Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Skybox]

That would be stupid.

you're probably right.

AB emergence and if he continues it during the playoffs does seem like a possible roadblock to adding another starting guard.

Suggs seems pretty locked into one guard spot.

KCP has been a bit of an iron man and when in his proper role shoots much better.

It may come down to how vocal Paolo is about wanting a PG in the starting lineup.

Is a play making 6th man enough?

I don’t think it’s as black and white if Suggs is expected to be fully healthy and AB shows something in the playoffs.

Cole and KCP have 1 year left. Do we wait it out? Or add a 6th man player maker as we wait it out?

I think swapping Caldwell-Pope out for a scorer that can playmake a bit like Sexton, Simons or Monk is the most obvious thing to do. How attached is the FO to their prized FA signing though even if he hasn't been the best fit? I just think this offense is so bad that a move like that has to be at least tried for a year.

Then you can keep AB as a combo guard off the bench with CoJo or try to get a better vet option along side him (MLE? Cole/Jett trade?). The question then would be is the starting offense going to function better with the facilitator or the spark plug scorer that can pass a little.

I've said in other threads that I am not worried about finding AB minutes. Between Suggs being a lower minute player that should be given rest days IMO and the fact that AB can play 1-3 they can easily find minutes for him if he is worth them.

I don't see why any of those teams would welcome KCP for their younger, high scoring guys...especially at $22m per...all 3 of those teams is (or should be) in some stage of a rebuild, so taking on a guy like KCP (despite his value to a contending team) will want more draft equity added...which I would do, to a point. Getting off KCP's money has value for this team, even if you don't think he's a negative value in a vacuum. I agree about AB - he's probably the main reason I'd feel comfortable moving out KCP. AB is becoming a better, cheaper, bigger, younger KCP even if he doesn't magically develop the playmaking chops some think he has hidden inside. AB is big enough and versatile enough to move all over the lineup - there are minutes for him.

[Idiosyncratic]

I don't see why any of those teams would welcome KCP for their younger, high scoring guys...especially at $22m per...all 3 of those teams is (or should be) in some stage of a rebuild, so taking on a guy like KCP (despite his value to a contending team) will want more draft equity added...which I would do, to a point. Getting off KCP's money has value for this team, even if you don't think he's a negative value in a vacuum. I agree about AB - he's probably the main reason I'd feel comfortable moving out KCP. AB is becoming a better, cheaper, bigger, younger KCP even if he doesn't magically develop the playmaking chops some think he has hidden inside. AB is big enough and versatile enough to move all over the lineup - there are minutes for him.

Yeah I think it could be a 3-team trade or maybe the draft pick incentive is enough for them to make the swap. If not... Back to the drawing board.

[CarraT]

I don't see why any of those teams would welcome KCP for their younger, high scoring guys...especially at $22m per...all 3 of those teams is (or should be) in some stage of a rebuild, so taking on a guy like KCP (despite his value to a contending team) will want more draft equity added...which I would do, to a point. Getting off KCP's money has value for this team, even if you don't think he's a negative value in a vacuum. I agree about AB - he's probably the main reason I'd feel comfortable moving out KCP. AB is becoming a better, cheaper, bigger, younger KCP even if he doesn't magically develop the playmaking chops some think he has hidden inside. AB is big enough and versatile enough to move all over the lineup - there are minutes for him.

Yeah I think it could be a 3-team trade or maybe the draft pick incentive is enough for them to make the swap. If not... Back to the drawing board.

Obviously KCP needs to be moved to a contender for picks and expirings in a 3 way deal to get White/Sexton/Simons

[MasterGMer]

Will Ja Morant become available? If his behavior is not a concern, I think he could fit in very well with Paolo and Franz, except he needs ball in his hands too

[Skybox]

Summer of Love:

Trade #1...
ORL sends: KCP, Isaac,#16, DEN #24
ORL gets: Malik Monk, Patrick Williams, #13

CHI sends: Patrick Williams, #13
CHI gets: KCP, #16
Why: CHI believes they're ready to do some damage and KCP's tough, vet 3&D nicely fits with Coby and Giddey's offense. KCP is simply a better player on a shorter deal than PWill, so the slight decrease in draft spot pays the difference.

