2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5

DreamTeam09 · Post #1621 » by **DreamTeam09** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:03 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:If I told you Kasparas was taller Podz, would that entice you at 7?

No, and he definitely isn't. Podz is a good defender

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #1622 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:04 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
mademan wrote:Waching Sengun, Malauch over Queen would just be crazy to me. Skill over length every single time. This is a skill league

Thinking the same thing. Especially with his weak lower body, I can see him being boxed out of close paint touches with physicality. Queen is a big body that can actually dribble for real.

The biggest thing for me is that he can self create...and then for others which is prob THE most important ability in the Playoffs.

We seen with MIL today what happens when teams key into just one player that can do it. Then they just force the "others" to beat you and ofc 9/10 they can't. Not to mention it helps keep your overall offence stay consistent when you can always have one of them on the floor to prevent any droughts throughout a game when roleplayers play tight in big moments.

If you have 2 on the court it's hard to guard that because you just swing it until one of them gets the ball and the opposing teams simply can't "cheat" defensively as they do which leads to the surrounding cast getting better looks too if they try to do so. But with a bully like Queen on the block, you're forced to collapse and then with his passing it's just target practice with one of those being BI who will just finesse tfo whoever tries to guard him one on one nvm RJ as a cutter with guys like IQ, JKW, GD, Battle rotating everywhere to get shots. Not to mention Scottie & Mogbo are great weak side defenders that can help rim protect (which is the actual defensive weakness of DQ, not on ball as some mistakenly think).

My assessment of why he also is a great fit for us at C. Our best guy is probably a defensive first playmaking forward if we use him properly. Leave scoring to BI, RJ, IQ and guys like Walter and Queen. Even Jakob has been a better play finisher.

If we tell Scottie to make all defense his goal, I think he can realistically get that if that is a condition to trigger a supermax down the line. Way more likely than all nba. I think Queen who comes into his rookie season with the best conditioning of his life will be elite

Psubs · Post #1623 » by **Psubs** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:14 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:If I told you Kasparas was taller Podz, would that entice you at 7?

No, and he definitely isn't. Podz is a good defender

Podz at least does one elite thing and that's rebounding. Not quite like Josh Hart but it makes him above mid-level.

bballsparkin · Post #1624 » by **bballsparkin** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:18 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Edgecombe's athleticism is a wash due to his size. His shot, handle, and several other part of his game show he doesn't have elite guard skills like Tre Johnson. I would hope someone reaches for him before our pick so we have a better prospect drop to us.

I hope the GM’s in front of us think like you.

This draft is funny. I'm taking Edgecombe of the two. Tre might be a star. But he might also drive me nuts taking bad shots I fear. At least with VJ, even if his upside does not actualize, he still is going to dunk the ball, hit some shots, and do his best defensively. Folks won't be talking about Davion if we lucked into VJ. I'd hope the Raptors pick Ace if available. Not because I think he will be the best. But his best looks the highest and I trust in the FO to make the right pick.

Psubs · Post #1625 » by **Psubs** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:27 am

bballsparkin wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Edgecombe's athleticism is a wash due to his size. His shot, handle, and several other part of his game show he doesn't have elite guard skills like Tre Johnson. I would hope someone reaches for him before our pick so we have a better prospect drop to us.

I hope the GM’s in front of us think like you.

This draft is funny. I'm taking Edgecombe of the two. Tre might be a star. But he might also drive me nuts taking bad shots I fear. At least with VJ, even if his upside does not actualize, he still is going to dunk the ball, hit some shots, and do his best defensively. Folks won't be talking about Davion if we lucked into VJ. I'd hope the Raptors pick Ace if available. Not because I think he will be the best. But his best looks the highest and I trust in the FO to make the right pick.

The way we view VJ, why not get everything that VJ does in OG's body?

#1 Cooper Flagg
#2 Dylan Harper
#3 Carter Bryant

bballsparkin · Post #1626 » by **bballsparkin** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:30 am

Psubs wrote:
The way we view VJ, why not get everything that VJ does in OG's body?

#1 Cooper Flagg
#2 Dylan Harper
#3 Carter Bryant

bballsparkin · Post #1627 » by **bballsparkin** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:36 am

I got a question. Have people thought of Ace and comparing him with Jabari Smith? Are they similar in anyway? I believe Ace is a similar height? If they were similar prospects when would you pick Jabari in this draft? Is he a top 5 pick? He went third after two pretty good players in Banchero then Chet.

PhilBlackson · Post #1628 » by **PhilBlackson** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:45 am

bballsparkin wrote:I got a question. Have people thought of Ace and comparing him with Jabari Smith? Are they similar in anyway? I believe Ace is a similar height? If they were similar prospects when would you pick Jabari in this draft? Is he a top 5 pick? He went third after two pretty good players in Banchero then Chet.

