PG: KNICKS Take Game 1

[Riot Randolph]

In a future year I’d love to see a goga beef stew matchup

I don’t know why, but i thought Stewart was a lot bigger, Mitch and kat dwarfed him

Yeah they lack height ….duren is massive reminds me of a young Dwight Howard

[thebuzzardman]

the only nuance i'd point out is that he, like any ball dominant offensive star, needs to stay disciplined about his shot selection. running hail mary jumpers at the top of the shotclock aren't part of the high IQ brunson bag that we've come to love. it's not that he shouldn't be aggressive and treating himself as the primary option. it's just that if the shot isn't there, moving the ball is better than throwing away the possession

Totally fair.

But people are expecting him to be CP3 when he's Charlie Ward with Kobe's bag.

Nobody is expecting him to be CP3. Nobody has ever said that. That is a ridiculous strawman argument. And CP3 chokes the life out of the ball , too. He just gives you the grenade pass instead of shooting. I just want him to get off the ball more and play faster so we can incorporate everybody.

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Me too. Wouldn’t that be a coaching issue?

[Clyde_Style]

Horrible people

misery loves misery.

anyway, yesterday in front of the big bodega we celebrated the spirit of fighting until the final horn.

there is a bean pie for knicksgod in the fridge, as promised. already paid for.

[Jalen Bluntson]

This is also Brunson. It waa him at Villanova. It waa him in Dallas (he waa just off the ball because of Luka.) He can whatever he wants with the ball. He chooses to score. If you celebrate it in wins you have to live with it in losses. We don't do that, though.

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Brunson has weaknesses but your consistent insinuation that he's a selfish player isn't fair. He's not an elite passer. He's elite in iso situations and at drawing the defense, protecting the ball, and making the right reads/plays but I'd have Kolek and Hart as better pure passers on the team. Towns at some facets. He's not great at feeding the post, throwing the lob, and his passing creativity isn't that high. He mostly makes basic reads and is decent in the PnR. So he shouldn't usually be playing the Rajon Rondo or John Stockton role unless easy passes are available to him.

That's fair and fine. He is selfish. He looks for himself first. Luka is selfish. MJ was selfish. Kobe. AI.

It is a strength and a weakness. He is not immune from criticism. People complaining about the lack of pick and rolls, the slowness of the offence, the lack of KAT touches, etc are blaming JB without wanting to.



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He's the number one option. One of the best three level clutch scorers in the game. You want him to pass more. He passes a lot. He is also being told to get his, protect the ball, keep others involved. He does an amazing job at all three. 7th in scoring and 8th in assists in the entire league when he got hurt.

Here's a clue.....

Selfish: adjective. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. Synonyms: self-interested, stingy, parsimonious, illiberal, egoistic, self-seeking. characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives.

[prophet_of_rage]

In a future year I’d love to see a goga beef stew matchup

I don’t know why, but i thought Stewart was a lot bigger, Mitch and kat dwarfed him

Stewart is Precious-sized just strong and crazy.

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[thebuzzardman]

Parsimonious P

[robillionaire]

Being an all star score first point guard and doing what you’re supposed to do in that role and trying to score isn’t any kind of unreasonable selfishness it’s just doing what you’re supposed to do

Same if Towns throws up an ill advised shot. His primary role is to get buckets. They’re both pretty efficient for what they do even if they take an ill advised shot here and there, they’re also capable of making difficult shots, and you have to just let your stars be stars and live with it

I get more frustrated when the players who are not all star offensive juggernauts force things

[prophet_of_rage]

Brunson has weaknesses but your consistent insinuation that he's a selfish player isn't fair. He's not an elite passer. He's elite in iso situations and at drawing the defense, protecting the ball, and making the right reads/plays but I'd have Kolek and Hart as better pure passers on the team. Towns at some facets. He's not great at feeding the post, throwing the lob, and his passing creativity isn't that high. He mostly makes basic reads and is decent in the PnR. So he shouldn't usually be playing the Rajon Rondo or John Stockton role unless easy passes are available to him.

