OT: Vivek does it again… this time to Monte McNair

[mowcrowbar]

He probably thought Not Like Us would bring him more ticket sales with Droz back in Cali.

[Pointgod]

GMing isn't easy in the league. They had a good year but Sabonis/Fox/Murray probably weren't gonna lead to any real contendership, but it's hard to break that up after a feel-good year, but the window from decent to legit is that tight. Even if they dumped Murray for Pascal or OG I doubt that makes any real difference as well.

That being said, adding DeMar and Lavine as the alternative plan was dumb as hell and now they'll be more hard-pressed to dig themselves out of that hole trying to deal all those expensive regular season players as they probably try to rebuild around Devin Carter/Murray and I guess Keon Ellis? Not much there, unfortunately.

That also being said, I think it's a cautionary tale that this front office should be aware of as they navigate the same path. They'll have hard choices to make as they get back to real contendership and we can only hope they make the right ones.

Being a GM in the new NBA is pretty simple. The middle is the worst place to be stuck in. If you don’t have a top 10-15 player and don’t have the assets to trade for one then you need to rebuild that asset base.

I’m pretty sure if you go look at the thread of Derozan from the summer lots of posters pointed out that it wouldn’t work. Not only are you bringing in a guy that needs the ball in his hands, you’re stunting the growth of Keegan Murray without addressing the defensive issues. Then they doubled down by trading Fox for Lavine. This was a predictable outcome for the Kings’ season.

[Zeno]

There are so few of these absolutely horrendous ownership/gm opportunities left for teams to take advantage of compared to a decade ago. Teams will always make bad moves, but teams like the Kings that good teams can call and cash in on reliably are disappearing. And some of them are fully tapped out like Ishbia’s Suns. Kind of makes me sad.

[Brinbe]

GMing isn't easy in the league. They had a good year but Sabonis/Fox/Murray probably weren't gonna lead to any real contendership, but it's hard to break that up after a feel-good year, but the window from decent to legit is that tight. Even if they dumped Murray for Pascal or OG I doubt that makes any real difference as well.

That being said, adding DeMar and Lavine as the alternative plan was dumb as hell and now they'll be more hard-pressed to dig themselves out of that hole trying to deal all those expensive regular season players as they probably try to rebuild around Devin Carter/Murray and I guess Keon Ellis? Not much there, unfortunately.

That also being said, I think it's a cautionary tale that this front office should be aware of as they navigate the same path. They'll have hard choices to make as they get back to real contendership and we can only hope they make the right ones.

Being a GM in the new NBA is pretty simple. The middle is the worst place to be stuck in. If you don’t have a top 10-15 player and don’t have the assets to trade for one then you need to rebuild that asset base.

I’m pretty sure if you go look at the thread of Derozan from the summer lots of posters pointed out that it wouldn’t work. Not only are you bringing in a guy that needs the ball in his hands, you’re stunting the growth of Keegan Murray without addressing the defensive issues. Then they doubled down by trading Fox for Lavine. This was a predictable outcome for the Kings’ season.

Yes, but not all GMs/execs have the job security to just outright be bad for years on end like an Ainge. And everyone is stuck in the middle. If OKC doesn't win this year the pressure on Presti will grow too.

[C_Money]

That’s gotta be super frustrating if you’re a Kings fan. It’s not like you can just fire the owner.

[Westside Gunn]

The NBA also can't screen owners because not everyone has billions ready to buy a NBA team. So they give it to **** like Vivek, Adelson and the Sterlings.

It's kind of like the Raptors ownership being too involved in the basketball ops and decision making during the VC/Babcock era. Then they learned their lesson to allow basketball minds to make their decision.

[Pointgod]

GMing isn't easy in the league. They had a good year but Sabonis/Fox/Murray probably weren't gonna lead to any real contendership, but it's hard to break that up after a feel-good year, but the window from decent to legit is that tight. Even if they dumped Murray for Pascal or OG I doubt that makes any real difference as well.

That being said, adding DeMar and Lavine as the alternative plan was dumb as hell and now they'll be more hard-pressed to dig themselves out of that hole trying to deal all those expensive regular season players as they probably try to rebuild around Devin Carter/Murray and I guess Keon Ellis? Not much there, unfortunately.

That also being said, I think it's a cautionary tale that this front office should be aware of as they navigate the same path. They'll have hard choices to make as they get back to real contendership and we can only hope they make the right ones.

Being a GM in the new NBA is pretty simple. The middle is the worst place to be stuck in. If you don’t have a top 10-15 player and don’t have the assets to trade for one then you need to rebuild that asset base.

I’m pretty sure if you go look at the thread of Derozan from the summer lots of posters pointed out that it wouldn’t work. Not only are you bringing in a guy that needs the ball in his hands, you’re stunting the growth of Keegan Murray without addressing the defensive issues. Then they doubled down by trading Fox for Lavine. This was a predictable outcome for the Kings’ season.

