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Re: PG: Raptors finish the 2024/2025 season with a 30-52 record! 

Post#81 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:52 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:Media has not liked Scottie really ever. I do wonder why that is but it has been years of it now.

I for one find it hard to believe the media would just decide to dislike a player for no reason. I really do wonder what happened / what happens for them to feel this way

The Toronto media has actually been semi-open about why. Masai choosing the Scottie timeline over the Pascal timeline is what they believe brought about the end of the We The North era. If you asked every Toronto media member if they would have traded Scottie and salary filler for KD to extend the Pascal timeline back in the 2022 offseason (and from their POV the We The North era), they all would have said yes.


The media was also losing their locker room sources, Fred, Nick, and Pascal.

Scottie doesn't like to cause turmoil, which Is what the media craves.
He was obviously the guy to build around, that was clear, early in his rookie year (at least to me, and a few others).

Picking this timeline is way better, but it requires something most people don't have, patience. Eventually people are going to say "I saw this all along."


Our media guys would trade our current situation for Phoenix's in a heartbeat. Their understanding of the sport they write about is non-existant.
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Re: PG: Raptors finish the 2024/2025 season with a 30-52 record! 

Post#82 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:49 pm

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HangTime wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:The Toronto media has actually been semi-open about why. Masai choosing the Scottie timeline over the Pascal timeline is what they believe brought about the end of the We The North era. If you asked every Toronto media member if they would have traded Scottie and salary filler for KD to extend the Pascal timeline back in the 2022 offseason (and from their POV the We The North era), they all would have said yes.


The media was also losing their locker room sources, Fred, Nick, and Pascal.

Scottie doesn't like to cause turmoil, which Is what the media craves.
He was obviously the guy to build around, that was clear, early in his rookie year (at least to me, and a few others).

Picking this timeline is way better, but it requires something most people don't have, patience. Eventually people are going to say "I saw this all along."


Our media guys would trade our current situation for Phoenix's in a heartbeat. Their understanding of the sport they write about is non-existant.

The boogeymen you guys' create in your head is wild :lol:
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Re: PG: Raptors finish the 2024/2025 season with a 30-52 record! 

Post#83 » by DelAbbot » Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:23 pm

NinjaBro wrote:What are we going to complain about now that the season is over?
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Post#84 » by artsncrafts » Thu Apr 17, 2025 1:59 pm

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Re: PG: Raptors finish the 2024/2025 season with a 30-52 record! 

Post#85 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:57 pm

Nature wrote:Been a die hard since 2003 and this was a top 3 most unwatchable seasons for me.


Been a die hard since '03 as well and there were definitely at least 3 seasons more unbearable than this season.
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Re: PG: Raptors finish the 2024/2025 season with a 30-52 record! 

Post#86 » by tsherkin » Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:49 pm

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Nature wrote:Been a die hard since 2003 and this was a top 3 most unwatchable seasons for me.


Been a die hard since '03 as well and there were definitely at least 3 seasons more unbearable than this season.


Yeah. Have to agree that we've had more unbearable seasons, for sure.

I found 03-04 a lot worse to watch than this. I was frustrated this season, but that happens any time you're losing this much. WATCHING the games wasn't quite that awful, though. Watching that KO team, and Jalen Rose and Michael Curry? That was bloody awful. 2012 sucked. 2011 was worse than this year. 02-03 was pretty crap, too.
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Re: PG: Raptors finish the 2024/2025 season with a 30-52 record! 

Post#87 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:01 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
Nature wrote:Been a die hard since 2003 and this was a top 3 most unwatchable seasons for me.


Been a die hard since '03 as well and there were definitely at least 3 seasons more unbearable than this season.

Tampa Bay season, and last year, were easily worse to watch.

I would say the post-Bosh pre-we the north years were worse to. Could argue the 41-41 season a few years back was worse to.
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Shead-heads unite! 

Post#88 » by LiSTWithLani » Fri Apr 18, 2025 3:40 pm

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aminiaturebuddha wrote:
mdenny wrote:

This is a really great back-and-forth between the two of you and I'll just insert my two cents:
The fact that we're talking about the 45th pick in the draft is wonderful. Nobody seems upset about talking about him in the same breath as either Fred or Kyle, a testament to what he was able to accomplish this year. Obviously, that isn't to say that he's on their level, but he is a certified pro that seemingly has a long career ahead of him.
Both of them had much better shooting than Shead, Fred from day one and Kyle during his time with us, not necessarily in Houston.

If Shead can improve his shooting, it will open up a lot for him offensively.
To add to the convo, we didn't see much of Quickley, but he absolutely has some place in this discussion. In years past, we rolled out the two PG lineup and that proved fruitful in many instances.

The not-so-shocking issue with this roster is the redundancy of undersized swings. I get that we want to have some specific skills, but we painfully need more size and the draft is unlikely to result in balancing us out in that respect.