That's fair and fine. He is selfish. He looks for himself first. Luka is selfish. MJ was selfish. Kobe. AI.

It is a strength and a weakness. He is not immune from criticism. People complaining about the lack of pick and rolls, the slowness of the offence, the lack of KAT touches, etc are blaming JB without wanting to.



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He's the number one option. One of the best three level clutch scorers in the game. You want him to pass more. He passes a lot. He is also being told to get his, protect the ball, keep others involved. He does an amazing job at all three. 7th in scoring and 8th in assists in the entire league when he got hurt.

Here's a clue.....

Selfish: adjective. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. Synonyms: self-interested, stingy, parsimonious, illiberal, egoistic, self-seeking. characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives.

Jalen Brunson is self-seeking. Happy?

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[Clyde_Style]

Totally fair.

But people are expecting him to be CP3 when he's Charlie Ward with Kobe's bag.

Nobody is expecting him to be CP3. Nobody has ever said that. That is a ridiculous strawman argument. And CP3 chokes the life out of the ball , too. He just gives you the grenade pass instead of shooting. I just want him to get off the ball more and play faster so we can incorporate everybody.

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Me too. Wouldn’t that be a coaching issue?

These are indeed small incremental adjustments a coach can instill. It does not require Brunson radically changing the character of his game.

For instance, prioritizing pace can be implemented in numerous ways based on things like offensive rebounding duties, outlet players heading upcourt, passing the ball upcourt instead of Brunson dribbling upcourt, guys sprinting to open shot positions, whatever a team does to get a good look before the defense sets.

HOWEVER, that is hard to sustain when your five starters are the top 5 in MPG in the whole NBA in the first months of the season.

Thibs natural inclinations mitigate his ability to implement the things that require higher levels of exertion from the players.

People say Thibs gets maximum effort from the players and he's a grinder, but that is not entirely accurate, because players who know they could be playing 40 minutes that night do hold back earlier in the game. And sometimes, as we saw in some of our more brutal losses this season, they have nothing left in the tank to go to 5th gear at clutch time.

You're just not going to get all of that out of Thibs. You need a coach who prioritizes giving the bench more minutes earlier in the season to create that kind of pace for more of the game. You see other top teams doing this, but not Thibs.

[robillionaire]

Totally fair.

But people are expecting him to be CP3 when he's Charlie Ward with Kobe's bag.

Nobody is expecting him to be CP3. Nobody has ever said that. That is a ridiculous strawman argument. And CP3 chokes the life out of the ball , too. He just gives you the grenade pass instead of shooting. I just want him to get off the ball more and play faster so we can incorporate everybody.

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Me too. Wouldn’t that be a coaching issue?

Yes it’s 100% a coaching issue that we have an all star starter PG who is one of the best playoff performers in NBA history and he led us to a game 1 victory. This is all on the coach

[Fury]

I don’t know how anyone can argue or complain about anything right now. We got the win. It’s the playoffs. It won’t be pretty or perfect. Just get the job done.

[Besart19]

Too many missused players... we have enough talent to be the highest scoring team in the league even with our lack of an more ptempo game

[Clyde_Style]

beautiful basketball.

At one point of the game he was barking at someone. I cant recall ever seeing og do that sht. Seen him bully people and piss em off. But I've never seen him talk. Maybe them running their mouth got him feeling away. Look forward to see him making cade life he'll the rest of this series

nah bro gets feisty w the best of them

OG started taking it to the rack with attitude about 6 weeks ago

Now he's adding a good amount of stepback jumpers from mid-range

He's starting to score from everywhere on the floor

I don't think we expected OG to be a legit scoring threat, but that's what we're seeing these days

Quoting myself here, because I woke realizing this was validating my analysis of OG's game from earlier in this season.

