2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[ThisGuyFawkes]

I had actually never heard of Fleming but after looking at his stats and watching some videos, he might be my favorite. I was a big Essengue guy, and still am, but Fleming looks so active and already is hitting 3's at a great clip while shooting almost 5 per game.

Honestly, I'd be happy with either, but I feel like Fleming is slightly ahead now.

Fleming
Essengue
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Boyles

Those are my 3 as well. Boyles-Noa-Fleming

I'm curious why Boyles ahead of Noa or Fleming? I think Essengue and Fleming are pretty close but I really like Fleming's aggression and passion. Dude seems more like Baz than Noa. Boyles could be a really great pick but he's only 6'7" and maybe not as good as a fit with our core of Giddy and Matas.

[WesPeace]

I had actually never heard of Fleming but after looking at his stats and watching some videos, he might be my favorite. I was a big Essengue guy, and still am, but Fleming looks so active and already is hitting 3's at a great clip while shooting almost 5 per game.

Honestly, I'd be happy with either, but I feel like Fleming is slightly ahead now.

Fleming
Essengue
...
Boyles

Those are my 3 as well. Boyles-Noa-Fleming

I'm curious why Boyles ahead of Noa or Fleming? I think Essengue and Fleming are pretty close but I really like Fleming's aggression and passion. Dude seems more like Baz than Noa. Boyles could be a really great pick but he's only 6'7" and maybe not as good as a fit with our core of Giddy and Matas.

Boyles is I think more 6'8 and I could see him as easy fit with Matas, good defender, high BBIQ, switchable wing with Buzelis on SF/PF.. first year he would come from bench most likely anyway. As long as Huerter and PWill are here, I doubt rookie will be starter and I actually really liked Huerter on SF in small game sample we saw.

Fleming will be PF and small ball C, Essengue tweener SF/PF..

But any of these 3 picks for Bulls will be very good pick imho

[Guru]

I had actually never heard of Fleming but after looking at his stats and watching some videos, he might be my favorite. I was a big Essengue guy, and still am, but Fleming looks so active and already is hitting 3's at a great clip while shooting almost 5 per game.

Honestly, I'd be happy with either, but I feel like Fleming is slightly ahead now.

Fleming
Essengue
...
Boyles

Those are my 3 as well. Boyles-Noa-Fleming

I'm curious why Boyles ahead of Noa or Fleming? I think Essengue and Fleming are pretty close but I really like Fleming's aggression and passion. Dude seems more like Baz than Noa. Boyles could be a really great pick but he's only 6'7" and maybe not as good as a fit with our core of Giddy and Matas.

Boyles is ready to go and more polished. What you see is what you get already with some growth. Noa is a bit of a projection as he is still developing. Fleming I really liked when watching highlights then watched 2 full games and it didn't match. I am torn with him.

[Chi town]

Those are my 3 as well. Boyles-Noa-Fleming

I'm curious why Boyles ahead of Noa or Fleming? I think Essengue and Fleming are pretty close but I really like Fleming's aggression and passion. Dude seems more like Baz than Noa. Boyles could be a really great pick but he's only 6'7" and maybe not as good as a fit with our core of Giddy and Matas.

Boyles is I think more 6'8 and I could see him as easy fit with Matas, good defender, high BBIQ, switchable wing with Buzelis on SF/PF.. first year he would come from bench most likely anyway. As long as Huerter and PWill are here, I doubt rookie will be starter and I actually really liked Huerter on SF in small game sample we saw.

Fleming will be PF and small ball C, Essengue tweener SF/PF..

But any of these 3 picks for Bulls will be very good pick imho

And… make Pat Unplayable in time. They will eventually be getting all his mins if he doesn’t really turn it on.

[drosestruts]

Beringer at 14 from an NBA guy.

https://youtu.be/OfIZ7jp9guE?si=HYjYrNW-rF5tTOOb

Liked what he had to say about Berringer. He's the vertical spacing paint protector we've been missing, I think having guards like Giddey, Ball, and Jones (if we re-sign him) can help make the transition easier for someone like Berringer.

I also really liked the part disucssing Nique Clifford who I can't say was on my radar. From what they discussed here seems like a Jamie Jaquez Jr type of pick.

[Guru]

Beringer at 14 from an NBA guy.

https://youtu.be/OfIZ7jp9guE?si=HYjYrNW-rF5tTOOb

Liked what he had to say about Berringer. He's the vertical spacing paint protector we've been missing, I think having guards like Giddey, Ball, and Jones (if we re-sign him) can help make the transition easier for someone like Berringer.

I also really liked the part disucssing Nique Clifford who I can't say was on my radar. From what they discussed here seems like a Jamie Jaquez Jr type of pick.

Last year I would have said that was a good thing. I am not so sure anymore.

[MGB8]

There do seem to be a good mix of “traditional 4s” (small ball 5s, some of whom have legit switchable defensive upside) who will be available around 12. But if Jakucionas drops due to the low 3 pt percentage or whatever, I’d probably sprint up to the podium.

KJs YouTubes remind me in a way of Devin Vassell’s from the Pat draft - a guy who looks like he is processing faster than everyone around him, all around skillset. Not worried about his shot - 84.5% FT to me is a good sign that there isn’t anything mechanically wrong.

[WesPeace]

But KJ is projected to be point guard in NBA or guard/forward?

[Chi town]

Beringer at 14 from an NBA guy.

https://youtu.be/OfIZ7jp9guE?si=HYjYrNW-rF5tTOOb

Liked what he had to say about Berringer. He's the vertical spacing paint protector we've been missing, I think having guards like Giddey, Ball, and Jones (if we re-sign him) can help make the transition easier for someone like Berringer.
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Exactly. He would be backup and brought along slowly but his ceiling is Gobert levels of D and lobs. Think he’s still growing too. His measureables are great.

