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Post#361 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:53 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:I'm very interested to see how the roster rounds into form this year. We have huge holes, but they have seemed to very deliberately leave those holes open (or create the openings). I think the theory is that they can get tolerable players in FA after the draft. In doing so, they avoid impacting comp picks, and they can probably score some relative bargains.

Instead of bringing in a Gross-Matos, Yiadom, Ya-Sin, or Devondre Campbell (antics aside and just considering performance) before the draft and paying a premium to do so, can you try to upgrade spots through the draft and, failing that, backfill with guys who aren't much worse than those guys we brought in last year? I think it's at least worthwhile to try. This team hasn't exactly killed it with mid- and lower-level FAs lately (few do).

I know the offseason has been frustrating, but overall I'm okay with the approach given a deep draft, lots of picks, and the recent struggles to hit on FAs. The losses that sting are Greenlaw of course, and Collins and Floyd. Those two weren't great last year, but they were at least adequate starters, we didn't realize much of anything in terms of cap savings to part with them, and the replacement players at those positions aren't starting-caliber. Not to mention if they played out their contracts and then signed elsewhere next year they would have factored into the comp pick formula. Other than saving Jed some money, I can't see the logic in parting ways with them.


The team also wanted to get younger. That might be part of it.
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Re: 2025 nfl draft thread 

Post#362 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:04 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:I'm very interested to see how the roster rounds into form this year. We have huge holes, but they have seemed to very deliberately leave those holes open (or create the openings). I think the theory is that they can get tolerable players in FA after the draft. In doing so, they avoid impacting comp picks, and they can probably score some relative bargains.

Instead of bringing in a Gross-Matos, Yiadom, Ya-Sin, or Devondre Campbell (antics aside and just considering performance) before the draft and paying a premium to do so, can you try to upgrade spots through the draft and, failing that, backfill with guys who aren't much worse than those guys we brought in last year? I think it's at least worthwhile to try. This team hasn't exactly killed it with mid- and lower-level FAs lately (few do).

I know the offseason has been frustrating, but overall I'm okay with the approach given a deep draft, lots of picks, and the recent struggles to hit on FAs. The losses that sting are Greenlaw of course, and Collins and Floyd. Those two weren't great last year, but they were at least adequate starters, we didn't realize much of anything in terms of cap savings to part with them, and the replacement players at those positions aren't starting-caliber. Not to mention if they played out their contracts and then signed elsewhere next year they would have factored into the comp pick formula. Other than saving Jed some money, I can't see the logic in parting ways with them.


The team also wanted to get younger. That might be part of it.


Sure. And there's something to be said for drafting a player who might be comparable to Floyd, say, but will be locked up for four years. Or maybe you think the step down from Floyd to younger, cheaper guys in Sam O. and Beal isn't that great. Still don't know how well that logic holds up with Collins, who was head-and-shoulders above all our other DTs last year. Anderson is somewhat promising as a NT - though that's largely factoring in that he was undrafted. We just don't have anyone that we can really count on at all with Collins gone.
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Post#363 » by clyde21 » Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:55 am

updated list of draft attendees, most likely 16 of the 32 first round players that will be selected

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Re: 2025 nfl draft thread 

Post#364 » by Jikkle » Sat Apr 19, 2025 7:48 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:I'm very interested to see how the roster rounds into form this year. We have huge holes, but they have seemed to very deliberately leave those holes open (or create the openings). I think the theory is that they can get tolerable players in FA after the draft. In doing so, they avoid impacting comp picks, and they can probably score some relative bargains.

Instead of bringing in a Gross-Matos, Yiadom, Ya-Sin, or Devondre Campbell (antics aside and just considering performance) before the draft and paying a premium to do so, can you try to upgrade spots through the draft and, failing that, backfill with guys who aren't much worse than those guys we brought in last year? I think it's at least worthwhile to try. This team hasn't exactly killed it with mid- and lower-level FAs lately (few do).

I know the offseason has been frustrating, but overall I'm okay with the approach given a deep draft, lots of picks, and the recent struggles to hit on FAs. The losses that sting are Greenlaw of course, and Collins and Floyd. Those two weren't great last year, but they were at least adequate starters, we didn't realize much of anything in terms of cap savings to part with them, and the replacement players at those positions aren't starting-caliber. Not to mention if they played out their contracts and then signed elsewhere next year they would have factored into the comp pick formula. Other than saving Jed some money, I can't see the logic in parting ways with them.


The team also wanted to get younger. That might be part of it.


Sure. And there's something to be said for drafting a player who might be comparable to Floyd, say, but will be locked up for four years. Or maybe you think the step down from Floyd to younger, cheaper guys in Sam O. and Beal isn't that great. Still don't know how well that logic holds up with Collins, who was head-and-shoulders above all our other DTs last year. Anderson is somewhat promising as a NT - though that's largely factoring in that he was undrafted. We just don't have anyone that we can really count on at all with Collins gone.