In a nutshell, OG's at full strength now. He definitely was not in the same physical condition from month # 2 to about six weeks ago.

I had said he had some kind of weakness in his joints which had him collapsing at the knees multiple times a game.

The guy is built like a brick house, but looks can be deceiving. OG lacked stamina and the full strength he needed to be as athletic on propulsive offensive moves as he wanted to be.

His drives are now more powerful and dominating. He has the push/jump in his knees now to do a strong step-back to unleash his mid-range jumpers. He simply did not have that strength in his legs and his knees before. Maybe it was knee issues, but it largely appears to have been structural in nature, i.e. the coordinated strength in his whole frame required to make those pushing motions without collapsing into a heap like he was doing before.

He's at full strength now. OG at mid-season was not the same due to stamina and some level of physical conditioning he still required. You could see it in some games where he'd have bursts early in the game, but if he was out there more than 30 minutes his ability on offense would disappear. OG is a guy who needs to be well-tuned with a full gas tank to hit the levels he's hitting now.

While is a mostly frivolous exercise to pick one player when all are needed to succeed, but I do think he is the key to how far we go this season.

In sum, OG at full strength is one scary MF.

[robillionaire]

Too many missused players... we have enough talent to be the highest scoring team in the league even with our lack of an more ptempo game

Well we scored 123 pts which was more than any of the other 7 teams who played last night scored

[robillionaire]

I don’t know how anyone can argue or complain about anything right now. We got the win. It’s the playoffs. It won’t be pretty or perfect. Just get the job done.

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He can't guard the whole team. If you stop Brunson, you still have 4 other guys to worry about. Team can score without Brunson too.

[Capn'O]

Being an all star score first point guard and doing what you’re supposed to do in that role and trying to score isn’t any kind of unreasonable selfishness it’s just doing what you’re supposed to do

Same if Towns throws up an ill advised shot. His primary role is to get buckets. They’re both pretty efficient for what they do even if they take an ill advised shot here and there, they’re also capable of making difficult shots, and you have to just let your stars be stars and live with it

I get more frustrated when the players who are not all star offensive juggernauts force things

Right. And more to the point if Brunson played differently we wouldn't be the beneficiaries. A player is only labeled selfish if they can play a different way that would help a team more but they don't.

Like Marbury did.

Also, he let's Hart and previously Randle play on the ball plenty.

[Buttah304]

I remember being in my 20s and making fun of Jennifer connelly's eyebrows and one of my older friends disgustedly called me a fcking idiot for talking sht about a baddie over something stupid like eyebrows. Point is, thats what this brunson slander reminds me of. Its ridiculous nitpicking of a baddie.

Slandering Jennifer Connelly is flat out evil. Especially in your younger years you should have recalled her in career opportunities and the hot spot. You might have ruined my Sunday

[prophet_of_rage]

Nobody is expecting him to be CP3. Nobody has ever said that. That is a ridiculous strawman argument. And CP3 chokes the life out of the ball , too. He just gives you the grenade pass instead of shooting. I just want him to get off the ball more and play faster so we can incorporate everybody.

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Me too. Wouldn’t that be a coaching issue?

Yes it’s 100% a coaching issue that we have an all star starter PG who is one of the best playoff performers in NBA history and he led us to a game 1 victory. This is all on the coach

This is the quandary. Thibs allows JB to be this. Nobody wants to complain about JB so they complain about Thibs. But if Thibs changes JB then there was obviously something to complain about. But we can't complain about JB. And we kerp going around in circles.

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[Buttah304]

Being an all star score first point guard and doing what you’re supposed to do in that role and trying to score isn’t any kind of unreasonable selfishness it’s just doing what you’re supposed to do

Same if Towns throws up an ill advised shot. His primary role is to get buckets. They’re both pretty efficient for what they do even if they take an ill advised shot here and there, they’re also capable of making difficult shots, and you have to just let your stars be stars and live with it

I get more frustrated when the players who are not all star offensive juggernauts force things

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