2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West First Round: #4 Denver Nuggets vs #5 LA Clippers (DEN leads 1-0)

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Who wins?

Poll ended at Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:15 pm

Nuggets in 4
5
2%
Nuggets in 5
11
4%
Nuggets in 6
56
20%
Nuggets in 7
55
20%
Clippers in 4
2
1%
Clippers in 5
10
4%
Clippers in 6
107
39%
Clippers in 7
31
11%
 
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Re: 2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West First Round: #4 Denver Nuggets vs #5 LA Clippers 

Post#281 » by BelgradeNugget » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:07 pm

OkcSinceSGA wrote:I think people are sleeping most on Harden. This is not the guy of the last 3-4 years. He’s #1 in the NBA in isolation efficiency this year. He’s hitting the floater at elite levels. Denver will be very focused on Kawhi.

Harden is going to have a lot of opportunity to take over games. Especially running Zu pnr down Denver’s throat with DJ and Batum etc cutting for lobs.

This game was the game that started the Clippers surge the last 20 something games. Second night of B2B No Kawhi, DJ or Powell and Harden did this. He bullied the hell out of Cunningham. And people expect Braun to stop him?



Nuggets also have a second option that can score 50, on little better overal efficiency



No Jokic in this game, he was guarded by Amen Thompson or Dillon Brooks



Or vs OKC's defense



There are a lot of great players in this series. When Nuggets fans mention Braun as potential problem it is due to the fact he is the best transition scorrer in the NBA. He will be guarding Harden, won't stop him, there is no way to stop great players, but Harden will be responsible for not letting Braun leak-out in transition, which is no easy task.
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Post#282 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:10 pm

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OkcSinceSGA wrote:I think people are sleeping most on Harden. This is not the guy of the last 3-4 years. He’s #1 in the NBA in isolation efficiency this year. He’s hitting the floater at elite levels. Denver will be very focused on Kawhi.

Harden is going to have a lot of opportunity to take over games. Especially running Zu pnr down Denver’s throat with DJ and Batum etc cutting for lobs.

This game was the game that started the Clippers surge the last 20 something games. Second night of B2B No Kawhi, DJ or Powell and Harden did this. He bullied the hell out of Cunningham. And people expect Braun to stop him?



Nuggets also have a second option that can score 50, on little better overal efficiency



No Jokic in this game, he was guarded by Amen Thompson or Dillon Brooks



Or vs OKC's defense



There are a lot of great players in this series. When Nuggets fans mention Braun as potential problem it is due to the fact he is the best transition scorrer in the NBA. He will be guarding Harden, won't stop him, there is no way to stop great players, but Harden will be responsible for not letting Braun leak-out in transition, which is no easy task.


Well... nobody doubts Jamal has been a star though, and many consider him a legendary playoff performer. My post was more attributed to people completely out on Harden, or underrating what he's done this year. Or talking about Braun locking him up etc. Braun is a good defender, but we need to be careful not to talk about good young players as if they are peak Kawhi or something defensively.
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Post#283 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:17 pm

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Lue is right. No live ball turnovers, no leak out 3s in transition.

The only more important thing is Zu not being in foul trouble. He needs 35-40 mpg.

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Post#284 » by BelgradeNugget » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:25 pm

OkcSinceSGA wrote:Well... nobody doubts Jamal has been a star though, and many consider him a legendary playoff performer. My post was more attributed to people completely out on Harden, or underrating what he's done this year. Or talking about Braun locking him up etc. Braun is a good defender, but we need to be careful not to talk about good young players as if they are peak Kawhi or something defensively.

Yes, I never tought you doubted quality of Nuggets team in any of your post. Just pointing to abaundance of riches Clippers have. I'm too just trying to highlight qualities of my team. Anyway the more I think about this series the more I think these two teams are only teams able to chelange OKC in the west.
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Post#285 » by BelgradeNugget » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:35 pm

OkcSinceSGA wrote:Harden is going to have a lot of opportunity to take over games. Especially running Zu pnr down Denver’s throat with DJ and Batum etc cutting for lobs.


This is the thing that can couse the most problems to Nuggets defense. And not in a way pnr's are traditionaly played. Teams can bring help to lobs, but when center has automathic floater it is pretty much ungardable. And the best floater shooters at center are Jok and Zu.
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Post#286 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:46 pm

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Jedi32 wrote:Yes he can. Jokic is not in kawhi's league defensively, especially if kawhi is healthy and locked in.


