Peter Patton, director of player development, won't be back

Jcool0 · Post #1 » by **Jcool0** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:40 pm

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Mk0 · Post #2 » by **Mk0** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:43 pm

I just made a thread on this. Mods can you close mine?

Mk0 · Post #3 » by **Mk0** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:44 pm

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/04/18/firing-coach-peter-patton-growing-questions-bulls-leadership

News reached Bulls players that Karnisovas made the decision to fire director of player development/shooting coach guru Peter Patton after the loss to Miami in Wednesday’s play-in game, leaving a core of current players “beyond pissed,” as one said in a text.

“Coach Pete was the real deal … (messed) up,” another player said.

Not just smoke coming from the locker room for the wildly popular Patton, but a full fire.

Throughout this season, players like Coby White, Patrick Williams, Dalen Terry, Josh Giddey and Matas Buzelis all publicly praised the work they put in with Patton and the benefits it had on their game.

And of course the reason why

According to a source, Patton was a guy that also liked to shoot from the hip and speak his mind when asked. The feeling is that while Karnisovas often asks opinions, “They have to fit his,” the source said.

_txchilibowl_ · Post #4 » by **_txchilibowl_** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:46 pm

Shots fired

Bulliever2020 · Post #5 » by **Bulliever2020** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:48 pm

This organization is a joke

meekrab · Post #6 » by **meekrab** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:50 pm

AK can't have anybody thinking in the front office, oh well.

dawhizz · Post #7 » by **dawhizz** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:52 pm

Such a cowardly move to do his the day after your press conference so you don’t have to answer any questions about it. Bulls are fully cooked until AK is gone.

WesPeace · Post #8 » by **WesPeace** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:03 pm

F... AK! Fire his ass..

Mk0 · Post #9 » by **Mk0** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:15 pm

_txchilibowl_ wrote:Shots fired

We only shoot airballs and wedgies now.

jnrjr79 · Post #10 » by **jnrjr79** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:16 pm

If the Cowley story is accurate, that’s pretty bleak.

GoBlue72391 · Post #11 » by **GoBlue72391** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:18 pm

Patton wasn't a yes man, so he had to go.

Mk0 · Post #12 » by **Mk0** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:19 pm

I really hope the FO plans on replacing these guys. We just let go of our shooting coach and our analytics staff is one guy?

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Any sane franchise would be replacing them with a bigger hire from another team and expanding the staff.

Also how hilarious that this team was running, shooting 3s and now we just fired our shooting coach and VP of analytics?

Indomitable · Post #13 » by **Indomitable** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:23 pm

The rats will survive

Post #14 » by **dougthonus** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:28 pm

You know everyone just hates these guys when people get up and arms about them being let go. If people loved AK, they'd be like "hell yeah, we're not settling for these guys, we're looking to improve!". I have no way to judge Patton or Weiman, and probably no one else does here either.

Weinman has been with the Bulls forever, and the Bulls have been absolutely backwards on analytics for almost all of that time. Maybe no one listened to Weinman, maybe Weinman is bad at his job, no way to know, but no one should be praising the Bulls analytics department under him.

Joe's got an anonymous player quote that could be from Talen Horten Tucker or some other nobody for all we know, and the assistant / development coaches are almost always among the most popular, so no surprise Patton was liked. Maybe Patton was great, maybe not. Ayo/Pat cratered with their shooting this year. Giddey/Terry saw some improvements. Coby was about the same. How much impact did Patton have and on who? No way to know.

AK's gotten to the billboard point where it really doesn't matter what he does, everyone will assume the worst.

FWIW, I also think AK sucks, and he may suck for this, I just have a hard time getting too up in arms for these types of moves where you really have nothing to go on.

Mk0 · Post #15 » by **Mk0** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:35 pm

dougthonus wrote::rofl:

You know everyone just hates these guys when people get up and arms about them being let go. If people loved them, they'd be like "hell yeah, we're not settling for these guys, we're looking to improve!". I have no way to judge Patton or Weiman, and probably no one else does here either.

Weinman has been with the Bulls forever, and the Bulls have been absolutely backwards on analytics for almost all of that time. Maybe no one listened to Weinman, maybe Weinman is bad at his job, no way to know, but no one should be praising the Bulls analytics department under him.