Shead/ Quickley/ A.J. Lawson/ J'K Walter/ Agbaji/ Dick/ Battle/ Barrett/ Rhoden/ Ingram/ Mogbo/ Barnes/Boucher/ Castleton/ Robinson Chomche/ Poeltl

The bolded guys will certainly get getting minutes next year and we're likely to draft another plus-sized guard in the lottery this year... I don't envy Bobby/ Masai's jobs right now.
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Re: PG: Raptors finish the 2024/2025 season with a 30-52 record! 

Post#89 » by wegotthabeet » Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:17 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
Nature wrote:Been a die hard since 2003 and this was a top 3 most unwatchable seasons for me.


Been a die hard since '03 as well and there were definitely at least 3 seasons more unbearable than this season.


Try the previous three seasons.

The Fred + Pascal era was probably the worst to watch. Hero ball from antiheroes.
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Re: Shead-heads unite! 

Post#90 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:44 pm

LiSTWithLani wrote:
mdenny wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:

This is a really great back-and-forth between the two of you and I'll just insert my two cents:
The fact that we're talking about the 45th pick in the draft is wonderful. Nobody seems upset about talking about him in the same breath as either Fred or Kyle, a testament to what he was able to accomplish this year. Obviously, that isn't to say that he's on their level, but he is a certified pro that seemingly has a long career ahead of him.
Both of them had much better shooting than Shead, Fred from day one and Kyle during his time with us, not necessarily in Houston.

If Shead can improve his shooting, it will open up a lot for him offensively.
To add to the convo, we didn't see much of Quickley, but he absolutely has some place in this discussion. In years past, we rolled out the two PG lineup and that proved fruitful in many instances.

The not-so-shocking issue with this roster is the redundancy of undersized swings. I get that we want to have some specific skills, but we painfully need more size and the draft is unlikely to result in balancing us out in that respect.

Shead/ Quickley/ A.J. Lawson/ J'K Walter/ Agbaji/ Dick/ Battle/ Barrett/ Rhoden/ Ingram/ Mogbo/ Barnes/Boucher/ Castleton/ Robinson Chomche/ Poeltl

The bolded guys will certainly get getting minutes next year and we're likely to draft another plus-sized guard in the lottery this year... I don't envy Bobby/ Masai's jobs right now.

I would be shocked if we go into 2025/26 with all of RJ/Agbaji/Dick/Walter and our 2025 1st. Something has to give
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Re: Shead-heads unite! 

Post#91 » by mdenny » Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:34 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
LiSTWithLani wrote:
mdenny wrote:

This is a really great back-and-forth between the two of you and I'll just insert my two cents:
The fact that we're talking about the 45th pick in the draft is wonderful. Nobody seems upset about talking about him in the same breath as either Fred or Kyle, a testament to what he was able to accomplish this year. Obviously, that isn't to say that he's on their level, but he is a certified pro that seemingly has a long career ahead of him.
Both of them had much better shooting than Shead, Fred from day one and Kyle during his time with us, not necessarily in Houston.

If Shead can improve his shooting, it will open up a lot for him offensively.
To add to the convo, we didn't see much of Quickley, but he absolutely has some place in this discussion. In years past, we rolled out the two PG lineup and that proved fruitful in many instances.

The not-so-shocking issue with this roster is the redundancy of undersized swings. I get that we want to have some specific skills, but we painfully need more size and the draft is unlikely to result in balancing us out in that respect.

Shead/ Quickley/ A.J. Lawson/ J'K Walter/ Agbaji/ Dick/ Battle/ Barrett/ Rhoden/ Ingram/ Mogbo/ Barnes/Boucher/ Castleton/ Robinson Chomche/ Poeltl

The bolded guys will certainly get getting minutes next year and we're likely to draft another plus-sized guard in the lottery this year... I don't envy Bobby/ Masai's jobs right now.

I would be shocked if we go into 2025/26 with all of RJ/Agbaji/Dick/Walter and our 2025 1st. Something has to give


I agree that something has to give....but I think we're definitely starting the season this way. My guess is that they want to see who flourishes once Ingram is inserted into the starting lineup. I more expect a consolidation trade sometime after Xmas/before the deadline.

But if, for whatever reason, the chemistry hits right and we are top 4 in the East come Xmas time....they also have the option of sitting tight.
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Re: PG: Raptors finish the 2024/2025 season with a 30-52 record! 

Post#92 » by mdenny » Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:48 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
WetLikeWater wrote:Did anyone catch this? Reports have been gossiping about how Scottie's condition worsened and how Mogbo was a poor selection.


Media has not liked Scottie really ever. I do wonder why that is but it has been years of it now.

I for one find it hard to believe the media would just decide to dislike a player for no reason. I really do wonder what happened / what happens for them to feel this way


I've been saying that these murmers have been going on for 3 years now. You pick up on all this off the record stuff if you work in raptors media.

