Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[MasterGMer]

Yeah apparently the Suns will offer him a 2-year 150 million dollar extension.

Most likely Suns outcome IMO, is swapping KD for different fitting pieces, keeping Booker and trying to win while they don't own their picks, even if that means being a play-in level team for a couple of years.

Could things change and Booker say he doesn't want to stick with the team? Very possible, crazier things have happened.

I think the Suns are keeping Booker. And KD is available. But many of you are not entertaining the idea of getting him.

getting who? KD? Sure, if the price is right.

Besides getting an alpha scorer, I think we need to figure out the cast around Franz and Paolo better. There is no offense outside those two today

[mattdelray1220]

I think the Suns are keeping Booker. And KD is available. But many of you are not entertaining the idea of getting him.

getting who? KD? Sure, if the price is right.

Besides getting an alpha scorer, I think we need to figure out the cast around Franz and Paolo better. There is no offense outside those two today

Tyus Jones and Cam Johnson are the guys.

Can sign Tyus and Trade for Cam pretty easily. JI Jett and Denver pick gets him. Tyus gives AB another year off the bench to get right because eventually he will be the starter.

Tyus AB
Suggs KCP
Franz DaSilva/Caleb
Paolo/Cam
WCJ/Moe/Goga

We get our 2 energy guys back with Suggs and Moe and add 2 40%+ shooters while still giving AB/Tristan/Caleb time to grow. Defense takes a small hit but Suggs KCP AB Franz do the trick.

[Skybox]

getting who? KD? Sure, if the price is right.

Besides getting an alpha scorer, I think we need to figure out the cast around Franz and Paolo better. There is no offense outside those two today

Tyus Jones and Cam Johnson are the guys.

Can sign Tyus and Trade for Cam pretty easily. JI Jett and Denver pick gets him. Tyus gives AB another year off the bench to get right because eventually he will be the starter.

Tyus AB
Suggs KCP
Franz DaSilva/Caleb
Paolo/Cam
WCJ/Moe/Goga

We get our 2 energy guys back with Suggs and Moe and add 2 40%+ shooters while still giving AB/Tristan/Caleb time to grow. Defense takes a small hit but Suggs KCP AB Franz do the trick.

Put that offer for Cam out on the General Trade Board and enjoy all the love you'll receive from across the league

[MasterGMer]

getting who? KD? Sure, if the price is right.

Besides getting an alpha scorer, I think we need to figure out the cast around Franz and Paolo better. There is no offense outside those two today

Tyus Jones and Cam Johnson are the guys.

Can sign Tyus and Trade for Cam pretty easily. JI Jett and Denver pick gets him. Tyus gives AB another year off the bench to get right because eventually he will be the starter.

Tyus AB
Suggs KCP
Franz DaSilva/Caleb
Paolo/Cam
WCJ/Moe/Goga

We get our 2 energy guys back with Suggs and Moe and add 2 40%+ shooters while still giving AB/Tristan/Caleb time to grow. Defense takes a small hit but Suggs KCP AB Franz do the trick.

I know for sure 100% those two signing and trade will make us much better. But I think the issue is are we content with being marginally better or incrementally better without being good enough to contend for a Championship. Why? For one, we'd use our assets. Two, there are other opportunities there that could get us there.

So I think, yeah, for sure, Tyus Jones is exactly the PG we need. Plus Cam Johnson is a perfect wing along side Franz and Paolo. But will Weltman pull the trigger? Idk and I don't think so

[thelead]

I'm a big Tyus fan but he can't be the permanent fix to our guard situation. We need more from the other starting guard spot. Weltman needs to figure out how to get something like this done this summer:

Kessler (or draft similar profile? I don't see one though)/Mo/Goga
Paolo/JI
Franz/Houstan
Suggs/AB
Jerome/Tyus/Walter Clayton Jr

[basketballRob]

Tyus is much smaller than Cole.

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If Weltman actually decides this is the offseason to make big boy changes, then he has a LOT of work to do.

He has painted himself, again, into the corner by forgoing decisions over the course of many seasons.

He doesn’t even need to acquire a bunch of 1A or 1B replacement starters with huge multi player trades. He just needs to find specific skillsets that make sense next to Paolo/Franz. And no, that’s not necessarily just shooting. Shooting is a pre-requisite. It isn’t the only skill-set.

It’s obvious Orlando needs players that can move the ball, and create shots, without sacrificing defense. Paolo and Franz cannot be the entire offense. The “by committee” approach only works when you have a capable system. Orlando has no system. Their current “system” is stand around and watch Paolo or Franz dance to the basket. That doesn’t work against defenses that are above average that know what they’re doing.

[OrlandoNed]

If Weltman actually decides this is the offseason to make big boy changes, then he has a LOT of work to do.

