PG Pacers - Bucks Drop Game 1

[Prez]

Question: where did you stand on swapping in Doc for Griff? Season's not over let's go sign bud.

I was ecstatic when we fired Griffin and I was never a Doc fan but understood our options were limited at the time given it was February. Tried to talk myself into him being fine enough and gave him plenty of passes for a while. Few months ago I had to give up the delusions and accept he's genuinely terrible. And I would be totally on board with a last minute Bud replacement lol.

[ReddoverKobe]

I despise this moron. He is determined to light another prime Giannis season on fire.

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Question: where did you stand on swapping in Doc for Griff? Season's not over let's go sign bud.

I think I made a joke to some friends that it better not be Doc, and here we are.......

[nagawicka]

Just watched the Doc presser. He won't say it but I will. Pass the ball, Giannis.

THIS

Unusual lineups were unexpectedly crisp w/o Giannis and Dame. Never been a fan of Kuzma, but he was dropped into the middle of that and looked better than expected. Passed immediately, involved everybody, and they all looked better. Kuz & Giannis both reverting to form was predictable . .. if not at the same time

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I genuinely want Pat back into the rotation. So much of the playoffs is figuring out who's reliable, leaning on them, culling those who aren't. Gotta shorten your rotations. I don't think Pat's ever laid an egg in the playoffs & came into this one on a heater.

So far you have Giannis, GTJ, KPJ, Green, Lillard, then Pat. That's 6, 1 big. Then the other bigs you just play situationally or hot hands, & you can throw Prince & Kuz into that pot. Giannis & the smalls/shooters is the base you build around. Pick 1 big at a given time to play w/ them.

good post. if we were serious about winning we would not have deep 6'd him all season. hes a proven guy this time of the year especially the last 2 seasons

[Wooderson]

Just watched the Doc presser. He won't say it but I will. Pass the ball, Giannis.

I'm not sure what passing the ball accomplishes with that starting group. They weren't collapsing on Giannis (which is why he scored or got to the FT line nearly every attack in the 1st q). No one else in that group can create off the dribble or can shoot on the move. Who's creating the advantage to benefit from ball movement if Pacers aren't sending help on Giannis?

We're gonna end up with TP dribbling or Kuz throwing up junk.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Just watched the Doc presser. He won't say it but I will. Pass the ball, Giannis.

THIS

Unusual lineups were unexpectedly crisp w/o Giannis and Dame. Never been a fan of Kuzma, but he was dropped into the middle of that and looked better than expected. Passed immediately, involved everybody, and they all looked better. Kuz & Giannis both reverting to form was predictable . .. if not at the same time

doc cant say it and we cant say it......shhhh

[SupremeHustle]

Just watched the Doc presser. He won't say it but I will. Pass the ball, Giannis.

I'm not sure what passing the ball accomplishes with that starting group. They weren't collapsing on Giannis (which is why he scored or got to the FT line nearly every attack in the 1st q). No one else in that group can create off the dribbles or can shoot on the move. Who's creating the advantage to benefit from ball movement if Pacers aren't sending help on Giannis?

Am I trippin or was Giannis seeing doubles damn near all game? I don't think I'm tripping. Is there a nerd stat for this?

Regardless, moving the ball will help Giannis get easier buckets. Make the right play, not the hero play.

[MickeyDavis]

Taurean Prince is Jae Crowder 2.0

I won't stand for the Crowder disrespect.

[slos]

Dame needs to return ASAP. It’s our only hope surviving those Prince/Kuzma lineups which Doc will stubbornly continue to use.

[SupremeHustle]

Did we ever learn what Dame and Haliburton were yapping about?

[Wooderson]

Just watched the Doc presser. He won't say it but I will. Pass the ball, Giannis.

I'm not sure what passing the ball accomplishes with that starting group. They weren't collapsing on Giannis (which is why he scored or got to the FT line nearly every attack in the 1st q). No one else in that group can create off the dribbles or can shoot on the move. Who's creating the advantage to benefit from ball movement if Pacers aren't sending help on Giannis?

Am I trippin or was Giannis seeing doubles damn near all game? I don't think I'm tripping. Is there a nerd stat for this?

Regardless, moving the ball will help Giannis get easier buckets. Make the right play, not the hero play.

Check out the highlights, they mostly only sent help when he was already at the rim. He was killing 1 on 1s in the first half. His buckets *were* easy, I guess that's kinda my point. Like cut out the dumb 3s and he shot 14/21 and I'm pretty sure 2 of those misses were missed tip ins on OREB.

TP and Kuz are inept offensive players with the ball in their hands. Brook is Brook. I just don't see how that starting group gets anything done outside of Giannis going one on one. No one who can dribble/create, no one who can shoot on the move or scares the defense like Green/Trent.

[Karsenmitsche]

Dame needs to return ASAP. It’s our only hope surviving those Prince/Kuzma lineups which Doc will stubbornly continue to use.

Yep Dames creation in that lineup in replace of Rollins would help a lot. Defensively still a nightmare though.

[Baddy Chuck]

Going to be a long few days off .

[yb90]

I'm not sure what passing the ball accomplishes with that starting group. They weren't collapsing on Giannis (which is why he scored or got to the FT line nearly every attack in the 1st q). No one else in that group can create off the dribbles or can shoot on the move. Who's creating the advantage to benefit from ball movement if Pacers aren't sending help on Giannis?