Ace is quicker and more explosive athletically. Moves more like a SF whereas Jabari is more PF. Although he takes too many tough contested shots, I still think he has the advantage hitting those as well over Jabari.

Psubs · Post #1629 » by **Psubs** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:51 am

bballsparkin wrote:
Psubs wrote:
The way we view VJ, why not get everything that VJ does in OG's body?

#1 Cooper Flagg
#2 Dylan Harper
#3 Carter Bryant

If don't get the consensus top 2, then I would trade down as much as I could while still selecting Carter Bryant. I'm sold on him; like a little bulkier Jayson Tatum.

bballsparkin · Post #1630 » by **bballsparkin** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:03 am

Psubs wrote:

If don't get the consensus top 2, then I would trade down as much as I could while still selecting Carter Bryant. I'm sold on him; like a little bulkier Jayson Tatum.

What pick do you think he gets selected?

Psubs · Post #1631 » by **Psubs** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:05 am

bballsparkin wrote:
Psubs wrote:

If don't get the consensus top 2, then I would trade down as much as I could while still selecting Carter Bryant. I'm sold on him; like a little bulkier Jayson Tatum.

What pick do you think he gets selected?

I think he'll test well at the combine and move up. 8-10. Tijane Salaun jumped all the way to #6, but Cooper and Harper push him down 2 spots.

Charlotte is so dumb. If they knew they didn't want Mark Williams long-term, then they should've drafted Donovan Clingan.

Fansince95 · Post #1632 » by **Fansince95** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:43 am

bballsparkin wrote:
Psubs wrote:

If don't get the consensus top 2, then I would trade down as much as I could while still selecting Carter Bryant. I'm sold on him; like a little bulkier Jayson Tatum.

What pick do you think he gets selected?

The thing with Carter Bryant is that a team may fall in love with him and he goes 5-8. Or they view him as 5oo passive and can't standout at college let alone NBA and goes mid first

Clutch0z24 · Post #1633 » by **Clutch0z24** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:58 am

One stat i was looking at in the Maluach vs Queen debate is the Free throw attempts....Queen at 218 vs Maluach 77.....This is a big part of Queens game people are underestimating....Having the ability to get to the free throw line is a big + for your big man and able to knock them down at a 76% clip is decent as well.....We don't really have a free throw merchant on our team....Would be nice to add one....As Queen was known all year to be very good at drawing fouls.

WuTang_CMB · Post #1634 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:25 pm

Carter Bryant's dad was a highschool coach ..... and he coached Kawhi Leonard

Read on Twitter

Tripod · Post #1635 » by **Tripod** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:32 pm

With Queen, I have these reservations.

He carries extra weight on his body right now and gets away with it. But what happens next?

If he sheds weight and gets more toned, does he become a PF that doesn't shoot well or defend the best?

Or if he keeps the weight, will he be a C that has good handles, but big C's dominate him.

MessiahUjiri · Post #1636 » by **MessiahUjiri** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:00 pm

Tripod wrote:With Queen, I have these reservations.

He carries extra weight on his body right now and gets away with it. But what happens next?

If he sheds weight and gets more toned, does he become a PF that doesn't shoot well or defend the best?

Or if he keeps the weight, will he be a C that has good handles, but big C's dominate him.

Queen is basically Zach Randolph to me.

Godaddycurse · Post #1637 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:08 pm

MessiahUjiri wrote:
Tripod wrote:With Queen, I have these reservations.

He carries extra weight on his body right now and gets away with it. But what happens next?

If he sheds weight and gets more toned, does he become a PF that doesn't shoot well or defend the best?

Or if he keeps the weight, will he be a C that has good handles, but big C's dominate him.

Queen is basically Zach Randolph to me.

Modern day comp/ceiling to me is julius Randle, whom im not really enamored with. A guy like that can put up numbers but im skeptical of the ceiling of the team

Indeed · Post #1638 » by **Indeed** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:22 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Carter Bryant's dad was a highschool coach ..... and he coached Kawhi Leonard

Read on Twitter

Leonard success isn't because of high school coach, but his physical attributes.
Just like Barrett and Lawson went to the same high school, and one was a top 5 in a draft, while the other one was undrafted.

WuTang_CMB · Post #1639 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:24 pm

Indeed wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Carter Bryant's dad was a highschool coach ..... and he coached Kawhi Leonard

Read on Twitter

Leonard success isn't because of high school coach, but his physical attributes.
Just like Barrett and Lawson went to the same high school, and one was a top 5 in a draft, while the other one was undrafted.

Where did I say his HS coach made Kawhi?

Psubs · Post #1640 » by **Psubs** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:32 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Carter Bryant's dad was a highschool coach ..... and he coached Kawhi Leonard

Read on Twitter

lol, is he reading my posts?