NBA Trade Thread #12

[sco]

I think Coby stays…

But what if Pistons offer Ivey?

Ivey and Holland if we throw in the POR pick or Jalen Smith to help their shooting?

Interesting notion. Coby would be perfect for the Pistons. They have a true #1 option. They have the defense to cover for him. They have the assets to make an interesting offer. I'd do that trade or something similar.

That said, I am confident that AK isn't trading Coby, and doubly-confident he wouldn't trade him to a team in the division that would become a contender as a result.

[sco]

Yes to Zion, no to Embid. Think the cost for Embid is way more than Zion, and he's way older.

Kuminga's a player to at least look at in FA. Rumors Nets might go after him, talks of Warriors sign and trade, but don't see how that benefits the Nets when they could just sign him out right. They were far apart in contract negotiations before his injury and they're benching him now.

Patrick Williams for Kuminga in sign and trade? Warriors get a similar build/type player instead of losing him for nothing. They're over the cap and old, so they probably value young players in a sign and trade. Maybe they think Kerr is a better coach than Donovan, staff is better, and they can get more out of him slimmed down at SF. Can they sign and trade over the apron? Throw in a 2028 pick swap.

Nets going after Kuminga would be very helpful to us as it likely restricts their ability to also go after Giddey. If I were the Nets, I'd go after Kuminga and Jones.

[sco]

I honestly think that if you’re going to trade for Zion it would have to include Giddey because Giddey and Zion aren’t really a good fit. Neither can space the floor or create of the dribble in the perimeter. The trade would be Giddey/filler and some draft capital. Resign Tre as a facilitator and POA Defender and acquire a rim running big or maybe draft Malauch.

Tre
Coby
Zion
Matas
Malauch


Also there’s a chance that they might dump him for salary cap relief so you might not pay that much to get him.

I actually don't hate the pairing because Giddey is very good at manipulating the defense on drives and elite at finding guys in the paint when doing so. Also, many of his drives in the paint are on the initial ball move up the court, then he'll go out to the perimeter. But that said, we'd need for Giddey to become more of a 3pt threat because Zion isn't one. Our C would also need to be one as well.

Zion certainly comes with opportunity costs beyond his injury risk.

[WesPeace]

I wonder if Dallas would be interested in Vucevic and Phillips for Gafford and Christie swap? Christie started hot for Dallas, then cooled down,he could be good SF defensive solution.

[sco]

I wonder if Dallas would be interested in Vucevic and Phillips for Gafford and Christie swap? Christie started hot for Dallas, then cooled down,he could be good SF defensive solution.

Interesting notion. I assumed that Phillips would have no trade value, but maybe he has enough positive tape now.

I think the guy Dallas should be interested in is Ball. That said, I noted this earlier, I have a hard time seeing AK admitting his mistake and going after Gafford.

[ChettheJet]

I think Coby stays…

But what if Pistons offer Ivey?

Ivey and Holland if we throw in the POR pick or Jalen Smith to help their shooting?

Ivey and Holland for let's say White and Carter as an expiring contract. No the Bulls shouldn't be adding the PORT pick or especially Smith to an improving 20ppg scorer.

What I like about the idea is getting a young player on his rookie contract who may not have reached his potential and could match up timeline wise with other Bulls. Ivey is similar to Giddey in that he can rebound and pass the ball, but he's already a better shooter, 46 and 40%. If he sees what the Billy style did for Giddey and White moving the ball until there's an open shot while driving downhill he could really take off.

[jnrjr79]

I honestly think that if you’re going to trade for Zion it would have to include Giddey because Giddey and Zion aren’t really a good fit. Neither can space the floor or create of the dribble in the perimeter. The trade would be Giddey/filler and some draft capital. Resign Tre as a facilitator and POA Defender and acquire a rim running big or maybe draft Malauch.

Tre
Coby
Zion
Matas
Malauch


Also there’s a chance that they might dump him for salary cap relief so you might not pay that much to get him.

Can’t trade Giddey for Zion unless you re-sign him to a deal so big the salaries match. You can’t aggregate salaries in a sign-and-trade.