Joe's got an anonymous player quote that could be from Talen Horten Tucker or some other nobody for all we know, and the assistant / development coaches are almost always among the most popular, so no surprise Patton was liked. I'm not saying this is a good thing or a bad thing, it's just a thing there's no reasonable way to know if its good or bad, but now feels bad because AK is so bad at everything else and everyone is so done with him that by default you assume bad.

FWIW, I also think AK sucks, and he may suck for this, I just don't think there's any reasonable way to know.

It depends if the FO thinks a one-man analytics dept is a good thing (it's not) and if they plan on replacing Peter Patton.

This only makes sense if there is an upgrade. But we have Coby on record when Patton started that until he got here the coaching staff never attempted to help his jumper. I am working atm and don't have the time but I remember Coby saying something along the lines of "I had a good jumper out of college so they didn't think I needed to work on it" and then praising Patton for helping him make his release more consistent.

So right now I am suuuuper skeptical. This FO is a mess and unless he follows this up with a home run hire it makes zero sense. The guy waited until the day AFTER the end of season press conference.

FriedRise · Post #16 » by **FriedRise** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:41 pm

Point the finger elsewhere why don't you AK.

We became one of the best 3pt shooting team BECAUSE of Peter Patton. It's one of the positive things from a trainwreck of a season. What a joke.

Post #17 » by **dougthonus** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:42 pm

Mk0 wrote:It depends if the FO thinks a one-man analytics dept is a good thing (it's not) and if they plan on replacing Peter Patton.

This only makes sense if there is an upgrade. But we have Coby on record when Patton started that until he got here the coaching staff never attempted to help his jumper. I am working atm and don't have the time but I remember Coby saying something along the lines of "I had a good jumper out of college so they didn't think I needed to work on it" and then praising Patton for helping him make his release more consistent.

So right now I am suuuuper skeptical. This FO is a mess and unless he follows this up with a home run hire it makes zero sense. The guy waited until the day AFTER the end of season press conference.

You should be skeptical, but it's pretty unlikely they were going to fire these guys and announce replacements on the same day.

The Bulls have been ass-backwards on analytics for the entire time Weinman was here which means he either gave people absolutely horrendous advice or he was really poor at convincing people to listen to him and was rendered ineffectual by his lack of ability to generate influence. Either way, it seems pretty clear to me the Bulls analytics department needed a makeover.

Patton is harder to gauge, they're obviously going to bring in a new director of player personnel, which they already stated. I have no idea if the next guy will be better or worse than Patton, and neither does anyone else.

So sure, things might be worse next year in both these areas, but they might also be better. There's no meaningful reason to have a strong opinion on which way it will go IMO.

The Force. · Post #18 » by **The Force.** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:44 pm

dawhizz wrote:Bulls are fully cooked until Reinsdorf is gone.

FTFY

Jcool0 · Post #19 » by **Jcool0** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:51 pm

dougthonus wrote:
Mk0 wrote:It depends if the FO thinks a one-man analytics dept is a good thing (it's not) and if they plan on replacing Peter Patton.

This only makes sense if there is an upgrade. But we have Coby on record when Patton started that until he got here the coaching staff never attempted to help his jumper. I am working atm and don't have the time but I remember Coby saying something along the lines of "I had a good jumper out of college so they didn't think I needed to work on it" and then praising Patton for helping him make his release more consistent.

So right now I am suuuuper skeptical. This FO is a mess and unless he follows this up with a home run hire it makes zero sense. The guy waited until the day AFTER the end of season press conference.

You should be skeptical, but it's pretty unlikely they were going to fire these guys and announce replacements on the same day.

The Bulls have been ass-backwards on analytics for the entire time Weinman was here which means he either gave people absolutely horrendous advice or he was really poor at convincing people to listen to him and was rendered ineffectual by his lack of ability to generate influence. Either way, it seems pretty clear to me the Bulls analytics department needed a makeover.

Patton is harder to gauge, they're obviously going to bring in a new director of player personnel, which they already stated. I have no idea if the next guy will be better or worse than Patton, and neither does anyone else.

So sure, things might be worse next year in both these areas, but they might also be better. There's no meaningful reason to have a strong opinion on which way it will go IMO.

You are well with in your right not to think these guys don't anything or have no idea what they actually do for the Bulls. Doesn't mean the rest of us have to agree with that.

Muzbar · Post #20 » by **Muzbar** » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:54 pm

What the hell is wrong with AK? Can the Bulls get a new front office please, the wrong people are being let go. FFS.