He has painted himself, again, into the corner by forgoing decisions over the course of many seasons.

He doesn’t even need to acquire a bunch of 1A or 1B replacement starters with huge multi player trades. He just needs to find specific skillsets that make sense next to Paolo/Franz. And no, that’s not necessarily just shooting. Shooting is a pre-requisite. It isn’t the only skill-set.

It’s obvious Orlando needs players that can move the ball, and create shots, without sacrificing defense. Paolo and Franz cannot be the entire offense. The “by committee” approach only works when you have a capable system. Orlando has no system. Their current “system” is stand around and watch Paolo or Franz dance to the basket. That doesn’t work against defenses that are above average.

Hate to break it to you, but defense will have to be sacrificed.

We have a top 3 defense, we can afford to let that slip a bit to get our offense out of the basement.

[MasterGMer]

If Weltman actually decides this is the offseason to make big boy changes, then he has a LOT of work to do.

He has painted himself, again, into the corner by forgoing decisions over the course of many seasons.

He doesn’t even need to acquire a bunch of 1A or 1B replacement starters with huge multi player trades. He just needs to find specific skillsets that make sense next to Paolo/Franz. And no, that’s not necessarily just shooting. Shooting is a pre-requisite. It isn’t the only skill-set.

It’s obvious Orlando needs players that can move the ball, and create shots, without sacrificing defense. Paolo and Franz cannot be the entire offense. The “by committee” approach only works when you have a capable system. Orlando has no system. Their current “system” is stand around and watch Paolo or Franz dance to the basket. That doesn’t work against defenses that are above average that know what they’re doing.

I agree, we need to figure out the cast around Franz and Paolo. And before that, in this series, I really think Cole/Wendell and AB needs to step up big time. If they keep playing like today, I do not care how awesome Franz and Paolo are, we'd have no chance in this series.

Do we need another alpha scorer if this season comes to an end? Yes and No. Lakers has 3 players who can do that. Luka, Bron and Austin Reeves. Golden State has Steph and Jimmy plus Draymond as the defensive anchor. Yes, we also have teams like OKC who has SGA and Jalen Williams plus several more young guys. Boston has more than Tatum and Brown, plus today showed it was actually White and Prichard who won the game for them.

As of the anchor for the offense, we have that in Franz plus Paolo and since Jalen Suggs, our 3rd option, is out, we really need Cole, Wendell and AB to step up.

If this season comes to an end, this Magic team really needs to figure out the cast around Franz and Paolo if we want to advance further and win.

An interesting offseason. But before that, I hope we win several more games...

[Skybox]

Who’s the next Ty Jerome? Whose bench is he hidden on…waiting to get his shot?
Who could we trade for and hand the keys to? Who has a gear yet undiscovered?

I love Nembhard, but IND does too…even if as an accessory to Haliburton
Nikola Topic is a big time prospect but OKC is contending NOW
Tre Mann in Lamelo’s shadow…same for Nick Smith (AB’s college running mate)
TJ McConnell has been solid for a decade…could he do more?
Could Tyler Kolek be better and Thibs hates kids? Would NY prefer a higher floor/proven vet like CoJo for immediate safe minutes?
Is Davion Mitchell ready for a breakout? Does MIA not see it?
Any way to steal Jared McCain while PHI is spinning out over Embiid & George? Is he too much like Maxey to pair with him?
If WAS gets Harper is AJ Johnson the forgotten one after Bub? (Take a look at AJ…crazy athlete)
Is Monte Morris ready to be discovered again? What happened to Micic?

You know the great orgs like SAS and OKC KNOW what they have but who is SAC or CHA or PHX or WAS sleeping on? Who is DEN or NY or MIL reluctant to play because they only trust vets?

We need to unearth our own Ty Jerome rather than overpay for a proven solid guy that doesn’t have any room for growth- like we did with KCP. Simons and McCollum have always had a PG in-house, are they ready to display more playmaking?

I wish I had faith that Weltman could see something other GMs don’t, select a target and pay what feels like too much - only to unveil a stud who was underutilized or miscast…but I don’t. Maybe the Fultz experiment scared him. Maybe the CoJo experiment will give him some confidence to take another bigger swing.

[VFX]

If Weltman actually decides this is the offseason to make big boy changes, then he has a LOT of work to do.

He has painted himself, again, into the corner by forgoing decisions over the course of many seasons.

He doesn’t even need to acquire a bunch of 1A or 1B replacement starters with huge multi player trades. He just needs to find specific skillsets that make sense next to Paolo/Franz. And no, that’s not necessarily just shooting. Shooting is a pre-requisite. It isn’t the only skill-set.

