OT: Life Found on Distant Planet

[Raps in 4]

Aka, never.

We actually might never be able to visit this planet.

Our current understanding of physics unequivocally states that faster-than-light travel is impossible.

Light speed travel is technically, theoretically possible, but it leads to other problems (like time dilation).

The only way we'd realistically ever be able to reach this planet (according to modern science) is with generation ships that travel for hundreds/thousands of years. Nobody born on Earth would ever be able to see this planet (unless we discover a way to achieve immortality).

Of course, it could also turn out that our understanding of physics is incomplete (we know it is, just to what degree?) and that there are ways around all of these restrictions. I like to think that's the case because it's super depressing thinking that our species could be stuck in this solar system forever.

Wormholes where we bend space and time is theoretically possible and likely the only way for space travel the way sci fi depicts it.

Wormholes (that allow instantaneous travel from one point in space to another) would still create time paradoxes (according to our current understanding of physics). The same applies to "warp drives". This video explains it well:

Watch on YouTube

Here is another physicist explaining why she thinks FTL travel might actually be possible, but that's definitely a fringe opinion from what I can gather (because it requires our current understanding of the universe to be incorrect/incomplete):

Watch on YouTube

Considering our two leading theories in physics are over a hundred years old (general relativity and quantum mechanics), and we know that they are both incomplete (since we can't reconcile gravity between the two theories), I do think it's totally possible that we'll have new theories of the universe in the future that upend what we think is true today.

[CPT]

Does this planet have the same god, or did this one (1) just sprinkle a lil life over there because mysterious?

[Quattro]

We actually might never be able to visit this planet.

Our current understanding of physics unequivocally states that faster-than-light travel is impossible.

Light speed travel is technically, theoretically possible, but it leads to other problems (like time dilation).

The only way we'd realistically ever be able to reach this planet (according to modern science) is with generation ships that travel for hundreds/thousands of years. Nobody born on Earth would ever be able to see this planet (unless we discover a way to achieve immortality).

Of course, it could also turn out that our understanding of physics is incomplete (we know it is, just to what degree?) and that there are ways around all of these restrictions. I like to think that's the case because it's super depressing thinking that our species could be stuck in this solar system forever.

Wormholes where we bend space and time is theoretically possible and likely the only way for space travel the way sci fi depicts it.

Interestingly enough we might already be there!

https://interestingengineering.com/science/trump-advisor-says-american-can-bend-time

During a major science and technology conference in Texas, the Trump Administration’s top science official claimed that the United States now possesses technology that can “manipulate time and space” and “leave distance annihilated.”

Michael Kratsios, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, made the striking statements on April 14 during his keynote address at the Endless Frontiers Retreat in Austin.

The event brought together government officials, scientists, and business leaders to discuss America’s future in innovation.

Kratsios said the U.S. is entering “the early light of the new Golden Age of America,” calling for a renewed national push into advanced technology.

“Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space,” Kratsios said. “They leave distance annihilated, cause things to grow, and improve productivity.”

I laughed at Trump Administration's "top science official" Probably a friend of Trumps with no science background i would guess.

[DelAbbot]

Giants of K2-18B

[DelAbbot]

On Fermi's Paradox I think it's no paradox at all.

Simple organic life is common in the universe. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it has to be.

Intelligent life like dinosaurs exists in the universe, less common than simple organic life. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it also has to be.

Intelligent life that can communicate outside its solar system, like us, is rare but still exists in the universe, less common than intelligent life like the dinosaurs.

The reason we are not in contact with another intelligent life like ourselves, is we are separated too far to communicate by time and space.

Separated by time: Our existence, being intelligent enough to communicate outside of the solar system, has been only 100 years out of 4.5 billion years of the Earth, and out of a estimate of 13.8 billion years of the universe. It's such a small window in the history of universe, for two such windows to overlap, it's a very small chance. (I'm somewhat assuming Great Filter, i.e. nuclear war wipeout)

Separated by space: Suppose two such windows do overlap, what are the chances they are within reasonable distance from each other? Even within our own Milky way galaxy, 100K LY is impossible to communicate with with foreseeable technology. So even if there is another intelligent life on the other side of the Milk way, we wouldn't be able to talk to them.

Given time and space is one continuum (i.e. human travelling at light speed to overcome separation of space is still separated by time when you return), we are just too separated in this vast universe from another intelligent life like us to communicate.