[waffle]

I think GIddey would make a PF or C with good hands an all star. He'd get 3-4 hand off assists a game to someone who could finish in the paint

[sco]

I think GIddey would make a PF or C with good hands an all star. He'd get 3-4 hand off assists a game to someone who could finish in the paint

Agree. I look at the stretch that Collins had, and you can see how easy he makes scoring at the rim for C's because he creates so much gravity off his drives.

[waffle]

and they wouldn't even have to be all that good! Decent defender, decent size, decent hands... Here, put this in the basket now go body up someone on D

[Chi town]

I think GIddey would make a PF or C with good hands an all star. He'd get 3-4 hand off assists a game to someone who could finish in the paint

I’ve said it all year… Giddey with a lob threat would be cheat code. It would open up our offense a ton. If that big can run the floor well then we are really cooking. This is why I like Beringer in the draft.

None of our bigs are lob threats.
Collins and Smith are meh rim protectors.

[Chi town]

I think Coby stays…

But what if Pistons offer Ivey?

Ivey and Holland if we throw in the POR pick or Jalen Smith to help their shooting?

Ivey and Holland for let's say White and Carter as an expiring contract. No the Bulls shouldn't be adding the PORT pick or especially Smith to an improving 20ppg scorer.

What I like about the idea is getting a young player on his rookie contract who may not have reached his potential and could match up timeline wise with other Bulls. Ivey is similar to Giddey in that he can rebound and pass the ball, but he's already a better shooter, 46 and 40%. If he sees what the Billy style did for Giddey and White moving the ball until there's an open shot while driving downhill he could really take off.

Holland is a top 5 pick and that shine stays on for awhile.

I think Ivey will be a two way all star. Don’t think he’s a PG but he is much better at PG than Coby. He’s an elite athlete who plays above the rim and can really defend. He’d be awesome in our fast pace offense.

DET will see how he looks with Cade before they consider a trade. I think he was looking really good next to Cade.

I do think Holland is the odd man out there with Ausar basically being his twin with a bigger frame. I’d love Holland as that lock down wing between Coby Giddey and Buz. He’s super aggressive and has lots of dog in him. I think Patton would help his shot a lot too. I think Holland is gettable. I’d trade our first for him most likely or POR pick or Smith.

[PJSteven22]

I honestly think that if you’re going to trade for Zion it would have to include Giddey because Giddey and Zion aren’t really a good fit. Neither can space the floor or create of the dribble in the perimeter. The trade would be Giddey/filler and some draft capital. Resign Tre as a facilitator and POA Defender and acquire a rim running big or maybe draft Malauch.

Tre
Coby
Zion
Matas
Malauch


Also there’s a chance that they might dump him for salary cap relief so you might not pay that much to get him.

Can’t trade Giddey for Zion unless you re-sign him to a deal so big the salaries match. You can’t aggregate salaries in a sign-and-trade.

I’m pretty sure you can unless they changed it. That’s how we got Lonzo. Even if you can’t aggregate contracts you can start him off at around 30+ million and the trade works.

[Dan Z]

I think Coby stays…

But what if Pistons offer Ivey?

Ivey and Holland if we throw in the POR pick or Jalen Smith to help their shooting?

Ivey and Holland for let's say White and Carter as an expiring contract. No the Bulls shouldn't be adding the PORT pick or especially Smith to an improving 20ppg scorer.

What I like about the idea is getting a young player on his rookie contract who may not have reached his potential and could match up timeline wise with other Bulls. Ivey is similar to Giddey in that he can rebound and pass the ball, but he's already a better shooter, 46 and 40%. If he sees what the Billy style did for Giddey and White moving the ball until there's an open shot while driving downhill he could really take off.

It makes no sense for the Pistons to do either of those trades. Ivey has the potential to be as good as Coby(if not better) and they also give up Holland. Why? Plus, theyll have to give Coby a contract extension in a year.

[Chi town]

What is Coby worth in a trade?

Dejounte got Dyson Daniels and two 1sts.

What could Coby get us? I don’t think he will be traded but I’d love to know his value. KC said 7 teams called the Bulls about Coby at the deadline.

If we do get an offer we can’t refuse I’d want Tre in this draft to replace him and his shooting.

[sco]

What is Coby worth in a trade?