SAC sends: Malik Monk
SAC gets: Jonathan Isaac, DEN frp #24
Why: SAC has plenty of offense with Lavine, DDR, and Sabonis but lacks the complementary defensive savant to protect Sabonis. SAC doesn't have a frp this year, so they get a frp in light of Isaac's minutes limitations but he actually might make them better. SAC expects a healthy Devin Carter to take Monk's minutes next year.

Trade #2...
ORL sends: Cole, Goga, Jett, ORL 26 frp (Top 3), ORL 28 (Top 8)
BRK sends: Claxton, #20
Why: BRK gets a younger, cheaper C, an expiring crowd-pleaser in Cole, and an interesting prospect that hasn't yet clicked (also expiring). BRK has FOUR frps in 25, so they may want to trade more out for future assets. Claxton has value (and a nice descending deal), so ORL adds another frp. This move allows BRK to have more cap room in the summer of 26, without diminishing any of their available cap space this summer.

ORL selects Jase Richardson at #13 and Thomas Sorber with #20. Waive Gary Harris' TO

Claxton, WCJ, Moe
Paolo, Williams, Sorber
Franz, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, AB, Queen
Monk, Richardson, CoJo

Why: Monk & Richardson add dynamic scoring potential to ORL's versatile backcourt. Claxton and Sorber both add elite defensive versatility among the bigs and eliminate ORL's reliance on frequently injured players like Isaac. Mosely works with Williams & Sorber to multi-position defensive contributors in the frontcourt. Williams is much-maligned but only makes a bit more than Isaac, while being a much more reliable player with better 3pt shooting. WCJ, Claxton and Moe form a very versatile mix of rim protection, muscle, scoring and perimeter defense to be deployed as matchups demand.
*The new depth at C might even lead ORL to decline Moe's TO or restructure it for more years at less salary. Offloading KCP, Isaac, and Goga's longer-term guaranteed money and Jett and Cole's expirings in return for some cost certainty and better depth is also a plus.

[MasterGMer]

Summer of Love:

Trade #1...
ORL sends: KCP, Isaac,#16, DEN #24
ORL gets: Malik Monk, Patrick Williams, #13

CHI sends: Patrick Williams, #13
CHI gets: KCP, #16
Why: CHI believes they're ready to do some damage and KCP's tough, vet 3&D nicely fits with Coby and Giddey's offense. KCP is simply a better player on a shorter deal than PWill, so the slight decrease in draft spot pays the difference.

SAC sends: Malik Monk
SAC gets: Jonathan Isaac, DEN frp #24
Why: SAC has plenty of offense with Lavine, DDR, and Sabonis but lacks the complementary defensive savant to protect Sabonis. SAC doesn't have a frp this year, so they get a frp in light of Isaac's minutes limitations but he actually might make them better. SAC expects a healthy Devin Carter to take Monk's minutes next year.

Trade #2...
ORL sends: Cole, Goga, Jett, ORL 26 frp (Top 3), ORL 28 (Top 8)
BRK sends: Claxton, #20
Why: BRK gets a younger, cheaper C, an expiring crowd-pleaser in Cole, and an interesting prospect that hasn't yet clicked (also expiring). BRK has FOUR frps in 25, so they may want to trade more out for future assets. Claxton has value (and a nice descending deal), so ORL adds another frp. This move allows BRK to have more cap room in the summer of 26, without diminishing any of their available cap space this summer.

ORL selects Jase Richardson at #13 and Thomas Sorber with #20. Waive Gary Harris' TO

Claxton, WCJ, Moe
Paolo, Williams, Sorber
Franz, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, AB, Queen
Monk, Richardson, CoJo

Why: Monk & Richardson add dynamic scoring potential to ORL's versatile backcourt. Claxton and Sorber both add elite defensive versatility among the bigs and eliminate ORL's reliance on frequently injured players like Isaac. Mosely works with Williams & Sorber to multi-position defensive contributors in the frontcourt. Williams is much-maligned but only makes a bit more than Isaac, while being a much more reliable player with better 3pt shooting. WCJ, Claxton and Moe form a very versatile mix of rim protection, muscle, scoring and perimeter defense to be deployed as matchups demand.
*The new depth at C might even lead ORL to decline Moe's TO or restructure it for more years at less salary. Offloading KCP, Isaac, and Goga's longer-term guaranteed money and Jett and Cole's expirings in return for some cost certainty and better depth is also a plus.

Why not using the assets we have to chase a star in return?

[Skybox]

Summer of Love 2.0...

