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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#501 » by thamadkant » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:56 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If we're not getting our picks back we'll probably target a Kuminga type



There's a reason Warriors is dangling Kuminga everywhere.

He's $hit.

Very athletic and built like a prize fighter but poor IQ and basketball awareness.

If he was any good, Warriors would have given him a contract in the 25M plus a year already and would be telling teams he's not available.

But dumb GMs enamoured with his athleticism are giving Warriors incentives to offer him as bait.

Suns don't need him.

He ain't no Marion who was a good player from the very first day he got to the NBA.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#502 » by BobbieL » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:59 pm

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Was this said after the report about getting another $149/2

I am sure Dbook is all-in once that paper is signed
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#503 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:10 pm

will go on record to say that IF the value packages for KD aren't there in terms of players and picks, and even though I'm not the biggest fan of KAT because his defense is just terrible. I would strongly lean towards a KD to New York trade for KAT ( if not Mikal or Anunoby/ Mitchell/ picks ( from a 3rd team)??

BECAUSE............... I believe KAT could be flipped elsewhere for other players and picks that we didn't/ couldn't get for KD due to age/ contract concerns.

Packages I do believe KAT could return in a trade:

Brooklyn: (** KAT is from New jersey)!!!
KAT/ Richards for Cam Johnson/ Claxton/ cap space/ 3 1sts.

Houston:
KAT for J Green/ J Smith Jr./ Whitmore/ 3 PHX 1sts.
Or
D Brooks/ Sheppard/ J Smith Jr/ Eason/ Whitmore/ 2 PHX 1sts.

Sacramento:
KAT for DeRozan/Monk/ Murray/ Carter/ 2 1sts.
Or
Sabonis/ La Ravia/ Carter/ 2 1sts.

Atlanta:
KAT for Okongwu/ Mann/ Daniels/ SAC 25' 1st (14th pick)/ LAL 25' 1st (22nd pick)/ ATL 29' 1st.
OR
J Johnson/ Okongwu/ Daniels/ SAC 25' 1st/ LAl 25' 1st.

San Antonio:
KAT for Vassell/ Barnes/ Castle/ ATL 25' 1st/ ATL 27' 1st.
OR
Vassell/ Barnes/ Sochan/ SAS 25' 1st (8th pick)/ ATL 25' 1st (15th pick)/ 2030 1st ( DAL or MIN) Swap rights.
*** DAL 28' 1st (unprotected) or MIN 28' 1st (top 1 protected).

Orlando:
KAT for Isaac/ Carter Jr/ KCP/D Silva/ ORL 25' 1st (16th pick)/ DEN 25 1st (24th pick)/ ORL 28' 1st.

Charlotte:
KAT for Miles Bridges/ Josh Green/ M Williams/ N Smith Jr/ CHO 25' 2nd (33rd pick)/ NOP 25' 2nd (34th pick)/ CHO 28' 1st / CHO 30' 1st.
OR
Bridges/ Nurkic (19 million expiring)/ Mark Williams/ CHO 25' 1st (3rd pick** If they don't move up or get Flagg)/ CHO 28' 1st/ CHO 30' 1st.
** We use the cap space saved to sign Capela or B Lopez in free agency.
** Or we use the 3rd pick to trade back with Houston, O'neale/ 3rd pick for Eason/ Whitmore/ PHX 25' 1st (9th pick) / PHX 27' 1st. And we then draft Fears ( D Fox) or Boyles ( J Butler/ D Green) at 9, and Thiero ( Anunoby/ Kwahi lite) at 29.

Detroit:
KAT for Harris/ Stewart/ Holland/ Klintman/ TOR 25' 2nd (37th pick)/ DET 26' 1st/ DET 28' 1st/ DET 30' 1st.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#504 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:11 pm

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Was this said after the report about getting another $149/2

I am sure Dbook is all-in once that paper is signed

YES! :dontknow:
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Post#508 » by Revived » Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:22 pm

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Revived wrote:Isn’t Anonuby always injured? Sabestar really is Matt Ishbia 2.0….he likes either old players or injury prone players.

OG Anunoby is 27 yo and has played 36.6 mpg on 74 games this season.

Is not that enough to say that he is healthy?

That’s cute. Now do his entire career and how many games he’s played in vs how many game he’s missed.

Because I remember when the Beal trade was made, there were tons of “Well actually Beal has played in X amount of games, he’s not really injury prone anymore” trying to downplay the amount of games Beal has missed overall in his career.

So we’re not playing that game again.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#509 » by Revived » Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:28 pm

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Saberestar wrote:OG Anunoby is 27 yo and has played 36.6 mpg on 74 games this season.

Is not that enough to say that he is healthy?


He's basically 28 as I said in previous post and has played less than Beal in 3 of his last 5 seasons and is on expensive contract. You cry about getting rid of Beal all the time. Man, your logic is so broken.


OG has played more games than Durant in the last 5 years. Safe bet he’ll play more over the next three.

Who gives a F about Beal. Other than a few fantasylanders who keep trading him.

All 3 of Beal, OG and Durant are injury prone players.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#510 » by Revived » Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:32 pm

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Mulhollanddrive wrote:If we're not getting our picks back we'll probably target a Kuminga type



There's a reason Warriors is dangling Kuminga everywhere.

He's $hit.

Very athletic and built like a prize fighter but poor IQ and basketball awareness.

If he was any good, Warriors would have given him a contract in the 25M plus a year already and would be telling teams he's not available.

But dumb GMs enamoured with his athleticism are giving Warriors incentives to offer him as bait.

Suns don't need him.

He ain't no Marion who was a good player from the very first day he got to the NBA.