I'm guessing that Saleh wants to revamp the defensive scheme so I'm thinking they know the defense is going to be rough around the edges and if you're going to take your lumps you might as well do it with guys that will be on your roster for a while instead of wasting reps on guys that won't.

The model I look at is the Rams last year whose defense was rough early and started to come together and look better at the end of the season. We have vets in key spots with a DC that's familiar so we might get away with more of a soft reset of the defense rather than a pretty hard one.
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Post#365 » by arich35 » Sun Apr 20, 2025 4:37 am

Closer we get to the draft the more I am wanting a DL.
I know we really do need better protection for Purdy but we also have seen what the team has been capable of with a bottom half offensive line. But we really need someone to pair up with Bosa on the line to give the defense a fighting chance. If we can grab a G (similar to Puni) and a project T later in the draft, I would be okay with that
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Re: 2025 nfl draft thread 

Post#366 » by Jikkle » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:08 am

arich35 wrote:Closer we get to the draft the more I am wanting a DL.
I know we really do need better protection for Purdy but we also have seen what the team has been capable of with a bottom half offensive line. But we really need someone to pair up with Bosa on the line to give the defense a fighting chance. If we can grab a G (similar to Puni) and a project T later in the draft, I would be okay with that


The main reason I want OT is that the top end OT prospects are few and go quickly so if we're in position to grab one of the top guys I'd want to take it while it's on the table.

Quality DL can be had later and it's easier to find quality DL later than it is quality OL.

Though I'd put my money on them going DL at #11. If you study their tendencies it all points to that being far and away the likeliest position they go with.

OT is sort of a wildcard to me because it's hard to say how they feel about the prospects and I could see them going that direction if a prospect they love is on the board.

The WR position they clearly feel is worth a 1st round selection but just don't know if there is anyone on the board they would take over DL.

CB is getting mocked to us a lot but they value the front end more than the back end and have shown they value the position more in the 2nd- 4th rounds than the 1st.

As I mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread it's probably not someone in the top 30 visits because if they are in a vulnerable spot for someone to jump them they don't tip their hat at all on who they might want.

The could buck trends and do something unexpected but if you were playing the odds it's DL.
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Post#367 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:07 pm

This report would not be surprising at all. The 49ers are looking to trade back in the first round but aren't finding interest

https://www.ninersnation.com/2025/4/21/24412938/nfl-insider-reports-49ers-among-teams-most-interested-trading-first-round-pick
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Re: 2025 nfl draft thread 

Post#368 » by vvoland » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:43 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:I'm very interested to see how the roster rounds into form this year. We have huge holes, but they have seemed to very deliberately leave those holes open (or create the openings). I think the theory is that they can get tolerable players in FA after the draft. In doing so, they avoid impacting comp picks, and they can probably score some relative bargains.

Instead of bringing in a Gross-Matos, Yiadom, Ya-Sin, or Devondre Campbell (antics aside and just considering performance) before the draft and paying a premium to do so, can you try to upgrade spots through the draft and, failing that, backfill with guys who aren't much worse than those guys we brought in last year? I think it's at least worthwhile to try. This team hasn't exactly killed it with mid- and lower-level FAs lately (few do).

I know the offseason has been frustrating, but overall I'm okay with the approach given a deep draft, lots of picks, and the recent struggles to hit on FAs. The losses that sting are Greenlaw of course, and Collins and Floyd. Those two weren't great last year, but they were at least adequate starters, we didn't realize much of anything in terms of cap savings to part with them, and the replacement players at those positions aren't starting-caliber. Not to mention if they played out their contracts and then signed elsewhere next year they would have factored into the comp pick formula. Other than saving Jed some money, I can't see the logic in parting ways with them.


The team also wanted to get younger. That might be part of it.


Sure. And there's something to be said for drafting a player who might be comparable to Floyd, say, but will be locked up for four years. Or maybe you think the step down from Floyd to younger, cheaper guys in Sam O. and Beal isn't that great. Still don't know how well that logic holds up with Collins, who was head-and-shoulders above all our other DTs last year. Anderson is somewhat promising as a NT - though that's largely factoring in that he was undrafted. We just don't have anyone that we can really count on at all with Collins gone.



I'm almost positive they're drafting a DL with either #11, a later 1st if they can trade down, and, possibly, also in the 2nd. I fully expect 2 of the first 3 picks to be DE and DT.
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Post#369 » by Ballerkingn23 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:25 pm

Barron should be the pick, and No thanks to Nolan if he has character concerns. I think he will slide, personally but I could be wrong.
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Post#370 » by RIPskaterdude » Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:30 pm

How about a TE?

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Post#371 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:00 pm

vvoland wrote:
CrimsonCrew wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
The team also wanted to get younger. That might be part of it.