One thing leaves me in awe is how millions of different types of intelligent life existed on Earth before one came along that could communicate with outside its solar system. If the non-avian dinosaurs-killing asteroid didn't hit Earth, dinosaurs would still rule the Earth and not evolve at all (similar to how crocodiles never evolved) and thus never develop ability to communicate to outside solar system (like we can) - and any subclass intelligent life on earth could not develop as they get eaten by the dinosaurs. I think the evolutionary pressure that pushed our brains to develop would be too extreme if dinosaurs remained in existence - i.e. dinosaurs would have hunted us into extinction well before we have a chance to develop our brains to fight back (also pressured by ice age etc etc)

The chances of another Earth like planet to develop intelligent life like us would take a lot of time (4.5 billion years) and and a lot of luck (just the right climate, and right evolutionary pressure)

[Buff]

How does this change our draft strategy? Tank for Aliens 2050?

[Basketball_Jones]

Are these images and readings live? Like I’ve begun to wonder if we see an image of a planet is it not light years in the past? Man these sci fi movies have me tripping

[S.W.A.N]

So what I'm hearing is our 2030 draft pick is going to be a real alien. Look out Victor.

[mdenny]

Are these images and readings live? Like I’ve begun to wonder if we see an image of a planet is it not light years in the past? Man these sci fi movies have me tripping

Every image our eyes see is from the past. Our eyes are like time machines.

If you see a ball bounce...you are watching it's movement from the past because the light rays that travel from the ball to your eyes take a certain amount of time.

Einstein's thought experiment of the clock and train illustrates this.

Suppose you are standing on the back of a train looking behind it. Suppose there is a clock behind the train. Also Suppose you have infinite vision ie superman eyes.

Now imagine the train speeding away from the clock at the speed of light while you keep looking at.

The second hand of the clock would never move. Because the light rays that travel from the second hand to your eyes are going at the same speed as the train moving away from it. So the second hand of the clock would remain still forever. The light rays that contain the information of the second hand moving will never catch up to your eye.

Our eyes aren't capable of seeing any object moving at the exact same time that the object moves.

The father away we are from an object we can see...the farther back in time we are seeing it. So yes your point is true. All the readings we take from an exo-planet that is 1400 light years away....are 1400 years old.

If that planet hypothetically disappeared or exploded...we wouldn't see it disappear/ecplode until 1400 years later

[NinjaBro]

On Fermi's Paradox I think it's no paradox at all.

Simple organic life is common in the universe. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it has to be.

Intelligent life like dinosaurs exists in the universe, less common than simple organic life. We have yet to discover, but mathematically it also has to be.

Intelligent life that can communicate outside its solar system, like us, is rare but still exists in the universe, less common than intelligent life like the dinosaurs.

The reason we are not in contact with another intelligent life like ourselves, is we are separated too far to communicate by time and space.

Separated by time: Our existence, being intelligent enough to communicate outside of the solar system, has been only 100 years out of 4.5 billion years of the Earth, and out of a estimate of 13.8 billion years of the universe. It's such a small window in the history of universe, for two such windows to overlap, it's a very small chance. (I'm somewhat assuming Great Filter, i.e. nuclear war wipeout)

Separated by space: Suppose two such windows do overlap, what are the chances they are within reasonable distance from each other? Even within our own Milky way galaxy, 100K LY is impossible to communicate with with foreseeable technology. So even if there is another intelligent life on the other side of the Milk way, we wouldn't be able to talk to them.

Given time and space is one continuum (i.e. human travelling at light speed to overcome separation of space is still separated by time when you return), we are just too separated in this vast universe from another intelligent life like us to communicate.

One thing leaves me in awe is how millions of different types of intelligent life existed on Earth before one came along that could communicate with outside its solar system. If the non-avian dinosaurs-killing asteroid didn't hit Earth, dinosaurs would still rule the Earth and not evolve at all (similar to how crocodiles never evolved) and thus never develop ability to communicate to outside solar system (like we can) - and any subclass intelligent life on earth could not develop as they get eaten by the dinosaurs. I think the evolutionary pressure that pushed our brains to develop would be too extreme if dinosaurs remained in existence - i.e. dinosaurs would have hunted us into extinction well before we have a chance to develop our brains to fight back (also pressured by ice age etc etc)

The chances of another Earth like planet to develop intelligent life like us would take a lot of time (4.5 billion years) and and a lot of luck (just the right climate, and right evolutionary pressure)

Who are you and how did you hack into DelAbbot's account?

[Zeno]

Wormholes where we bend space and time is theoretically possible and likely the only way for space travel the way sci fi depicts it.

