PG: KNICKS Take Game 1

[thebuzzardman]

Nah he can be imperfect without calling his number many times in a row with poor results and a score going the wrong direction

2-13 and losing at home … change your approach

You will lose most games like that. We dodged a bullet

Closing the game on 10-14 shooting with 5 assists seems like a good enough way to make up for it?

Approach never changed though.

Yep. I’m glad he didn’t change because of one half. We also saw the same thing last year against the Sixers. The first two games were ugly, and then Brunson broke through and dominated them. He deserves a lot more trust at this point.

Also, I’ll take an 8:1 assist to turnover ratio from my point guard anytime.

Brunson doesn't turn the ball over because he's too selfish with it.

The most Neo-liberal of point guards

[thebuzzardman]

Yall gonna drive Brunson to eating vaseline on the podcast

It's a close call. He def deserves leeway as the best player. But this was a game where OG was red hot early, where Karl barely missed. He can't take fadeaways and get blocked off no motion. Or take fast break floaters from behind the basket.

Some was egregious. It just was, even for how much leeway JB has earned.

Hopefully he learns and stops. Team is much better when he tries to let others take the lead early. Hart is also showing signs again. We may have something, but not with solo JB in quarters one and two especially.

It seems like people already forgot how Brunson was forcing way too much and shooting us out of the pacers series last year. We should’ve won that series all things considered.

It's almost as if there were some key injuries...nah

[Gravy]

Blaming Brunson for losing the pacers series is more proof people are watching a different game than I am.

[Fury]

Closing the game on 10-14 shooting with 5 assists seems like a good enough way to make up for it?

Approach never changed though.

Yep. I’m glad he didn’t change because of one half. We also saw the same thing last year against the Sixers. The first two games were ugly, and then Brunson broke through and dominated them. He deserves a lot more trust at this point.

Also, I’ll take an 8:1 assist to turnover ratio from my point guard anytime.

Brunson doesn't turn the ball over because he's too selfish with it.

The most Neo-liberal of point guards

It's tough to turn the ball over when you're too busy chucking it at the rim

[KnicksGadfly]

Yall gonna drive Brunson to eating vaseline on the podcast

It's a close call. He def deserves leeway as the best player. But this was a game where OG was red hot early, where Karl barely missed. He can't take fadeaways and get blocked off no motion. Or take fast break floaters from behind the basket.

Some was egregious. It just was, even for how much leeway JB has earned.

Hopefully he learns and stops. Team is much better when he tries to let others take the lead early. Hart is also showing signs again. We may have something, but not with solo JB in quarters one and two especially.

It seems like people already forgot how Brunson was forcing way too much and shooting us out of the pacers series last year. We should’ve won that series all things considered.

In the words of an esteemed poster, "Nuance is no longer understood."

[KnicksGadfly]

Blaming Brunson for losing the pacers series is more proof people are watching a different game than I am.

Yep...OG gone, Mitch gone, the ghost of Alec Burks getting thrown in there, McBride getting elevated to a starting position, Bojan gone, Randle gone, Josh Hart playing 48 minute games. You can tell when a poster hates Brunson, cause he has to make up stuff.

"Nuance is no longer understood."

[thebuzzardman]

Yep. I’m glad he didn’t change because of one half. We also saw the same thing last year against the Sixers. The first two games were ugly, and then Brunson broke through and dominated them. He deserves a lot more trust at this point.

Also, I’ll take an 8:1 assist to turnover ratio from my point guard anytime.

Brunson doesn't turn the ball over because he's too selfish with it.

The most Neo-liberal of point guards

It's tough to turn the ball over when you're too busy chucking it at the rim

Tom Thibspan letting Jalen Brunson's rising tide elevate the other Knicks' boats.

[Gravy]

Blaming Brunson for losing the pacers series is more proof people are watching a different game than I am.

Yep...OG gone, Mitch gone, the ghost of Alec Burks getting thrown in there, McBride getting elevated to a starting position, Bojan gone, Randle gone, Josh Hart playing 48 minute games. You can tell when a poster hates Brunson, cause he has to make up stuff.

"Nuance is no longer understood."

Brunson is a shoot first pg and the only real facilitator in the rotation. Without him there's no chance of beating good teams

[prophet_of_rage]

Blaming Brunson for losing the pacers series is more proof people are watching a different game than I am.

Yep...OG gone, Mitch gone, the ghost of Alec Burks getting thrown in there, McBride getting elevated to a starting position, Bojan gone, Randle gone, Josh Hart playing 48 minute games. You can tell when a poster hates Brunson, cause he has to make up stuff.

"Nuance is no longer understood."

You see it. Welcome to the other foot.

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[F N 11]

Blaming Brunson for losing the pacers series is more proof people are watching a different game than I am.

Yep...OG gone, Mitch gone, the ghost of Alec Burks getting thrown in there, McBride getting elevated to a starting position, Bojan gone, Randle gone, Josh Hart playing 48 minute games. You can tell when a poster hates Brunson, cause he has to make up stuff.

"Nuance is no longer understood."

Have to be happy with health at the moment compared to past. That being said, game plan will be to run whoever Brunson guarding through screens. Gong to be interesting tonight. Hoping early Josh sub to get more spacing and more Josh with bench.