Am I trippin or was Giannis seeing doubles damn near all game? I don't think I'm tripping. Is there a nerd stat for this?

Regardless, moving the ball will help Giannis get easier buckets. Make the right play, not the hero play.

Check out the highlights, they mostly only sent help when he was already at the rim. He was killing 1 on 1s in the first half. His buckets *were* easy, I guess that's kinda my point. Like cut out the dumb 3s and he shot 14/21 and I'm pretty sure 2 of those misses were missed tip ins on OREB.

TP and Kuz are inept offensive players with the ball in their hands. Brook is Brook. I just don't see how that starting group gets anything done outside of Giannis going one on one. No one who can dribble/create, no one who can shoot on the move or scares the defense like Green/Trent.

Bucks were 2-12 on Giannis passes. Sharing the ball is not the problem.

[Bernman]

Dame needs to return ASAP. It’s our only hope surviving those Prince/Kuzma lineups which Doc will stubbornly continue to use.

Yep Dames creation in that lineup in replace of Rollins would help a lot. Defensively still a nightmare though.

It was even worse in the regular season because Prince or Kuz has to guard 1s. In this case it's compounded by Haliburton being their match-up.

So no, I don't think Dame allows you to survive those lineups. You just have to not play them together & some of the individuals much less.

[SupremeHustle]

I'm not sure what passing the ball accomplishes with that starting group. They weren't collapsing on Giannis (which is why he scored or got to the FT line nearly every attack in the 1st q). No one else in that group can create off the dribbles or can shoot on the move. Who's creating the advantage to benefit from ball movement if Pacers aren't sending help on Giannis?

Am I trippin or was Giannis seeing doubles damn near all game? I don't think I'm tripping. Is there a nerd stat for this?

Regardless, moving the ball will help Giannis get easier buckets. Make the right play, not the hero play.

Check out the highlights, they mostly only sent help when he was already at the rim. He was killing 1 on 1s in the first half. His buckets *were* easy, I guess that's kinda my point. Like cut out the dumb 3s and he shot 14/21 and I'm pretty sure 2 of those misses were missed tip ins on OREB.

TP and Kuz are inept offensive players with the ball in their hands. Brook is Brook. I just don't see how that starting group gets anything done outside of Giannis going one on one. No one who can dribble/create, no one who can shoot on the move or scares the defense like Green/Trent.

If the Pacers are going to guard Giannis one-on-one and just hack him with late help, then it goes back to what a lot of us are saying. It's on Doc to do something about that. Giannis should be playing with shooters and being a playmaker for those shooters. Hire Stan Van Gundy right now.

That said, I don't think Giannis' buckets were easy today. I remember a lot of dribble moves and a lot of hard fouls (which should be easy points but alas). Easy to me is a dump-off from KPJ near the hoop, where all Giannis/Brook/Bobby/Sims have to do is lay it in. We had a couple. We can have more.

I don't think we're too far apart in what we saw, and I think we can agree that we looked a lot better when the ball started moving.

[SupremeHustle]

Am I trippin or was Giannis seeing doubles damn near all game? I don't think I'm tripping. Is there a nerd stat for this?

Regardless, moving the ball will help Giannis get easier buckets. Make the right play, not the hero play.

Check out the highlights, they mostly only sent help when he was already at the rim. He was killing 1 on 1s in the first half. His buckets *were* easy, I guess that's kinda my point. Like cut out the dumb 3s and he shot 14/21 and I'm pretty sure 2 of those misses were missed tip ins on OREB.

TP and Kuz are inept offensive players with the ball in their hands. Brook is Brook. I just don't see how that starting group gets anything done outside of Giannis going one on one. No one who can dribble/create, no one who can shoot on the move or scares the defense like Green/Trent.

Bucks were 2-12 on Giannis passes. Sharing the ball is not the problem.

Yeah, see, basketball is a game of flow. Rhythm is huge. Passing the ball with 3 seconds left on the shot clock isn't going to help. Running an offense would, though.

[nagawicka]

Just watched the Doc presser. He won't say it but I will. Pass the ball, Giannis.

I'm not sure what passing the ball accomplishes with that starting group. They weren't collapsing on Giannis (which is why he scored or got to the FT line nearly every attack in the 1st q). No one else in that group can create off the dribble or can shoot on the move. Who's creating the advantage to benefit from ball movement if Pacers aren't sending help on Giannis?

We're gonna end up with TP dribbling or Kuz throwing up junk.

Every NBA team should *never* depend on that sort of 'collapsing on G' dynamic, because capable rosters use standard ball movement to eliminate any need to go that repeatedly failed route. It's a failed method. How many times did Giannis dribble into traffic, get tangled up in 3 or 4 guys, fall down, lose the ball? Should never, ever happen. The MORE the other 6 guys score in double digits, the LESS exhausted/beaten down Giannis will be, the MORE effective Giannis will be. Just putting up 36 solo points is useless. To His CREDIT, Giannis's assists are way up, today not so much. He was smiling at KPJ's going off the other day, but was way off all day.

[paulpressey25]

We are who we thought we were.

But we aren’t playing the 2012 Heat. Game 2 is a clean start.

[rilamann]

Did we ever learn what Dame and Haliburton were yapping about?

Tastes great vs less filling.