And Kawhi is not in Jokic's league in playmaking or scoring...

Play making I can agree, scoring gap is not that big to me.


Scoring gap definitely isn't there. Especially not come playoff time. The last few Kawhi playoff showings in 2023, 2021, 2020 and 2019 (2019 was legendary but in the couple games pre injury in 2021 and 2023 he looked ready to steamroll and was the most dominant player of the playoffs the first couple games). he's basically a 30+ ppg scorer on 63% TS or something with 50/40/90 type splits. It's basically playmaking vs defense and again.. in a series of 4-7 games.. I have no doubt Kawhi can outplay him. It's UNLIKELY, but to suggest it can't happen is odd to me.
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Post#287 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:48 pm

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OkcSinceSGA wrote:Harden is going to have a lot of opportunity to take over games. Especially running Zu pnr down Denver’s throat with DJ and Batum etc cutting for lobs.


This is the thing that can couse the most problems to Nuggets defense. And not in a way pnr's are traditionaly played. Teams can bring help to lobs, but when center has automathic floater it is pretty much ungardable. And the best floater shooters at center are Jok and Zu.


Yea. The Clippers go to PNR play has been Zu slipping the screen for the hook or floater as you said, and when teams send two guys at Zu, DJ cuts for the lob. You can run that play with Batum, Dunn, Powell also just more for layups lol. Similar to guarding Jokic that play is very much a pick your poison scenario. Like when Jokic pulls Zu out of the paint, the Clippers have to decide do they want to give Jokic 3s at the top of the key, or trap him and force the skip pass. Both teams have pick your poison options of course.

Personally if I'm the Clips... I'd let Jokic go for 40 every game (because you can't stop it really anyway), try to be physical with him 1 on 1 with Zu when possible to wear him down some.. and focus the entire defense on shutting down his shooters and role players. If Jokic puts up 40/15/10 all series, but you lock down Murray/MPJ/Gordon/Braun.. they are in big trouble.

The Clippers have proven they can win without Kawhi. Denver hasn't shown they can win with Murray or Jokic playing bad or not playing. Clips should welcome a grind out series. So even if the Nuggets trap Kawhi all series and force the ball out of his hands, Harden, Zu, Powell etc have to be ready.
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Post#288 » by Wolfgang630 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:58 pm

Joker should try to get Zubac into foul trouble.
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Post#289 » by LakersSoul » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:46 pm

Wolfgang630 wrote:Joker should try to get Zubac into foul trouble.


Think that would be smart to remove one weapon and since Clippers don’t have depth at center.

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Post#290 » by PeteyPablo » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:00 pm

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Wolfgang630 wrote:Joker should try to get Zubac into foul trouble.


Think that would be smart to remove one weapon and since Clippers don’t have depth at center.



Clippers big man depth chart

Ivica Zubac 7'0'' 240lbs

Drew Eubanks 6'10'' 245lbs

Ben Simmons 6'10'' 240lbs

Nic Batum 6'8'' 230lbs
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Post#291 » by ejftw » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:38 pm

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Wolfgang630 wrote:Joker should try to get Zubac into foul trouble.


Think that would be smart to remove one weapon and since Clippers don’t have depth at center.


True, behind Zu, you have Eubanks and then a frail Simmons. Don't see the former playing much, if at all, and well, when Simmons is in, I see the Clips playing a bit more up and down on offense, while, defensively, with Flight55 and Dunn out there, focusing on a full crash of the boards on defense.
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Post#292 » by SpurNani » Fri Apr 18, 2025 12:24 am

Jedi32 wrote:
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Jedi32 wrote:Yes he can. Jokic is not in kawhi's league defensively, especially if kawhi is healthy and locked in.


And Kawhi is not in Jokic's league in playmaking or scoring...

Play making I can agree, scoring gap is not that big to me.


Agreed. I can envision a series where they both are averaging 30-32 ppg

I also have more faith in Zubac and Clippers team defense to make Jokic work harder for his 30 than i do for Aaron Gordon and Nuggets bad defense vs Kawhi.
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Post#293 » by OkcSinceSGA » Fri Apr 18, 2025 2:34 am

ejftw wrote:
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Wolfgang630 wrote:Joker should try to get Zubac into foul trouble.


Think that would be smart to remove one weapon and since Clippers don’t have depth at center.