Trade #1...
ORL sends: KCP, WCJ, Cole Anthony, DEN 25 frp #24
NOLA sends: CJ McCollum, Herb Jones
Why NOLA: KCP and DJM make a ferocious, long, complementary starting backcourt. Cole handles PG until DJM returns and is a TO for NOLA to consider after a season. WCJ is a super versatile big with the strength and defensive switchability to play C next to Zion and the 2-way versatility to also play next to Missi at times. Herb is a great 3&D wing, but Trey Murphy has emerged as the greater upside version that makes Herb expendable to get the additional frp.

Trade #2...
ORL sends: Isaac, Goga, Howard, ORL 26 frp (top 8)
BRK sends: Claxton, #26
Why BRK: Claxton is way ahead of their rebuild. They grab a valuable frp next year, less expensive frontcourt defenders in Goga and Isaac, and a prospect in Howard. They currently hold 4 frps this summer, so giving up #26 isn't too big a deal. Their cap space this summer is unaffected.

ORL selects Thomas Sorber at #16 and Walter Clayton at #26

Claxton, Moe, Sorber
Paolo, Sorber, Jones
Franz, Jones, TdS, Caleb
Suggs, AB, Queen
CJM, CoJo, Clayton
Just way more explosive offensively, much deeper with shooting throughout. CJ is an expiring, so could be re-upped for considerably less per year or just let go if Suggs, AB or Clayton make a leap as playmakers. Herb Jones and Sorber add tremendous size and 2-way versatility in the frontcourt.

[Skybox]

Summer of Love:

Trade #1...
ORL sends: KCP, Isaac,#16, DEN #24
ORL gets: Malik Monk, Patrick Williams, #13

CHI sends: Patrick Williams, #13
CHI gets: KCP, #16
Why: CHI believes they're ready to do some damage and KCP's tough, vet 3&D nicely fits with Coby and Giddey's offense. KCP is simply a better player on a shorter deal than PWill, so the slight decrease in draft spot pays the difference.

SAC sends: Malik Monk
SAC gets: Jonathan Isaac, DEN frp #24
Why: SAC has plenty of offense with Lavine, DDR, and Sabonis but lacks the complementary defensive savant to protect Sabonis. SAC doesn't have a frp this year, so they get a frp in light of Isaac's minutes limitations but he actually might make them better. SAC expects a healthy Devin Carter to take Monk's minutes next year.

Trade #2...
ORL sends: Cole, Goga, Jett, ORL 26 frp (Top 3), ORL 28 (Top 8)
BRK sends: Claxton, #20
Why: BRK gets a younger, cheaper C, an expiring crowd-pleaser in Cole, and an interesting prospect that hasn't yet clicked (also expiring). BRK has FOUR frps in 25, so they may want to trade more out for future assets. Claxton has value (and a nice descending deal), so ORL adds another frp. This move allows BRK to have more cap room in the summer of 26, without diminishing any of their available cap space this summer.

ORL selects Jase Richardson at #13 and Thomas Sorber with #20. Waive Gary Harris' TO

Claxton, WCJ, Moe
Paolo, Williams, Sorber
Franz, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, AB, Queen
Monk, Richardson, CoJo

Why: Monk & Richardson add dynamic scoring potential to ORL's versatile backcourt. Claxton and Sorber both add elite defensive versatility among the bigs and eliminate ORL's reliance on frequently injured players like Isaac. Mosely works with Williams & Sorber to multi-position defensive contributors in the frontcourt. Williams is much-maligned but only makes a bit more than Isaac, while being a much more reliable player with better 3pt shooting. WCJ, Claxton and Moe form a very versatile mix of rim protection, muscle, scoring and perimeter defense to be deployed as matchups demand.
*The new depth at C might even lead ORL to decline Moe's TO or restructure it for more years at less salary. Offloading KCP, Isaac, and Goga's longer-term guaranteed money and Jett and Cole's expirings in return for some cost certainty and better depth is also a plus.

Why not using the assets we have to chase a star in return?

Would love a star PG in return for the assets I offered...I don't see who'd do that.
Cumulatively, I gave...KCP, Cole, Goga, Jett, Isaac, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp, ORL 28 frp (technically, got back #13 and #20 back, so really only out 1 frp)
*I don't think those equate to a star package but I'd love to hear one.

