seems good against bad teams and bad against good teams.

I agree, although I don’t know what a realistic return on Coby would be since other teams would likely be wary of contract issues just like the Bulls might be. Honestly, I think the best course may well be to play a bit of hardball come contract time, and be prepared to let him walk.

What the recent recurrence and reinforcement of the inconsistency and offensive struggles against teams with good interior defense has reinforced to me is that (1) Coby White, while a good NBA player, is more a high end 6th man / lead bench scorer (a la Jordan Clarkson) than lead team scorer, and, relatedly (2) that means that in this draft, if there is a guy who could be a lead scorer from one of the two guard spots (with Giddey playing the 3 or 4 defensively), that has to priority #1. You can get defensive centers and 3&D wings other ways than lead scoring guards.i think a guy like Jace Richardson has to be in consideration, for instance.

[WindyCityBorn]

I'm sure I'll get pushback on this but Coby's turd of a game last night coupled with his last several games of should cause folks to question his strong play in March (mainly against tanking teams). It certainly convinced me that the FO should explore trading him in the offseason. Count me in on deals bringing back 2 1sts. I'm not in the sell at any price place because there is room for continued improvement and we have a full year to really evaluate him before the market sets his price.

It is hard to say who is a SG these days, but I put him around 15th among starting SG's. That's up probably 10 spots from last year, but his defense is still toward the bottom. Also, his 3 ball is still streaky and his ability to score in the paint seems good against bad teams and bad against good teams.

I agree, although I don’t know what a realistic return on Coby would be since other teams would likely be wary of contract issues just like the Bulls might be. Honestly, I think the best course may well be to play a bit of hardball come contract time, and be prepared to let him walk.

What the recent recurrence and reinforcement of the inconsistency and offensive struggles against teams with good interior defense has reinforced to me is that (1) Coby White, while a good NBA player, is more a high end 6th man / lead bench scorer (a la Jordan Clarkson) than lead team scorer, and, relatedly (2) that means that in this draft, if there is a guy who could be a lead scorer from one of the two guard spots (with Giddey playing the 3 or 4 defensively), that has to priority #1. You can get defensive centers and 3&D wings other ways than lead scoring guards.i think a guy like Jace Richardson has to be in consideration, for instance.

I’m not sure I even want him on a “fair” contract. Which would still be $20 million plus. Jase Richardson is worse prospect than Coby was. Undersized and lacks his father’s athleticism.

[WesPeace]

This is from Marks (ESPN) about Coby :

He is eligible to sign a four-year, $89 million extension starting July 10. White will be an unrestricted free agent in 2026 if a new contract is not signed by June 30, 2026.

22M per season wouldnt be bad for starting SG, but I see him more as 6th man role on good team.
AK and Billy love Coby and he could be our primary SG going forward,for next 5 years!

Also I thought he could sign extension with 40% increase, but 22.25M is almost double of 12M

[jnrjr79]

This is from Marks (ESPN) about Coby :

He is eligible to sign a four-year, $89 million extension starting July 10. White will be an unrestricted free agent in 2026 if a new contract is not signed by June 30, 2026.

22M per season wouldnt be bad for starting SG, but I see him more as 6th man role on good team.
AK and Billy love Coby and he could be our primary SG going forward,for next 5 years!

Also I thought he could sign extension with 40% increase, but 22.25M is almost double of 12M

To my understanding the extension is 140% of current salary or of the league average salary (aka the MLE). So he’d be extending at the latter in this scenario.

That said, he’s not going to take that. But I’d happily sign him to it if he would, and I’m sure the Bulls will at least make the cursory offer.

[MGB8]

This is from Marks (ESPN) about Coby :

He is eligible to sign a four-year, $89 million extension starting July 10. White will be an unrestricted free agent in 2026 if a new contract is not signed by June 30, 2026.

22M per season wouldnt be bad for starting SG, but I see him more as 6th man role on good team.
AK and Billy love Coby and he could be our primary SG going forward,for next 5 years!

Also I thought he could sign extension with 40% increase, but 22.25M is almost double of 12M

I would be ok with him at that number. And maybe the Bulls offer him that, but with some set of player / team options that hedge risks on both parties’ ends, like dual player/team options after each year?

[sco]

This is from Marks (ESPN) about Coby :

He is eligible to sign a four-year, $89 million extension starting July 10. White will be an unrestricted free agent in 2026 if a new contract is not signed by June 30, 2026.

22M per season wouldnt be bad for starting SG, but I see him more as 6th man role on good team.
AK and Billy love Coby and he could be our primary SG going forward,for next 5 years!

Also I thought he could sign extension with 40% increase, but 22.25M is almost double of 12M

I would be ok with him at that number. And maybe the Bulls offer him that, but with some set of player / team options that hedge risks on both parties’ ends, like dual player/team options after each year?

Can they put PO's in there? so 4/$80 with a PO after year 2? That sounds like something he might consider.

[WesPeace]

I dont remember anytime before to see player option already in year 2 in a 4yr deal, thats a bit early.
Mostly there is some option on last year OR with team option in year 3 and player option in year 4

[MGB8]

I dont remember anytime before to see player option already in year 2 in a 4yr deal, thats a bit early.
Mostly there is some option on last year OR with team option in year 3 and player option in year 4

Lebron, if I remember right, had the structure of a PO each year.

[kodo]

I dont remember anytime before to see player option already in year 2 in a 4yr deal, thats a bit early.
Mostly there is some option on last year OR with team option in year 3 and player option in year 4

Lebron, if I remember right, had the structure of a PO each year.

It was literally a series of 1+1 (PO) consecutively. It allowed him to take advantage of a rising cap every year.

[kodo]

This is from Marks (ESPN) about Coby :

He is eligible to sign a four-year, $89 million extension starting July 10. White will be an unrestricted free agent in 2026 if a new contract is not signed by June 30, 2026.

22M per season wouldnt be bad for starting SG, but I see him more as 6th man role on good team.
AK and Billy love Coby and he could be our primary SG going forward,for next 5 years!

Also I thought he could sign extension with 40% increase, but 22.25M is almost double of 12M

To my understanding the extension is 140% of current salary or of the league average salary (aka the MLE). So he’d be extending at the latter in this scenario.

That said, he’s not going to take that. But I’d happily sign him to it if he would, and I’m sure the Bulls will at least make the cursory offer.

That's good news the extension can be higher, but I agree he still just goes into FA at $22M.
Terry Rozier and Kyle Kuzma make $24M...and those were old signings not forward looking to the exploding cap.
Tobias Harris just got $25M and he averages 13 ppg with 34% 3P shooting.

[pipfan]

Offer it and see
I like Coby but I would trade him if necessary. Make next year a transition year and keep our options open next summer

[WesPeace]

I dont remember anytime before to see player option already in year 2 in a 4yr deal, thats a bit early.
Mostly there is some option on last year OR with team option in year 3 and player option in year 4

Lebron, if I remember right, had the structure of a PO each year.

It was literally a series of 1+1 (PO) consecutively. It allowed him to take advantage of a rising cap every year.

Yeah,but he had short term contracts, right.. not 4 yrs deal

[Dez]

Just trade him.

[Jcool0]

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