Interestingly enough we might already be there!

https://interestingengineering.com/science/trump-advisor-says-american-can-bend-time

During a major science and technology conference in Texas, the Trump Administration’s top science official claimed that the United States now possesses technology that can “manipulate time and space” and “leave distance annihilated.”

Michael Kratsios, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, made the striking statements on April 14 during his keynote address at the Endless Frontiers Retreat in Austin.

The event brought together government officials, scientists, and business leaders to discuss America’s future in innovation.

Kratsios said the U.S. is entering “the early light of the new Golden Age of America,” calling for a renewed national push into advanced technology.

“Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space,” Kratsios said. “They leave distance annihilated, cause things to grow, and improve productivity.”

I laughed at Trump Administration's "top science official" Probably a friend of Trumps with no science background i would guess.

You are correct. No surprise that Kratsios’ only post secondary education is a B.A.in political science and that his background is on the finance side of an A.I. company.

[Rapsdaman]

And we'll be long dead before we develop any technology to actually get there lol

Aka, never.

We actually might never be able to visit this planet.

Our current understanding of physics unequivocally states that faster-than-light travel is impossible.

Light speed travel is technically, theoretically possible, but it leads to other problems (like time dilation).

The only way we'd realistically ever be able to reach this planet (according to modern science) is with generation ships that travel for hundreds/thousands of years. Nobody born on Earth would ever be able to see this planet (unless we discover a way to achieve immortality).

Of course, it could also turn out that our understanding of physics is incomplete (we know it is, just to what degree?) and that there are ways around all of these restrictions. I like to think that's the case because it's super depressing thinking that our species could be stuck in this solar system forever.

It would be for the better if we were stuck to this solar system. Would also explain why we haven’t been invaded from an outside species. Another thing that mind blowing but yet so simple because the explanation is literally in the name but light years away, the fact that all these plants are thousands and millions light years away, we watching how the planets appeared millions of years ago today. If we could see the planets in live time, we’d could see developed civilizations. Same concept applies to those same civilizations if they were too look at us on earth, with the distance they probably would be seeing the dinosaurs or live b4 humans. We cant see them, and they cant see us atleast we think they cant

[mihaic]

Aka, never.

We actually might never be able to visit this planet.

Our current understanding of physics unequivocally states that faster-than-light travel is impossible.

Light speed travel is technically, theoretically possible, but it leads to other problems (like time dilation).

The only way we'd realistically ever be able to reach this planet (according to modern science) is with generation ships that travel for hundreds/thousands of years. Nobody born on Earth would ever be able to see this planet (unless we discover a way to achieve immortality).

Of course, it could also turn out that our understanding of physics is incomplete (we know it is, just to what degree?) and that there are ways around all of these restrictions. I like to think that's the case because it's super depressing thinking that our species could be stuck in this solar system forever.

It would be for the better if we were stuck to this solar system. Would also explain why we haven’t been invaded from an outside species. Another thing that mind blowing but yet so simple because the explanation is literally in the name but light years away, the fact that all these plants are thousands and millions light years away, we watching how the planets appeared millions of years ago today. If we could see the planets in live time, we’d could see developed civilizations. Same concept applies to those same civilizations if they were too look at us on earth, with the distance they probably would be seeing the dinosaurs or live b4 humans. We cant see them, and they cant see us atleast we think they cant

We'd easily be the invaders if we could. Look now (USA, Russia, China), in the more distant past (Spain, England, French, Ottoman Empire), etc.

Our leaders want always more power and more territory.

[DG88]

Not signs of life but compounds in the atmosphere that is usually made by microbiol life on Earth.

[grimlock]

They think it's a probability of 99.7% that a planet 127 light years away contains an abundance of gas, associated on earth with marine algae.

Not sure what method they use to make the 99.7% claim.

And we'll be long dead before we develop any technology to actually get there lol

Aka, never.

We already have it.

[C_Money]

There’s life all over the universe. It would be the largest fluke of all time if somehow it was just Earth. There’s basically an infinite amount of planets out there.

[FOB]

Cool discussion here, but can we change the thread title please? It's just flat out wrong.

[ontnut]

Looks like we've found a new spot for Basketball Without Borders.

Masai won't be at the lottery, he's busy scouting on K2-18b.

[Westside Gunn]

theyve been finding a lot of ****.

i just skip the regular season and watch the playoffs, that is when they launch that first space shuttle with the first 300 people (most likely millionaires) looking to move to that distant planet.

[Airmiess]

Theres aliens right here on earth, some of them you might know personally... lets get that out of the way first so society can move forward.