[RichCollab]

Summer of Love:

Trade #1...
ORL sends: KCP, Isaac,#16, DEN #24
ORL gets: Malik Monk, Patrick Williams, #13

CHI sends: Patrick Williams, #13
CHI gets: KCP, #16
Why: CHI believes they're ready to do some damage and KCP's tough, vet 3&D nicely fits with Coby and Giddey's offense. KCP is simply a better player on a shorter deal than PWill, so the slight decrease in draft spot pays the difference.

SAC sends: Malik Monk
SAC gets: Jonathan Isaac, DEN frp #24
Why: SAC has plenty of offense with Lavine, DDR, and Sabonis but lacks the complementary defensive savant to protect Sabonis. SAC doesn't have a frp this year, so they get a frp in light of Isaac's minutes limitations but he actually might make them better. SAC expects a healthy Devin Carter to take Monk's minutes next year.

Trade #2...
ORL sends: Cole, Goga, Jett, ORL 26 frp (Top 3), ORL 28 (Top 8)
BRK sends: Claxton, #20
Why: BRK gets a younger, cheaper C, an expiring crowd-pleaser in Cole, and an interesting prospect that hasn't yet clicked (also expiring). BRK has FOUR frps in 25, so they may want to trade more out for future assets. Claxton has value (and a nice descending deal), so ORL adds another frp. This move allows BRK to have more cap room in the summer of 26, without diminishing any of their available cap space this summer.

ORL selects Jase Richardson at #13 and Thomas Sorber with #20. Waive Gary Harris' TO

Claxton, WCJ, Moe
Paolo, Williams, Sorber
Franz, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, AB, Queen
Monk, Richardson, CoJo

Why: Monk & Richardson add dynamic scoring potential to ORL's versatile backcourt. Claxton and Sorber both add elite defensive versatility among the bigs and eliminate ORL's reliance on frequently injured players like Isaac. Mosely works with Williams & Sorber to multi-position defensive contributors in the frontcourt. Williams is much-maligned but only makes a bit more than Isaac, while being a much more reliable player with better 3pt shooting. WCJ, Claxton and Moe form a very versatile mix of rim protection, muscle, scoring and perimeter defense to be deployed as matchups demand.
*The new depth at C might even lead ORL to decline Moe's TO or restructure it for more years at less salary. Offloading KCP, Isaac, and Goga's longer-term guaranteed money and Jett and Cole's expirings in return for some cost certainty and better depth is also a plus.

Why not using the assets we have to chase a star in return?

We have our stars. Don’t see us getting another

[Skybox]

Summer of Love 3.0...

Trade #1
ORL sends: Franz Wagner, KCP, Jett Howard
MIA sends: Andrew Wiggins, Tyler Herro

Trade #2
ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp (top 5)
BRK sends: Nic Claxton, cap space

ORL waives TOs on Gary Harris, Cory Joseph, ORL signs UFA Ty Jerome to MLE

ORL drafts Thomas Sorber with #16 and Walter Clayton at #24

Claxton, Goga, Moe
Paolo, Isaac, Sorber
Wiggins, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, AB, Queen
Herro, Jerome, Clayton

* could possibly just do #2 and...
Claxton, Goga, Moe
Paolo, Isaac, Sorber
Franz, KCP, TdS
Suggs, KCP, Queen
Jerome, AB, Clayton

[MasterGMer]

Skybox, what should be a good trade package for Ja Morant? I am interested to hear one

[Skybox]

Skybox, what should be a good trade package for Ja Morant? I am interested to hear one

I can't imagine it wouldn't have to involve Franz...they have Bame already so: (I'll try to keep it simple-not easy for me)

I think Ja for Franz works straight up, contract-wise and I know there'd be a ton of disagreement about who's worth more (I say Franz is far more complete and makes for a nice complementary core with Bame and JJJ and Edey)....but Ja is a dawg among dawgs, electrifying player...just imagine the sparks from a Suggs/Morant backcourt

ORL sends: Franz Wagner (38.7m est. + 4 more up to 51), DEN 25 frp #24
MEM sends: Ja Morant (36.7m + 3 more up to 45m), Jaylen Wells (1.9m + 2 more)
*MEM does not have a frp this summer. Honestly, I don't know if this would fly for either side, but I think it's fair.