Because of everything you said, he seems like the exact type of player that Ishbia may be targeting.
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Post#511 » by bwgood77 » Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:38 pm

King4Day wrote:I missed the last bunch of pages so apologies if this was discussed.

If we dealt with Houston, would you rather a deal that brings us back:

Guys like:

Smith
Whitmore
Green

With few, if any, high picks

OR

Pick centered deal (2 or 3 of our firsts back, including this year assuming they don't move into the top 4)
and FVV/fillers

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I think I'd take the picks and trust we can pick the right players. Thoughts?


Picks. I don't think Green is a winning type of player. Seems low iq despite his athleticism and talent. I do like Smith, but not more than having top picks. And I don't know too much about Whitmore. I don't know if FVV is a good fit next to Book, but I think he's expiring. Brooks might be the better get because of his toughness which is what we need.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#512 » by bwgood77 » Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:39 pm

BobbieL wrote:
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Ghost of Kleine wrote:I actually like the Idea of Anunoby and Mitchell. Although concerned about what their overall durability might be for the cumulative cost. But love the defensive concept premise for a change.

Although if I'm being honest, in a one for one or swap with New York, I might lean more towards KAT, as I think we could flip him for significantly more pieces and value in return than even KD due to his only being 29, being under contract for another 4 yrs, and putting up double/ Double production on great efficiency as a star tier 1B type star player like Booker.

I believe there would be a number of teams willing to.pay up value for him too. And his contract length would give us a slightly longer window to trade him as needed. I'll post the teams and trade package ideas later this morning in a couple of hours.

I love Anunobys' defense and skillset abilities, but might prefer KAT for production and trade value potential. Or Bridges back for the chemistry, fan vibe and feel good situation.

Also in taking back Bridges, (the lower salary player) that'd mean we'd also get hack more pieces in the deal like a Mitchell and fillers, or Hart and fillers and picks. Sending other pieces to a 3rd team for more value. But Anunoby would of course be solid value for our defensive premise too.

Although I do honestly believe we could get much of that defensive versatility/ impact with a young prospect like Adou Thiero at a fraction of the cost but with a very similar defense, athletic and two way skillset ( just not yet as offensively efficient). And then still get other key pieces like KAT or Bridges/ Hart/ Kolek or maybe McBride?? and some picks (from 3rd team)??

But again, my top choice might be KAT for his production, connection with Booker and trade value to other teams, that could very likely set us up with multiple pieces and premium pick value?? :dontknow:

I think Brunson and KAT are off the table for KD. I would prefer KAT too.


How does KAT make the Suns better? I don't like the fit with Booker. Thats more activity - "hey big name" over building the right roster

They mentioned toughness and grit - not sure that is KAT. Booker needs the right players around him. OG or Bridges I think work better than KAT. Towns would be more fantasy than winning games.

This is a multi-year process. Even keeping Booker - its two bad seasons Since they are keeping Booker, they need to do EVERYTHING they can to build for the summer of 2027. That means Beal - making sure he is not stretched, Allen and O"neale , trade for expirings in 2027 or earlier. Get some cap space for that summer.


I don't think OG is better than AD or Kyrie.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#513 » by bwgood77 » Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:41 pm

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Was this said after the report about getting another $149/2

I am sure Dbook is all-in once that paper is signed


Good, DBook who said we gotta go with Ayton, and Ishbia, architect of the KD a trade, are going to collaborate on decisions. What better combo could there be than that?
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Post#514 » by BobbieL » Fri Apr 18, 2025 9:52 pm

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I hope the new coach doesn't want to coach KD and kills that trade

that would put this team into purgatory
or whats worse than purgatory
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Post#515 » by Saberestar » Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:16 pm

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I hope the new coach doesn't want to coach KD and kills that trade

that would put this team into purgatory
or whats worse than purgatory

Royal Ivey is the HC that I really think would love to have KD on the team.

He is an upcoming coach with internacional experience (South Sudan) and as a young former player he could communicate better with current players.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#516 » by BobbieL » Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:32 pm

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I hope the new coach doesn't want to coach KD and kills that trade

that would put this team into purgatory
or whats worse than purgatory

Royal Ivey is the HC that I really think would love to have KD on the team.

He is an upcoming coach with internacional experience (South Sudan) and as a young former player he could communicate better with current players.


Keeping Durant would be terrible at this point. The Suns showed this year what a combo of Durant and Booker bring - the result 36-46
Maybe Bud accounts for a few losses -- but the Suns need to reset the cap, get some diffrernt players and just build around Booker
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Post#517 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:56 pm

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#518 » by Sunsdeuce » Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:11 pm

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Yup. Ishbia is a fool. There is no path to a championship or building a championship with Booker and KD on this team. This franchise is even more lost now than at any time Sarver was in charge. And 10 years ago, I’d argue there was no possible situation worse than it was than. Always person out there to prove you wrong.
I am such a lucky NBA fan. 8647 My favorite team went from the most greedy and racist owner to the most ego driven dumbass owner in all of sports fdt.

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1 

Post#519 » by BobbieL » Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:27 pm

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Yup. Ishbia is a fool. There is no path to a championship or building a championship with Booker and KD on this team. This franchise is even more lost now than at any time Sarver was in charge. And 10 years ago, I’d argue there was no possible situation worse than it was than. Always person out there to prove you wrong.


I was watching a bit of the PHNX-Suns podcast and Ruby's reasoning for keeping Booker was emotional, not about winning
-he has been here ten years
--more fans want him here than don't (hmm, not so sure about that - at least on this forum)
--- if Booker wants to retire a Sun, its his right

Again, forget the sentimental s**t - what is the best for the team to win a title?!!?
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