True, behind Zu, you have Eubanks and then a frail Simmons. Don't see the former playing much, if at all, and well, when Simmons is in, I see the Clips playing a bit more up and down on offense, while, defensively, with Flight55 and Dunn out there, focusing on a full crash of the boards on defense.


Na. Batum is the backup 5 this series IMO. He will guard Jokic more than Simmons. But the general idea is true that Zu in foul trouble is a killer. It happened in previous years, then Jokic just had a wide open court and murdered them basically.
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Post#294 » by CodeBreaker » Fri Apr 18, 2025 5:19 am

The thing is, even with Kawhi playing bad, the Clippers can still beat you with Harden carrying the load.

If Murray plays bad, the Nuggets are so beatable, let alone Jokic playing bad (which rarely happens).
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Post#295 » by Statlanta » Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:20 am

The series is who will choke more, Harden or Westbrook. Harden has been better but has a bigger load(and thus more leeway) to screw up. Westbrook has less chances to screw up but is more volatile.
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Post#296 » by Mrakar » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:16 am

This will be my official breakdown, keys to the series and predictions.

Nuggets
Murray/Braun/Porter Jr./Gordon/Jokic
Westbrook/Pickett/Strawther/Watson/Jordan(Naji)

Clippers
Harden/Dunn/Powell/Leonard/Zubac
Bogdanovic/Coffey/Jones Jr./Batum/Simmons(Eubanks).


key matchups of the series:

Injuries: Murray(calf/hamstring), Gordon(calf), Leonard(knee), others?
Ofc injuries are always big part of every series, but here it is probably most likley to happen since there are 3 players with lingering injuries. Murray has calf/hamstring problems since championship run, Gordon has been hobbled whole year and didnt look near as explosive as he was. What to say about Kawhi, we were in situations when we are waiting for him to start, just to get a message he is not playing at all. I have to say he looks the best out of 3 in the momment but that can of course change in a second.

Zubac/Jokic faceoff:
We all know there is no stopping Jokic, but the question is, is the Zubac really the best guy to throw at Jokic in whole NBA? He is strong, he is smart, he rebounds well. How much can he really slow down Jokic? If they decide to let him play 1v1 and he gets Jokic to around 58-60 TS% i think its a win for Clippers since the other guys outside of Murray are not making it happen if they are not wide open. Ofc i still think Lue will send double teams of guys like Braun/Westbrook/Watson, but Zubac allows him to not do it all the time. For me more of the question is if Jokic can put him into foul trouble. Jokic usually doesnt get enough calls but i think if he flops a bit he could get it against Zu since he is also big guy and refs see it different then when smaller guys slapp or push him. Is this a Jokic flopper series? For the Nuggets sake i hope it is.

Leonard/Gordon faceoff:
Kawhi Leonard is a guy who, when healthy, is going to do his stuff. Be efficient, get to his spots, bully other guys, just simple be Kawhi Leonard. In this series he is facing probably a guy who is (also if healthy) best suited to guard Kawhi. Kawhi is not fast, but he is abnormaly strong for his size. Gordon can keep up with him but he is also strong as hell and i think he can give him some problems, in the same way Zu can give Jokic problems, not stop him, not slow him down, just bother him enough to be a little bit less efficient then usually. Kawhi is not the guy that hunts switches(or better to say get the switches) a lot, that is why i think we will see this matchup a lot. On the other side, biggest question is ofc if Gordon can hit his shots. He is having best shooting year of his career but is in shooting slump recently. His 3pt shot will be one of the colossal questions of the series.

Harden/Powell vs switches:
We can talk about Harden-Braun or Powell-Braun/Murray matchup but those 2 guys are excellent at hunting their preferred matchups, especially Harden. Can Murray and Porter Jr. stay alive on defense against those guys, and can Jokic avoid being pulled to 3pt line by Harden? Nuggets defense will have to be creative here, and i think Watson will have to play a lot in this series since he is only guy on the Nuggets that navigates around screens successfully. I know Adelman will try Westbrook a lot on those 2 guys(i will write about that later). Porter Jr. is huge, but Harden is to crafy and to fast for him, so that will be disaster for the Nuggets if they allow it to happen. Question is if Porter can at least bother Powell in this matchup since he will probably be on him to start. I really fear for the Nuggets on defense vs Harden/Powell and that is Clippers main advantage in this series.

