Dallas - SAS

[Godaddycurse]

Dallas trade: Washington, Hardy (or powell?), 11
SAS trade: Johnson, 8

Why for Dallas: trade up to draft PGOF
Why for SAS: upgrade starting forward spot next to wemby. plenty of forward options available in the late lotteries for depth. Dont think they will be interested int he guards and C's available in that range

[Mavrelous]

Hard pass for me, unless Mavs see someone #3 on their board dropping to #8 and they must have him..

[Godaddycurse]

Hard pass for me, unless Mavs see someone #3 on their board dropping to #8 and they must have him..

i think houston and Portland will both target the best guard left on the board so it makes sense to jump them if Dallas is hoping to draft a (P)G

[Texas Chuck]

I need to know who is there at 8. If I love him, then sure. Hard to really say otherwise. Would definitely have to be an on the clock trade.

[wemby]

I need to know who is there at 8. If I love him, then sure. Hard to really say otherwise. Would definitely have to be an on the clock trade.

This is the issue, it comes down to who is there at 8 that won't be at 11 for the Mavs, and whether the Spurs are comfortable downgrading from their preferred choice at 8 to whomever is left at 11. And this doesn't even address that it's not certain either team picks at 8 and 11 respectively. Not impossible, but way too early.

[Godaddycurse]

I need to know who is there at 8. If I love him, then sure. Hard to really say otherwise. Would definitely have to be an on the clock trade.

This is the issue, it comes down to who is there at 8 that won't be at 11 for the Mavs, and whether the Spurs are comfortable downgrading from their preferred choice at 8 to whomever is left at 11. And this doesn't even address that it's not certain either team picks at 8 and 11 respectively. Not impossible, but way too early.

am i correct in assuming spurs are targeting forwards (3 or 4) in this draft with their top pick?

[wemby]

am i correct in assuming spurs are targeting forwards (3 or 4) in this draft with their top pick?

Probably, but I never could have predicted they would pick Josh Primo so what the hell do I know. It would make sense to target wings who can shoot, and the Spurs FO has a track record of valuing positional size, versatility and character. They don't value shooting enough (they should).

[Mavrelous]

Hard pass for me, unless Mavs see someone #3 on their board dropping to #8 and they must have him..

i think houston and Portland will both target the best guard left on the board so it makes sense to jump them if Dallas is hoping to draft a (P)G

Get an FA PG or target existing one in trade.
Draft is a gamble, pick #8 is too late to hit on surefire prospect.
Saying "if I like the player at #8" is an empty statement, under every reasonable scenario, the player at #8 isn't a surefire propect, you're trading a starting calibe PF who was a great fit on a finals team.
I have PJ close in value to Reaves for example, I'd take Reaves over any gamble on guard at #8.

[Godaddycurse]

Hard pass for me, unless Mavs see someone #3 on their board dropping to #8 and they must have him..

i think houston and Portland will both target the best guard left on the board so it makes sense to jump them if Dallas is hoping to draft a (P)G

Get an FA PG or target existing one in trade.
Draft is a gamble, pick #8 is too late to hit on surefire prospect.
Saying "if I like the player at #8" is an empty statement, under every reasonable scenario, the player at #8 isn't a surefire propect, you're trading a starting calibe PF who was a great fit on a finals team.
I have PJ close in value to Reaves for example, I'd take Reaves over any gamble on guard at #8.

If you were planning to trade up, which asset would you use to move up with?

lively
PJ
lakers 2029 1st

[ReggiesKnicks]

This is a draft day trade but even then I'm not sure why Toronto also wants to punt on their top prospect.

[Godaddycurse]

This is a draft day trade but even then I'm not sure why Toronto also wants to punt on their top prospect.

wait what does Toronto have to do with OP?

[Texas Chuck]

It's not empty at all. We have seen Dallas target very specific players in the past trying to move up to get them. Halliburton the best recent example.

Of course its no guarantee they hit, that's an empty statement lol. But if the team is convinced in a guy, PJ Washington isn't a guy that should ever stand in the way of going and getting a guy you believe strongly in. Especially not with only a year left on his deal versus starting a rookie contract.

The problem here, is of course none of us know how Dallas feels about any of these prospects. So I account for a possibility they love a guy, because well sometimes they do. In a vacuum, (which is never the case fwiw) yeah its a mistake to trade PJ for Keldon for a similar tier player. But tiers are also mostly a false construct so...

[ReggiesKnicks]

This is a draft day trade but even then I'm not sure why Toronto also wants to punt on their top prospect.

wait what does Toronto have to do with OP?

Spurs. Obvious typo.

[Mavrelous]

i think houston and Portland will both target the best guard left on the board so it makes sense to jump them if Dallas is hoping to draft a (P)G

Get an FA PG or target existing one in trade.
Draft is a gamble, pick #8 is too late to hit on surefire prospect.
Saying "if I like the player at #8" is an empty statement, under every reasonable scenario, the player at #8 isn't a surefire propect, you're trading a starting calibe PF who was a great fit on a finals team.
I have PJ close in value to Reaves for example, I'd take Reaves over any gamble on guard at #8.

If you were planning to trade up, which asset would you use to move up with?

lively
PJ
lakers 2029 1st

None of these is worth losing for moving up from 11 to 8.

[Mavrelous]

Moving from 5 to 3 to target 1st overall candidate is nowhere near moving from 11 to 8, that's just false equivalence and bad analogy.

[Godaddycurse]

Get an FA PG or target existing one in trade.
Draft is a gamble, pick #8 is too late to hit on surefire prospect.
Saying "if I like the player at #8" is an empty statement, under every reasonable scenario, the player at #8 isn't a surefire propect, you're trading a starting calibe PF who was a great fit on a finals team.
I have PJ close in value to Reaves for example, I'd take Reaves over any gamble on guard at #8.

If you were planning to trade up, which asset would you use to move up with?

lively
PJ
lakers 2029 1st

None of these is worth losing for moving up from 11 to 8.

lets say someone you have really high on your board falls to 8 and you need to move up to get that guy, what asset would you use? Just curious which asset you find most expendable in such a scenario

[jayjaysee]

Think it’s probably a good trade for both teams if Dallas does fall in love with Jakucionis or someone and doesn’t expect them to fall to 11. But only in that scenario

Would rather see if Gafford gets it done, but wouldn’t expect him to..

[Texas Chuck]

Moving from 5 to 3 to target 1st overall candidate is nowhere near moving from 11 to 8, that's just false equivalence and bad analogy.

Did anyone make that analogy?

[Mavrelous]

If you were planning to trade up, which asset would you use to move up with?

lively
PJ
lakers 2029 1st

None of these is worth losing for moving up from 11 to 8.

lets say someone you have really high on your board falls to 8 and you need to move up to get that guy, what asset would you use? Just curious which asset you find most expendable in such a scenario

I'd practice delayed gratification, but if I'm really, really high, then I'd consider your proposal, but consider the circumnstances:
1. It's a 2 player draft after that it's not clear the order after it.
2. 5 other teams passed on him, the team you're trading with (6th, doesn't think he's worth it) and you want to jump another 2 teams.
3. The player will not be a contributor in his 1st year, the player you're trading is a contributor.

The bar to pass here to rationalize this is very high, if you trust you're making the right decision, go for it.

[aguiar95]

I'd really hope Dallas doesn't fall for drafting for need. If we can't get lucky for Harper, there's not a PG worth moving up.