The perception is that scotty is immature and kinda bratty. Also he's been spoiled by the franchise to some degree. There's a clear campaign to talk into existence his leadership abilities and stuff like that. Behind the scenes it's alot of eye-rolling.

They were saying here near the hot mic "at least in his first year he was happy".

Anyways I heard about this hot mic at work and wasn't sure if it went public.

The perceptions amongst the fanbase about scotty HAVE been weirdly delusional. the scotty hardcores literally threw EVERYONE under the bus in clinging to a fictional narrative about him. And then when a reporter or journalist does not re-enforce the fictional narrative...they are accused of all sorts of stuff. So the media kinda senses that it will all eventually come out in the wash.

My guess is that next year scotty will continue to grow up a bit and this stuff will gradually fade away. But there is a possibility that it completely blows up next season. The ingredients are there for a big crisis and a big revealing. But my guess is that it'll go the other way. Rj and IQ are really close. If it goes in the blowup direction....I could see one of them call him out. And if that happens....there could be a flood of negative media reporting that follows it. (Negative about scotty)

There were times last season and the season before where I'd come after doing a raps game and read this board and be astonished how different a reality people are perceiving compared to the murmers around the team/media.

I can't repeat things said off the record or attribute them to anyone specific. But ppl were also making fun of him for thanking his teammates in this presser. It sounded like someone who had just won mvp or something. It's just kinda strange that he thanked all his teammates when the season was over. As if to suggest he had achieved a big accomplishment this year or something like that.

I didn't see the presser...I just heard some ppl talk about the hot mic and then talk about how he's being propped up....always been treated with kid gloves. Has no reason to resent the media. Etc etc.
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Re: PG: Raptors finish the 2024/2025 season with a 30-52 record! 

Post#93 » by Tripod » Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:14 am

Fred's biggest fan ripping Barnes.

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Post#94 » by Dennis 37 » Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:41 am

Jerry Lucas wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
WetLikeWater wrote:Did anyone catch this? Reports have been gossiping about how Scottie's condition worsened and how Mogbo was a poor selection.


Media has not liked Scottie really ever. I do wonder why that is but it has been years of it now.

I for one find it hard to believe the media would just decide to dislike a player for no reason. I really do wonder what happened / what happens for them to feel this way

The Toronto media has actually been semi-open about why. Masai choosing the Scottie timeline over the Pascal timeline is what they believe brought about the end of the We The North era. If you asked every Toronto media member if they would have traded Scottie and salary filler for KD to extend the Pascal timeline back in the 2022 offseason (and from their POV the We The North era), they all would have said yes.


So they dump on Scottie because of a Masai decision. That's just immature.
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Re: PG: Raptors finish the 2024/2025 season with a 30-52 record! 

Post#95 » by djsunyc » Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:57 am

mdenny wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
WetLikeWater wrote:Did anyone catch this? Reports have been gossiping about how Scottie's condition worsened and how Mogbo was a poor selection.


Media has not liked Scottie really ever. I do wonder why that is but it has been years of it now.

I for one find it hard to believe the media would just decide to dislike a player for no reason. I really do wonder what happened / what happens for them to feel this way


I've been saying that these murmers have been going on for 3 years now. You pick up on all this off the record stuff if you work in raptors media.

The perception is that scotty is immature and kinda bratty. Also he's been spoiled by the franchise to some degree. There's a clear campaign to talk into existence his leadership abilities and stuff like that. Behind the scenes it's alot of eye-rolling.

They were saying here near the hot mic "at least in his first year he was happy".

Anyways I heard about this hot mic at work and wasn't sure if it went public.

The perceptions amongst the fanbase about scotty HAVE been weirdly delusional. the scotty hardcores literally threw EVERYONE under the bus in clinging to a fictional narrative about him. And then when a reporter or journalist does not re-enforce the fictional narrative...they are accused of all sorts of stuff. So the media kinda senses that it will all eventually come out in the wash.

My guess is that next year scotty will continue to grow up a bit and this stuff will gradually fade away. But there is a possibility that it completely blows up next season. The ingredients are there for a big crisis and a big revealing. But my guess is that it'll go the other way. Rj and IQ are really close. If it goes in the blowup direction....I could see one of them call him out. And if that happens....there could be a flood of negative media reporting that follows it. (Negative about scotty)

There were times last season and the season before where I'd come after doing a raps game and read this board and be astonished how different a reality people are perceiving compared to the murmers around the team/media.

I can't repeat things said off the record or attribute them to anyone specific. But ppl were also making fun of him for thanking his teammates in this presser. It sounded like someone who had just won mvp or something. It's just kinda strange that he thanked all his teammates when the season was over. As if to suggest he had achieved a big accomplishment this year or something like that.

I didn't see the presser...I just heard some ppl talk about the hot mic and then talk about how he's being propped up....always been treated with kid gloves. Has no reason to resent the media. Etc etc.


who cares? none of this degrassi high sh t matters. all that matters is what happens on the court. lowry was an ahole. next year there will be expectations. we will take it from there.

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