Dejounte got Dyson Daniels and two 1sts.

What could Coby get us? I don’t think he will be traded but I’d love to know his value. KC said 7 teams called the Bulls about Coby at the deadline.

If we do get an offer we can’t refuse I’d want Tre in this draft to replace him and his shooting.

I like to think that Coby could fetch 2 1sts, but part of me says it's just 1 first and a rotation level player with upside.

[jnrjr79]

I honestly think that if you’re going to trade for Zion it would have to include Giddey because Giddey and Zion aren’t really a good fit. Neither can space the floor or create of the dribble in the perimeter. The trade would be Giddey/filler and some draft capital. Resign Tre as a facilitator and POA Defender and acquire a rim running big or maybe draft Malauch.

Tre
Coby
Zion
Matas
Malauch


Also there’s a chance that they might dump him for salary cap relief so you might not pay that much to get him.

Can’t trade Giddey for Zion unless you re-sign him to a deal so big the salaries match. You can’t aggregate salaries in a sign-and-trade.

I’m pretty sure you can unless they changed it. That’s how we got Lonzo. Even if you can’t aggregate contracts you can start him off at around 30+ million and the trade works.

The signed-and-traded player can’t be aggregated with others, to my understanding. You can aggregate the players on the other side of the deal, though, which is how the Bulls acquired Lonzo.

[jnrjr79]

What is Coby worth in a trade?

Dejounte got Dyson Daniels and two 1sts.

What could Coby get us? I don’t think he will be traded but I’d love to know his value. KC said 7 teams called the Bulls about Coby at the deadline.

If we do get an offer we can’t refuse I’d want Tre in this draft to replace him and his shooting.

I like to think that Coby could fetch 2 1sts, but part of me says it's just 1 first and a rotation level player with upside.

I would think the fact that Coby can’t be extended for a number he is likely to take will limit his market, because whoever trades for him 1) will need cap space to keep him, and 2) there won’t be any guarantees they can even if they open up space because he’ll a an UFA.

[Chi town]

What is Coby worth in a trade?

Dejounte got Dyson Daniels and two 1sts.

What could Coby get us? I don’t think he will be traded but I’d love to know his value. KC said 7 teams called the Bulls about Coby at the deadline.

If we do get an offer we can’t refuse I’d want Tre in this draft to replace him and his shooting.

I like to think that Coby could fetch 2 1sts, but part of me says it's just 1 first and a rotation level player with upside.

I would think the fact that Coby can’t be extended for a number he is likely to take will limit his market, because whoever trades for him 1) will need cap space to keep him, and 2) there won’t be any guarantees they can even if they open up space because he’ll a an UFA.

If they trade for him they get his bird right and can go over the cap to resign him. They just can’t extend him.

[Infinity2152]

Should be pretty easy to add defensive players around Giddey, Matas, Zion. We have a lottery pick this year. Draft a defensive player. Defensive players go later in the draft, you can probably get the second or third best defender with the 10th pick. Draft Khaman Maluach or the best defensive guard or center if we're not top 5.

Hate best player available after the top obvious 3-4 players, because most teams are wrong about who the best player available is after that anyway. Fit and need play a huge role in player success and development. We know exactly what we need if we have Giddey, Matas, Zion. Those are the types of players we should be targeting in the draft and free agency. We have another first coming and a ton of cap in 2026, just use it on pieces that fit. Target athletic defensive centers and shooting guards, instead of just who we think has the most talent. Prioritize trading for guys like Naz Reid or Myles Turner or Gafford over Sabonis even though Sabonis is "better".

Targeting long, athletic, defensive players is how you get Kawhi, Giannis, Butler level defenders and most good defensive centers later in the draft. Sometimes they end up pretty great on offense, lol.

Plus we have Ball, Williams, Ayo and Phillips who could all be plus defenders. Would like to see Julian Phillips get some time as defensive SG in some jumbo lineups. He's 6'8, but 198 lbs, about Giddey's size. He's fast, young and long, he should be able to guard 1-3. Above the rim lob threat at all times, he could eat slashing without the ball playing with Giddey. Especially if we have a center with range and Phillips can get to NBA average from 3. He's probably about early Jimmy Butler level now.