It’s obvious Orlando needs players that can move the ball, and create shots, without sacrificing defense. Paolo and Franz cannot be the entire offense. The “by committee” approach only works when you have a capable system. Orlando has no system. Their current “system” is stand around and watch Paolo or Franz dance to the basket. That doesn’t work against defenses that are above average.

Hate to break it to you, but defense will have to be sacrificed.

We have a top 3 defense, we can afford to let that slip a bit to get our offense out of the basement.

Suggs, Paolo, and Franz will all be starting, or should be.

KCP only works in a refined system. He’s a “system” guy. I have no problem with him coming off the bench. Orlando’s offense is too stagnant for him to be utilized the same way Denver did.

Point guard is the most glaringly obvious position to upgrade. If defense is sacrificed there, then so be it.

Carter should be moved. He is a bench player due to his IQ and inconsistency.

Not sure where else they can help the starting lineup. Moving KCP to the bench with AB should give it some kind of boost when Moe comes back.

[RichCollab]

If Weltman actually decides this is the offseason to make big boy changes, then he has a LOT of work to do.

He has painted himself, again, into the corner by forgoing decisions over the course of many seasons.

He doesn’t even need to acquire a bunch of 1A or 1B replacement starters with huge multi player trades. He just needs to find specific skillsets that make sense next to Paolo/Franz. And no, that’s not necessarily just shooting. Shooting is a pre-requisite. It isn’t the only skill-set.

It’s obvious Orlando needs players that can move the ball, and create shots, without sacrificing defense. Paolo and Franz cannot be the entire offense. The “by committee” approach only works when you have a capable system. Orlando has no system. Their current “system” is stand around and watch Paolo or Franz dance to the basket. That doesn’t work against defenses that are above average.

Hate to break it to you, but defense will have to be sacrificed.

We have a top 3 defense, we can afford to let that slip a bit to get our offense out of the basement.

Corey plays good defense?

[Knightro]

The play IMO is using some combination of Cole, Jett, Harris, Da Silva and multiple first round picks to acquire a lead guard. Once that's done, then you can focus on upgrading the center spot overall.

Starters: Lead Guard, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, Center
Backups: Black, KCP, Houstan, Isaac, Center

[basketballRob]

The play IMO is using some combination of Cole, Jett, Harris, Da Silva and multiple first round picks to acquire a lead guard. Once that's done, then you can focus on upgrading the center spot overall.

Starters: Lead Guard, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, Center
Backups: Black, KCP, Houstan, Isaac, Center

I thought we could just trade Cole, Jett, and Harris for CJ Mccollum. He has one more season on his deal. Even if he walked, it would be worth it for one season. That would give us room to add our draft picks. If he agreed to a 2 year 30m extension, then bring him back. If not, we'd have room to sign a mle player.

Simons would be an FA. You could throw the mle at him.

The problem with giving up a bunch of assets for a player like Simons is that it may not work. The Pelicans gave up 2 firsts, Daniels, Nance, and Zeller for Dejounte Murray. He then tore his Achilles. Now Murray has had an acl and Achilles. He's not going to be good now. Griffin got canned, and they're back in rebuild mode.

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The play IMO is using some combination of Cole, Jett, Harris, Da Silva and multiple first round picks to acquire a lead guard. Once that's done, then you can focus on upgrading the center spot overall.

Starters: Lead Guard, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, Center
Backups: Black, KCP, Houstan, Isaac, Center

I thought we could just trade Cole, Jett, and Harris for CJ Mccollum. He has one more season on his deal. Even if he walked, it would be worth it for one season. That would give us room to add our draft picks. If he agreed to a 2 year 30m extension, then bring him back. If not, we'd have room to sign a mle player.

Simons would be an FA. You could throw the mle at him.

The problem with giving up a bunch of assets for a player like Simons is that it may not work. The Pelicans gave up 2 firsts, Daniels, Nance, and Zeller for Dejounte Murray. He then tore his Achilles. Now Murray has had an acl and Achilles. He's not going to be good now. Griffin got canned, and they're back in rebuild mode.

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No on McCollum.

Orlando isn’t competing for a championship. They are developing their offense around their two main guys trying to find what will work in the future.

Acquiring McCollum for assets right now is plugging a boat with your finger to get across the ocean. He retires or walks and they are back at square one attempting to find someone to develop and grow a system with those young guys.

I’m fine with Simons if the asking price makes sense and his role isn’t standing in a corner.

[basketballRob]

The play IMO is using some combination of Cole, Jett, Harris, Da Silva and multiple first round picks to acquire a lead guard. Once that's done, then you can focus on upgrading the center spot overall.

Starters: Lead Guard, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, Center
Backups: Black, KCP, Houstan, Isaac, Center

I thought we could just trade Cole, Jett, and Harris for CJ Mccollum. He has one more season on his deal. Even if he walked, it would be worth it for one season. That would give us room to add our draft picks. If he agreed to a 2 year 30m extension, then bring him back. If not, we'd have room to sign a mle player.