WCJ, Goga, Moe
Paolo, Isaac
Wells, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, KCP, Jett
Morant, AB, Cole

[MasterGMer]

Skybox, what should be a good trade package for Ja Morant? I am interested to hear one

I can't imagine it wouldn't have to involve Franz...they have Bame already so: (I'll try to keep it simple-not easy for me)

I think Ja for Franz works straight up, contract-wise and I know there'd be a ton of disagreement about who's worth more (I say Franz is far more complete and makes for a nice complementary core with Bame and JJJ and Edey)....but Ja is a dawg among dawgs, electrifying player...just imagine the sparks from a Suggs/Morant backcourt

ORL sends: Franz Wagner (38.7m est. + 4 more up to 51), DEN 25 frp #24
MEM sends: Ja Morant (36.7m + 3 more up to 45m), Jaylen Wells (1.9m + 2 more)
*MEM does not have a frp this summer. Honestly, I don't know if this would fly for either side, but I think it's fair.

WCJ, Goga, Moe
Paolo, Isaac
Wells, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, KCP, Jett
Morant, AB, Cole

That'd make me pause, because I do not want to trade Franz

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Have to agree...I'm not as certain about the right guy anymore. Tyus is a CoJo upgrade, but doesn't boost the scoring like the other guys. But they may not affect the ball movement the way that a "CoJo-type" clearly could (and has). IDK

I am definitely concerned about buying high on Coby, extending him at $25-30m per, and having him fall back to Earth. I think Sexton, Simons, and maybe even CJ might extend for $20m per and do the same work or maybe even better. Reaves and Herro, to me, are a level above and will cost more if they're even available. Reaves took a serious haircut, imo, and that won't happen again if he's moved out of his beloved LAL...but I'd definitely talk to them, because, if he embraced the role here, Reaves would be a great fit - he's just got the BBIQ to make the right plays and passes, etc. He looks like a poodle, but competes like a Dawg...I think of the group, Reaves' court vision is a level above all but Tyus...but Tyus is several tiers below in scoring and size (none are good defenders, but Tyus is really small).

it's like a broken freaking record at this point. every trade deadline and summer we're asking where's the PG coming from. Every one that passes we're wondering how brain dead does our FO have to be to not see the issue.

I think the simple answer is that they drafted Suggs and AB as point guards.

Which would be the wrong answer and continuing to force square peg in circle hole.

Suggs had his best year as a SG and AB is a 2/3 but guards PGs on the defensive side.

[eyriq]

it's like a broken freaking record at this point. every trade deadline and summer we're asking where's the PG coming from. Every one that passes we're wondering how brain dead does our FO have to be to not see the issue.

I think the simple answer is that they drafted Suggs and AB as point guards.

Which would be the wrong answer and continuing to force square peg in circle hole.

Suggs had his best year as a SG and AB is a 2/3 but guards PGs on the defensive side.

Suggs was the starting PG last season with Harris at shooting guard and it worked.

[basketballRob]

I think the simple answer is that they drafted Suggs and AB as point guards.

Which would be the wrong answer and continuing to force square peg in circle hole.

Suggs had his best year as a SG and AB is a 2/3 but guards PGs on the defensive side.

Suggs was the starting PG last season.

Gary Harris was the SG

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[eyriq]

Which would be the wrong answer and continuing to force square peg in circle hole.

Suggs had his best year as a SG and AB is a 2/3 but guards PGs on the defensive side.

Suggs was the starting PG last season.

Gary Harris was the SG

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Exactly.

Lineups with greater than 100 minutes had the following backcourts:

Suggs/Harris, 299 min
Fultz/Suggs, 280 min
AB/Suggs, 273 min
Suggs/Caleb, 101

Edit: not to mention that the playoff back court was Suggs/Harris

[basketballRob]

I think Suggs numbers started to tank as soon as Paolo went out. Those 2 had a nice rhythm. Suggs wasn't getting open looks after that. Suggs shooting close to 90% from the FT line was a good sign.

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[eyriq]

We've only had three lineups break 100 mins this season due to injuries

Backcourts

CoJo/KCP, 215 min
Cole/KCP, 187 min
Suggs/KCP, 151

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Suggs was the starting PG last season.

Gary Harris was the SG

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Exactly.

Lineups with greater than 100 minutes had the following backcourts:

Suggs/Harris, 299 min
Fultz/Suggs, 280 min
AB/Suggs, 273 min
Suggs/Caleb, 101

Edit: not to mention that the playoff back court was Suggs/Harris

Swing and miss again lol

Suggs played 31% of his minutes at SG last year vs 18% at PG.

He played the most minutes with AB and Fultz on the court last year than any other Guard. Like you stated a combined 553 minutes.