Yes, but not all GMs/execs have the job security to just outright be bad for years on end like an Ainge. And everyone is stuck in the middle. If OKC doesn't win this year the pressure on Presti will grow too.

It’s the front offices’ job to sell ownership on a plan and vision. You don’t have to be outright bad for years, any GM that’s halfway competent at drafting could spend 3 years in the lottery and come out with the core of high ceiling team.

Remember the Kings have tried to short cut and build from the middle for decades and I think had one playoff birth in the past 18 years!

[HoopAndTheHarm]

Man could you imagine having an idiot like Vivek or Ishbia as an owner, good grief.

Posters on this board want ^this guy^ to fire Masai and hand pick his replacement....

He shouldn't be allowed to put on velcro strap shoes by himself, much less make sports franchise decisions. The smartest thing he can do is ensure he has competent people (via evaluation by an outside expert organization) and then keep his hands the **** off.

[deck]

GMing isn't easy in the league. They had a good year but Sabonis/Fox/Murray probably weren't gonna lead to any real contendership, but it's hard to break that up after a feel-good year, but the window from decent to legit is that tight. Even if they dumped Murray for Pascal or OG I doubt that makes any real difference as well.

That being said, adding DeMar and Lavine as the alternative plan was dumb as hell and now they'll be more hard-pressed to dig themselves out of that hole trying to deal all those expensive regular season players as they probably try to rebuild around Devin Carter/Murray and I guess Keon Ellis? Not much there, unfortunately.

That also being said, I think it's a cautionary tale that this front office should be aware of as they navigate the same path. They'll have hard choices to make as they get back to real contendership and we can only hope they make the right ones.

Being a GM in the new NBA is pretty simple. The middle is the worst place to be stuck in. If you don’t have a top 10-15 player and don’t have the assets to trade for one then you need to rebuild that asset base.

I’m pretty sure if you go look at the thread of Derozan from the summer lots of posters pointed out that it wouldn’t work. Not only are you bringing in a guy that needs the ball in his hands, you’re stunting the growth of Keegan Murray without addressing the defensive issues. Then they doubled down by trading Fox for Lavine. This was a predictable outcome for the Kings’ season.

It's simple if you discount all the things that make it complicated, like having ownership that perhaps isn't ok with rebuilding again.

[bboyskinnylegs]

[Pointgod]

GMing isn't easy in the league. They had a good year but Sabonis/Fox/Murray probably weren't gonna lead to any real contendership, but it's hard to break that up after a feel-good year, but the window from decent to legit is that tight. Even if they dumped Murray for Pascal or OG I doubt that makes any real difference as well.

That being said, adding DeMar and Lavine as the alternative plan was dumb as hell and now they'll be more hard-pressed to dig themselves out of that hole trying to deal all those expensive regular season players as they probably try to rebuild around Devin Carter/Murray and I guess Keon Ellis? Not much there, unfortunately.

That also being said, I think it's a cautionary tale that this front office should be aware of as they navigate the same path. They'll have hard choices to make as they get back to real contendership and we can only hope they make the right ones.

Being a GM in the new NBA is pretty simple. The middle is the worst place to be stuck in. If you don’t have a top 10-15 player and don’t have the assets to trade for one then you need to rebuild that asset base.

I’m pretty sure if you go look at the thread of Derozan from the summer lots of posters pointed out that it wouldn’t work. Not only are you bringing in a guy that needs the ball in his hands, you’re stunting the growth of Keegan Murray without addressing the defensive issues. Then they doubled down by trading Fox for Lavine. This was a predictable outcome for the Kings’ season.

It's simple if you discount all the things that make it complicated, like having ownership that perhaps isn't ok with rebuilding again.

Your job as a GM is to sell ownership on a vision and a plan to actually be a contender through rebuilding. No ownership really wants to rebuild but you have to convince them to get out of their own way in some cases.

[deck]

Being a GM in the new NBA is pretty simple. The middle is the worst place to be stuck in. If you don’t have a top 10-15 player and don’t have the assets to trade for one then you need to rebuild that asset base.

I’m pretty sure if you go look at the thread of Derozan from the summer lots of posters pointed out that it wouldn’t work. Not only are you bringing in a guy that needs the ball in his hands, you’re stunting the growth of Keegan Murray without addressing the defensive issues. Then they doubled down by trading Fox for Lavine. This was a predictable outcome for the Kings’ season.

It's simple if you discount all the things that make it complicated, like having ownership that perhaps isn't ok with rebuilding again.

Your job as a GM is to sell ownership on a vision and a plan to actually be a contender through rebuilding. No ownership really wants to rebuild but you have to convince them to get out of their own way in some cases.

No, your job as GM is to make the franchise money.

You think it is simple to convince an ownership group to purposefully loose money for several seasons on the random chance that maybe it results in success 5 years later? Lol.