[NiceLikeChrist]

It's a close call. He def deserves leeway as the best player. But this was a game where OG was red hot early, where Karl barely missed. He can't take fadeaways and get blocked off no motion. Or take fast break floaters from behind the basket.

Some was egregious. It just was, even for how much leeway JB has earned.

Hopefully he learns and stops. Team is much better when he tries to let others take the lead early. Hart is also showing signs again. We may have something, but not with solo JB in quarters one and two especially.

It seems like people already forgot how Brunson was forcing way too much and shooting us out of the pacers series last year. We should’ve won that series all things considered.

It's almost as if there were some key injuries...nah

I’m saying regardless we should’ve won. I vividly remember there being multiple long stretches of Brunson playing flat out dumb basketball in games we lost. Games 3 and 6 were certainly winnable games if Brunson has his head on straight. I remember cus I was in the PG thread saying he needs to cut that bs out.

[NiceLikeChrist]

Obviously the injuries are the easiest cop out of all time but acting like we couldn’t win 2 out of 5 games with what we were able to put out there is loser talk.

They beat us 4 times in 5 games and they weren’t a great team. 2 wins they blew us out. 2 games we were 100% in the mix and capable of winning but we lost. We destroyed them for our third win.

Game 6 Brunson shoots 2-13 in the first half because he’s forcing too much action getting into a 1v1 games with nembhard and nesmith. We matched them in scoring the second half but the damage was already done in the first.

We can win that series no doubt. Stop acting like it’s crazy talk.

[HopelessKnick]

I completely disagree. The one and only reason we lost to Indy was because we were down 3 out of our 5 best players and Brunson was injured as well. OG missed a big chunk of the second half of game 2 (we won regardless) and games 3,4,5 and 6 and played only 5 minutes in game 7. No serious fan could have expected the Knicks to beat and close out Indy without Randle, Mitch and OG and Brunson being hobbled and Hart being hobbled as well.

If anyone had asked knick fans how we would fare against Indy without Randle, Mitch and OG I don't think even 5% would have expected us to win a game, let alone the series. Putting this on Brunson is completely ridiculous---especially considering the fact he was injured as well.

As for the Detroit game. Brunson is doing exactly the right thing IMO. In order for us to have a chance at making any noise in the playoffs he needs to get into his rhythm and quickly. He needs to take the shots and repetition. Brunson needs to be taking 25-30 shots a night and hopefully make at least 14/15 out of them along with 7-8 free throws...totaling 35-40points. OG can still get his 20points.

As for KAT: He wasn't even looking to score early in the game. He started taking shots in the second quarter and the Knicks ran many plays through him. I'm also someone that wants KAT to be much more aggressive and establish himself early on as there aren't any teams that can really deal with him...but that's up to KAT really. He is often times just passive early on in games. Ideally KAT and JB take 45-50 shots. KAT shouldn't be taking less than 20 really.

[HopelessKnick]

Obviously the injuries are the easiest cop out of all time but acting like we couldn’t win 2 out of 5 games with what we were able to put out there is loser talk.

They beat us 4 times in 5 games and they weren’t a great team. 2 wins they blew us out. 2 games we were 100% in the mix and capable of winning but we lost. We destroyed them for our third win.

Game 6 Brunson shoots 2-13 in the first half because he’s forcing too much action getting into a 1v1 games with nembhard and nesmith. We matched them in scoring the second half but the damage was already done in the first.

We can win that series no doubt. Stop acting like it’s crazy talk.

It's crazy talk. There is not a single team in the playoffs currently that ---even if up 2:0---would win that series if their second best and third best player and 5th or 6th best player are out and their best player nursing an injury as well. Not a single one. Take out Jalen Williams, Dortz, Hartenstein and have SGA at 80% or so and Memphis wins 4 out of 5 easily. Have Brown, White and Porzingis out and Tatum nursing an injury and Orlando wins that series as well.

I mean "crazy talk" is relative....stranger things have happened...if say JB and DD had their best games simultaneously than it may have been possible...of course there was a decent chance we take game 3 but couldn't pull it out. But I know personally that all the Knick fans etc. that I knew were very concerned about the series outcome when OG went down. With OG we would have likely swept them or won 4-1 but the moment he went down everyone was like hoping we can somehow pull it out.

[Besart19]

Nobody else can bring it up against pressure. Hart can only do it in transition. Against a guard in front of him it is a strip. The only guy where you'd have an advantage is KAT against a crntre in Jokic mode. That still requires the others sprinting like Hell to drag their defenders away.

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Still no excuses for Thibs who is well versed in Triangle offense where you can start your actions from the wings and make quick passes instead of dribbling. Also its not outlawed to play two PG lineups

The 2 pg lineuo isn't our best. We do it. I don't like the triangke becauae JB woukd be buried in the corner. A Pistols offence where JB gets it ahead and comes off back into a PNR wouldnbe interesting but I am not sure JB likes.the screen and roll.

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Brunson would do wonders in a triangle offense... our whole roster would fit on that system... its just need to be a more modern coach to do it right like Steve Kerr did it...

Towns / Robinson
Anunoby / Achiuwa
Bridges / Hart
McBride / Shamet
Brunson / Payne

each of our starters would be able to play a two man game on the weakside

[gavran]

Obviously the injuries are the easiest cop out of all time but acting like we couldn’t win 2 out of 5 games with what we were able to put out there is loser talk.

Yes, yes, yes, we know.