Sure. And there's something to be said for drafting a player who might be comparable to Floyd, say, but will be locked up for four years. Or maybe you think the step down from Floyd to younger, cheaper guys in Sam O. and Beal isn't that great. Still don't know how well that logic holds up with Collins, who was head-and-shoulders above all our other DTs last year. Anderson is somewhat promising as a NT - though that's largely factoring in that he was undrafted. We just don't have anyone that we can really count on at all with Collins gone.



I'm almost positive they're drafting a DL with either #11, a later 1st if they can trade down, and, possibly, also in the 2nd. I fully expect 2 of the first 3 picks to be DE and DT.


LOL, that is a reasonable take although you never know with this FO.
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Post#372 » by clyde21 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:18 pm

RIPskaterdude wrote:How about a TE?

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i like Thomas Fidone as a late round flyer at TE, but no way Kittle won't be resigned
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Post#373 » by clyde21 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:18 pm

Ballerkingn23 wrote:Barron should be the pick, and No thanks to Nolan if he has character concerns. I think he will slide, personally but I could be wrong.


i doubt this team takes a DB at 11 and I'd kms if they do
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Post#374 » by clyde21 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:41 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:
vvoland wrote:
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Sure. And there's something to be said for drafting a player who might be comparable to Floyd, say, but will be locked up for four years. Or maybe you think the step down from Floyd to younger, cheaper guys in Sam O. and Beal isn't that great. Still don't know how well that logic holds up with Collins, who was head-and-shoulders above all our other DTs last year. Anderson is somewhat promising as a NT - though that's largely factoring in that he was undrafted. We just don't have anyone that we can really count on at all with Collins gone.



I'm almost positive they're drafting a DL with either #11, a later 1st if they can trade down, and, possibly, also in the 2nd. I fully expect 2 of the first 3 picks to be DE and DT.


LOL, that is a reasonable take although you never know with this FO.


i think a DT is probably hard-coded into the pick at 11 even if we trade down, Nolen or Harmon, don't really see anyone else imo. what we do on the 2nd day though is anyone's guess
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Post#375 » by Ballerkingn23 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:50 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Ballerkingn23 wrote:Barron should be the pick, and No thanks to Nolan if he has character concerns. I think he will slide, personally but I could be wrong.


i doubt this team takes a DB at 11 and I'd kms if they do


We can wait on DT.

But why not take the BPA, and not the 3rd or 2nd DT. Unless Graham slips to us, I'd rather the 9ers take BPA. IF thats Barron or Johnson, or Steward who I like for us, more so then others. I'm ok with that if he's the BPA overall at 11.
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Post#376 » by clyde21 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:54 pm

Ballerkingn23 wrote:
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Ballerkingn23 wrote:Barron should be the pick, and No thanks to Nolan if he has character concerns. I think he will slide, personally but I could be wrong.


i doubt this team takes a DB at 11 and I'd kms if they do


We can wait on DT.

But why not take the BPA, and not the 3rd or 2nd DT. Unless Graham slips to us, I'd rather the 9ers take BPA. IF thats Barron or Johnson, or Steward who I like for us, more so then others. I'm ok with that if he's the BPA overall at 11.


concept of BPA is nonsense and it doesn't exist past the blue chip prospects, and many people would argue with you that a 5'9 nickle corner would be BPA at 11.
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Post#377 » by Harry Palmer » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:08 am

I think if he’s there at 11…and he might be…Jeanty would clearly be BPA. Lots of reasons we wouldn’t/probably won’t take him, but this might be a slightly different scenario. First, Kyle has seen what a truly elite RB can do in his offence when healthy, and that it’s significantly more than his standard 6th round slashers. Second, if they are signing Brock, it ensures play-action will always be on the table, which could be huge. Jeanty has shown enough that I think play-action is effective even if our line is sub-par, another huge bonus. Lastly Saquon Barkley; it could work against us because I think Kyle sees himself as above trends, but I think he might have a new humilility and they already seem to be following the Rams on the ‘retool’ year.
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Post#378 » by clyde21 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:36 am

that's why I said outside the blue chip prospects. obviously if a blue chipper drops to 11, you take him or you take a trade down package with someone that wants that blue chipper.

but outside of that, "BPA" is an overused term tbh.

as for Barron, we have wayyy too many holes on our front seven to take a nickle at 11.
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Post#379 » by Pattersonca65 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 4:00 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
vvoland wrote:

I'm almost positive they're drafting a DL with either #11, a later 1st if they can trade down, and, possibly, also in the 2nd. I fully expect 2 of the first 3 picks to be DE and DT.


LOL, that is a reasonable take although you never know with this FO.


i think a DT is probably hard-coded into the pick at 11 even if we trade down, Nolen or Harmon, don't really see anyone else imo. what we do on the 2nd day though is anyone's guess


I think you are right but don't put don't be totally surprised if they don't,lol
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Post#380 » by Ballerkingn23 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 7:46 pm

If Graham falls we should select him otherwise, Steward is my choice as of now or 1 of the DB's Johnson,Barron.

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