Murray vs drop:
Zubac plays a lot in the drop by design. Question is if Murray can take advantage of that. Dunn is with Amen Thompson best guy in the NBA to navigate trough screens which will be a problem for not so fast, and potentialy hobbled Murray. Can he get enough seperation to get to the midrange, and can he hit his 3s of the dribble in case Dunn(or Jones jr.) sometimes goes under? In the whole series i think this is the biggets swing factor. If Murray cant be a 25ppg scorrer on solid efficiency, Nuggets are in big trouble.

Westbrook conundrum:
This guy really grinds my gears. He could be such a valuable asset for any team, if he would just dial down on some things. However we know he will not. Nuggets need him on defense in this series. He could be really valuable on Harden and Powell even though he is not great defender. Nuggets just dont have better options. Braun/Watson/Westbrook are their 3 guys to throw at those 2 in this series, and if Westbrook is so bad on offense that he cant be played, its a problem for the Nuggets. I think they need him 10-15 minutes a game, and during that time he needs to limit his braindead plays, especially turnovers and those bank shots. Clippers have a great coach and they know Westbrook, they will let him do whatever he wants since they know that is not efficient enough for playoff basketball. Can Westbrook be smart about it and tone it down, focus on defense?

other stuff:
I didnt focus other stuff, because i think they are less relevant in this series. Clippers have huge bench advantage. Porter Jr. has size advantage on whoever is guarding him but he cant use that since he cant create for himself. Clippers have coaching advantage, even though Lue can be a bit slow to start the series. However he is one of the best coaches in adjusting during the series. Adelman is new coach, and even though he gets praises all around the NBA, being first time HC in toss-up series is hard.


Nuggets keys to the win
:
- Limit turnovers - they can be loose with the ball and that cant happen in this series
- hit open 3s - there will be a lot of them for Braun, Gordon and Watson especially
- Murray - this is his series, he needs to get advantage of his matchups. If they win, next series is not for him, OKC will kill him, but this has to be his series


Clippers keys to the win:
- limit Murray - Jokic will get his, rest of the guys outside of Murray are not serious threats. Can they stop Murray?
- hunting weaknesses - Nuggets have a lot of defenders to exploit. Harden and Powell have to be efficient in getting their stuff
- late game excecution - they had troubles in the past, and we know how good were the Nuggets in the clutch over last few years. Can Kawhi get to his spots, is this finally Hardens breaktrough series?


Predictions:
Nuggets have best player, not only in the series but in the world. However his supporting cast had his ups and downs over the years and we saw how it looked when they are up(2023) and when they are down 2024/2025. Home court is an advantage always but especially in the altitude that is why i think if it goes to 7, Nuggets should have it. However i think i will end earlier. Im picking Clippers in 6, mostly because of favourable matchups across the board, far deeper bench and more expirienced coach. I was rooting for the Nuggets whole season, but i just saw too much problems on both sides of the floor, from lack of shooting to atrocious decision making by some players on the offense, or slow feet and not giving everything on every posessions on the defensive end. Of course my predicion is based on the fact that everyone stays healthy. I hope it will be like that and we have a great series. Let the better team win!
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Post#297 » by Big_Aristotle » Fri Apr 18, 2025 12:50 pm

I have no idea here, but the basketball junkie in me looks forward to watch all games in this matchup. Eager to see amazing and competitive basketball.
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Post#298 » by _NoMas » Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:41 pm

LAC has elite defenders at the guard (Dunn), wing (DJJ, Kawhi) and big man (Zu, Batum, Simmons) positions, as well as elite playnaking/shooting/scoring and depth. And yet Denver has Jokic and I just think that’ll be enough. Denver in 6.
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Post#299 » by LakersSoul » Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:04 pm

_NoMas wrote:LAC has elite defenders at the guard (Dunn), wing (DJJ, Kawhi) and big man (Zu, Batum, Simmons) positions, as well as elite playnaking/shooting/scoring and depth. And yet Denver has Jokic and I just think that’ll be enough. Denver in 6.


Think you throw around the word elite too easily.

What the Clippers have is a big man but not sure if he can stop Joker. Not sure if Zubac can push around Joker for rebound and scoring.

What the Clippers have is a healthy Kawhi. Can AG stop him? I saw AG play inspired defense against Bron but Kawhi is a bit quicker attacking and shot release. This will be the key!

The other Q: will playoff Harden show???

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Re: 2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West First Round: #4 Denver Nuggets vs #5 LA Clippers 

Post#300 » by Wolfgang630 » Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:19 pm

AG needs to play the best defense of his life against Kawhi because Kawhi looks like his old self again.

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