BobbieL wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:Although I'm not in favor of trading Beal and attaching assets to do it because were already depleted and that would cripple our already very limited flexibility even longer. IF Ishbia were hellbent on trading Beal (as he's already shown to not recognize the value of the draft or picks).
I would promote a Beal CLE 1st to Chicago (providing Beal would be amenable to being traded) for Ball/ Vucevic/filler package.
Then I would follow it up with a KD trade to Orlando for KCP/ Isaac/ Bidatze/ Harris ($ 7 million expiring)/ ORL 25' 1st (16th pick)/ ORL 28' 1st package. Then I'd trade Allen to Charlotte for Grant Williams/ CHO 25' 2nd/ NOP 25' 2nd. The 2nds are more important than Allen here because they'll provide to young, athletic, cost-controlled positional depth pieces.
16th pick- Yaxel Lendeborg. Budget Adebayo.
29th pick- Adou Thiero. OG Anunoby.
53rd pick- John Tonje. Devin Booker 2.0
That'd give us a roster of:
Ball/ Booker / Isaac/ Durant/ Vucevic.
Paul/ KCP/ Dunn/ Aldama/ Bidatze.
Gillespie/ Tonje/ Thiero/ Freeman/ Ighodaro.
G League development (3 two - way contracts)1- Yaxel Lendeborg. Adebayo.
2- Donnie Freeman. Budget Durant ( 6'11).
3- ** Obinna Anochili Killen. Camara 2.0
Pretty sure the filler for the Bulls trade would be PWill and he expires in 2029. So basically like stretching Beal but you get a player for that $18m instead of nothing.
My guess, the Bulls would keep Ball and substitute Smith since he expires a year later. Bulls would get a FRP and a huge expiring. Granted with Ball and Vucevic they have expirings in 2026 so I doubt they want to push that a year later just to move off of PWill for one FRP
I like the Grayson Allen trade for Grant Williams for sure - again would the Hornets do it since Allen expires a year later.
Well, I wouldn't do this trade without Ball being included! He's a key inclusionary piece for me in this trade. And even though I would probably take back P Williams to get Ball/ Vucevic, I'd also demand two 2nds in return for taking his long term salary that no one wants.
The Cleveland 1st is the value for taking on Beal, but taking back Williams money equals out most of the value gap as his 18 million runs 2 years longer or basically (or $36 million) more were taking back. And Beal's expiring would provide significantly more cap space to them not only cumulatively, but by getting off of Williams ' 18 million in trade 2 yrs early.
Ball- 10 million.
Vucevic- 21 million.
So between the two, they'd only get maybe 31 million in cap space but still only have 5 players under contract and have to reach the 15 player minimum threshold. But getting Beal while dumping P Williams 18 million in the deal would clear 48 million and give them over 57 million in the loaded 27 free agency that I've mentioned ad nauseam.
That additional value/ savings is where the additional 2nd would be required to offset the value gap in cap savings/ space. And I absolutely think they'd do the trade to get a premier back court running partner to pair with Giddey. and also tank the next two years while setting themselves up with massive cap space for 27 free agency.
And Charlotte would very likely do the Allen for Grant Williams trade because he's not played at all since his turn ACL. So his value is just not close to Allen's. Also they have multiple defensive wings with Josh Green, Josh Okogie, Wendell Moore, Daequan Jefferies,
etc on the roster. But severely lack 3 point shooting/ floor spacing acumen which is Allen's bread and butter.
They'll already have a top 4 pick too, so losing two 2nds won't make them flinch at all because they really need vets more now to try and start being competitive!