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[Chi town]

Penda is what Pat would play like if he had a motor.

[Chi town]

Great breakdown on Beringer.
Giving has him at 12.

https://www.youtube.com/live/se7osxWP574?si=SdUH4iX69TL05BPq

[WesPeace]

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I wish we had another late first round pick, I would draft Penda, Beringer or C.Bryant

12# - my favourites Essengue, Murray Boyles, Fleming, BUT If we had another pick in
20-30# Beringer, Penda, C.Bryant

Btw. Beringer might not even apply for this years draft, Cedevita Olimpija coach said to him to wait another year.

BULLS need to draft for need this time, not BPA. Unless we win lottery of course. We need high BBIQ and defense

[drosestruts]

Great breakdown on Beringer.
Giving has him at 12.

https://www.youtube.com/live/se7osxWP574?si=SdUH4iX69TL05BPq

Momentum is picking up on Beringer.

[Jcool0]

12. CHICAGO BULLS — Collin Murray-Boyles | F | South Carolina

Collin Murray-Boyles presents the Chicago Bulls with both a safe and exciting value proposition. On one hand, there’s his defense. Murray-Boyles is big, long, and strong. He moves his feet exceptionally well, but still has the raw power to handle bigger bodies inside. His on-ball versatility and off-ball intellect make him a handful as both a point-of-attack defender and a disruptor. On offense, he’s a great screener, passer, and finisher. His jump shot is a question, but his slick handle and floor vision would go a long way in the event that he does shoot it. Given the guard-heavy nature of the Bulls roster and lack of a defensive anchor, he fills some holes right now, but don’t underestimate his upside should he become a reliable shooter.

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[MGB8]

I don’t like the CMB fit. Giddey isn’t quick enough to defend 1s and 2s well, so basically needs to play the 3 on defense. Matas probably can defend some 2s, but with his shot blocking, you don’t really want him chasing folks around the perimeter. Bulls are also stuck with Pat for the time being, and likely through this contract, and when he is playing well - he gives the same things CMB projected to give on defense, and on offense, he lacks creation or interior skills but at least gives you spacing / shooting, which is a need when Giddey is average from 3 (and Coby can be, though at high volume). I also think that Phillips is fine as a reserve forward, and so are a bunch of guys who can be signed for cheap, like Torrey Craig.

IMO, Bulls need either a 5, a 3&D plus wing, or a hedge for Coby (a lead scoring type and/or perimeter 6th man if not good enough to be a lead scorer on a good team). And CMB doesn’t have such huge talent advantage to overcome lack of fit, especially with very iffy shooting.

[Chi town]

I don’t like the CMB fit. Giddey isn’t quick enough to defend 1s and 2s well, so basically needs to play the 3 on defense. Matas probably can defend some 2s, but with his shot blocking, you don’t really want him chasing folks around the perimeter. Bulls are also stuck with Pat for the time being, and likely through this contract, and when he is playing well - he gives the same things CMB projected to give on defense, and on offense, he lacks creation or interior skills but at least gives you spacing / shooting, which is a need when Giddey is average from 3 (and Coby can be, though at high volume). I also think that Phillips is fine as a reserve forward, and so are a bunch of guys who can be signed for cheap, like Torrey Craig.

IMO, Bulls need either a 5, a 3&D plus wing, or a hedge for Coby (a lead scoring type and/or perimeter 6th man if not good enough to be a lead scorer on a good team). And CMB doesn’t have such huge talent advantage to overcome lack of fit, especially with very iffy shooting.

Agreed.

[Chi town]

Who is down to trade back and pick up a late 1st?

ORL has 16 and 25
BKN has 19 and 27
OKC has 15 and 24

Id target… 2 of

Noa (long gone)
Beringer
Penda
Riley

[Indomitable]

Big Board as of 4/21 AKA why I'll never work for an NBA Front Office

I am very heavily swayed by a few things:

1. Success at the previous level - winning matters. Winners Win. I don't need a team of losers with potential.
2. Player archetype - Do people that resemble you find success at the next level? (AKA why you won't see CMB on my board)
3. Transferable skills - in my mind everyone has potential, what can you do for me today

So let's get into it:

1. Cooper Flagg
2. Dylan Harper

These two are easy, after that, it quickly becomes chaotic and you the space between players 3-12 is minimal.

3. Kasparas Jakucionis
4. VJ Edgecombe
5. Rasheer Flemming
6. Jase Richardson
7. Ryan Kalkbrenner - yeah he's older, don't overthink it. If Walker Kessler could score.
8. Sergio de Larrea
9. Kon Knueppel
10. Khaman Maluach
11. Joan Beringer

I would heavily look into trading this year's pick.

No Ace at all?

I can't think of a single player with that poor of efficiency and who averaged more turnovers than assists, and had such an awful assist to usage ratio. Terrrible BPM. then went on to succeed.

I'm happy letting Ace be someone elses problem.

I get it, he looks like an NBA player. But he doesn't actually do anything well. At all.

This is a strong statement

[Indomitable]

I had actually never heard of Fleming but after looking at his stats and watching some videos, he might be my favorite. I was a big Essengue guy, and still am, but Fleming looks so active and already is hitting 3's at a great clip while shooting almost 5 per game.

Honestly, I'd be happy with either, but I feel like Fleming is slightly ahead now.

Fleming
Essengue
...
Boyles

Fleming is a niece piece. He combines the the defensive instincts and offense skills I like.