Simons would be an FA. You could throw the mle at him.

The problem with giving up a bunch of assets for a player like Simons is that it may not work. The Pelicans gave up 2 firsts, Daniels, Nance, and Zeller for Dejounte Murray. He then tore his Achilles. Now Murray has had an acl and Achilles. He's not going to be good now. Griffin got canned, and they're back in rebuild mode.

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No on McCollum.

Orlando isn’t competing for a championship. They are developing their offense around their two main guys trying to find what will work in the future.

Acquiring McCollum for assets right now is plugging a boat with your finger to get across the ocean. He retires or walks and they are back at square one attempting to find someone to develop and grow a system with those young guys.

I’m fine with Simons if the asking price makes sense and his role isn’t standing in a corner.

No one is knocking on the door to get Cole, Harris, or Jett. If they would take them for a 1 year rental. That would be a win.

We would need to add picks for Simons, and he'd want a long-term extension. I doubt Portland would want any of the players we have or our picks.

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[RichCollab]

I think the Suns are keeping Booker. And KD is available. But many of you are not entertaining the idea of getting him.

getting who? KD? Sure, if the price is right.

Besides getting an alpha scorer, I think we need to figure out the cast around Franz and Paolo better. There is no offense outside those two today

Are you trading Paolo or Franz? No way we add an alpha scorer to the starting lineup while already having those two.

Play maker who can knock down the 3.

[Skybox]

I'm a big Tyus fan but he can't be the permanent fix to our guard situation. We need more from the other starting guard spot. Weltman needs to figure out how to get something like this done this summer:

Kessler (or draft similar profile? I don't see one though)/Mo/Goga
Paolo/JI
Franz/Houstan
Suggs/AB
Jerome/Tyus/Walter Clayton Jr

I like it - in theory but it will be difficult to pull off with no cap space and overpaid role players having bad seasons as trade chips. Last summer we could have had our pick of UFA's...not impossible. I'd prefer rookie Maluach to Kessler, who will be nearing significant extension talks this summer. Maluach is a huge, super agile speciment...still pretty raw, but that's less painful as a defensive minded Center who just sets picks, catches lobs, and dunks everything in sight on offense.

Tyus, as backup PG, is once again in the proper situation to flex his efficiency muscles. Ty would be great...maybe a SnT? KCP would look pretty good as a 3&D 2/3 for a contender and Jerome's salary range is moving into that range...if a couple of people with money start to sniff around, CLE might shop him as a SnT.

[Skybox]

I thought we could just trade Cole, Jett, and Harris for CJ Mccollum. He has one more season on his deal. Even if he walked, it would be worth it for one season. That would give us room to add our draft picks. If he agreed to a 2 year 30m extension, then bring him back. If not, we'd have room to sign a mle player.

Simons would be an FA. You could throw the mle at him.

The problem with giving up a bunch of assets for a player like Simons is that it may not work. The Pelicans gave up 2 firsts, Daniels, Nance, and Zeller for Dejounte Murray. He then tore his Achilles. Now Murray has had an acl and Achilles. He's not going to be good now. Griffin got canned, and they're back in rebuild mode.

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No on McCollum.

Orlando isn’t competing for a championship. They are developing their offense around their two main guys trying to find what will work in the future.

Acquiring McCollum for assets right now is plugging a boat with your finger to get across the ocean. He retires or walks and they are back at square one attempting to find someone to develop and grow a system with those young guys.

I’m fine with Simons if the asking price makes sense and his role isn’t standing in a corner.

No one is knocking on the door to get Cole, Harris, or Jett. If they would take them for a 1 year rental. That would be a win.

We would need to add picks for Simons, and he'd want a long-term extension. I doubt Portland would want any of the players we have or our picks.

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Agree...what makes McCollum unattractive (age, salary) is what makes him gettable...you have to have some confidence in your team and city having some appeal or why bother at all. You don't make a big move without some dialogue about the player's level of interest in a longer term commitment. CJ, in a Magic uniform last night, might've made a real impact...There's some real value to "Been there, seen this s**t before" - not to mention obvious skill set that we lack. KCP was supposed to bring THAT but I see no notable influence from him on the rest of the team's poise or hunger. If he's still here next season, his "leadership" will be completely overshadowed by Suggs'....for the millionth time, I think KCP is a good player, but not what we signed up for and never was a good fit, skill-wise.

[three3d]

The two most realistic targets have to be Coby White and Anfernee Simons. Both shooting guards with some ability to play combo guard between a pg/sg with good 3PT % and assists per game. Simons is my preferred and probably the easiest of the two to get. Simons three point stroke is pure and DEEP, he will spread the floor out for everyone on the team.