PG: that sucked

[HEZI]

Shouldn’t even need KAT to beat the Pistons. If Brunson and Cade cancel each other out the all you need is better production from the others to cancel out Tobias Harris and Dennis Schroeder. We traded 5 first round for a guy who can’t outplay either of those two and that’s just embarrassing

that's wild. i picked knicks to sweep. (glad i didn't put money on it.) but detroit is a good team! they on the way up.

it's not just matching names on paper. last night should have exemplified that sometimes it's about heart. that's their superpower. you can never discount that.

They don’t even have their 2nd best player Jaden Ivey who was having a breakout season before the injury. They are on the come up for sure.

I do agree sometimes it is just about heart and playing with a passion but also it does come down to focus, skill and ability. I think that’s what made Donte so likable and appreciated was that not only did he play with heart and hustle but dude was a flamethrower and fit in so well in his role. Hartenstein was a good fit too and also played with a lot of heart and hustle. This years team lacks so much and grit is certainly one of those things.

[K_ick_God]

Why doesn't Hart initiate offense? It's what he did all last playoffs. Suddenly nothing lol. Why does JB handle every time?

Hart was basically the PG last playoffs. Maybe only works with Donte but you don't know that. Let the man initiate at the top.

The opposing center will play about 20 feet off him if he's running offense, and they'll try and trap Brunson if Hart sets a screen for him. There's only two ways out of this with Hart, either he makes threes at a good percentage on volume, or you bench him for a center.


Also, all his hustle stuff is being drowned out because the Pistons have a younger, bigger, more athletic version of him in Ausar. The difference is the Pistons have realized you cannot play Ausar 35+mpg, so they keep him at 22mpg.

Yeah the Pistons do seem to be able to nullify his athletic / size advantage. But he wasn't shooting last year either. Not a lot. He's a good passer. If nothing else it rests JB some.

[JayTWill]

its not taking it out of his hands its making the offense more efficient. Duren isn't going to pick up hart full court...so just let him bring it up and we get into our offense way fast...too many time we start our possession with 14-15 on the shot clock and we are barely passing half court. So then when our first action is denied we are already up against the shot clock instead of being able to reset with enough time to counter.

If its a pride thing then thats bull ****....

i agree with you about this, what i'm saying is that i think that sadly it is a pride/totem pole thing

That's the game people. That is why the bench sits. They make less money than Tom. Nobody that makes more sits.

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He just benched "Mr. 5 Picks" for almost the entire 4th quarter in the previous game. Thibs isn't just some powerless individual standing on the sidelines.

[Najeem27]

You have to do better than this in 33 minutes when you are an all-star starter. Brunson and Thibs are not responsible for only 6 rebounds and 0 pts in the 2nd half.

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Hes not assertive enough and he doesn’t pass the ball out quickly out of double teams to an open shooter like Randle did. I think KAT might be a third option. We gotta get a real second option in the summer.

What playoffs with us did any of this happen in?

He thought he was posting on the Timberwolves reddit/board lmao

[mpharris36]

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hilarious...our elite two man game....we don't even use them together.

With Tobias Harris guarding KAT non the less....

[3toheadmelo]

You have to do better than this in 33 minutes when you are an all-star starter. Brunson and Thibs are not responsible for only 6 rebounds and 0 pts in the 2nd half.

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Hes not assertive enough and he doesn’t pass the ball out quickly out of double teams to an open shooter like Randle did. I think KAT might be a third option. We gotta get a real second option in the summer.

What playoffs with us did any of this happen in?

Did this on one ankle too

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[K_ick_God]

Ur joking right lol

No I'm not because I think if we are not going to let KAT be a dominant force in the offense, we are better off with Donte and Randle sucking up oxygen.

Donte and IHart was a big loss but Randle is joke. All Randle did was dribble and turn the ball over like this

I don't like Randle at all. I think Donte was important. I don't think you're going far with Randle. But KAT is like a non-factor. That's really crazy lol.

Randle would at least take the ball out of JB's hands some. What we have is sort of worst case. Our most talented big is not able to get the ball.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Can they renounce their God king? If they can, they're welcome. But, watching the way those 2 games were coached and coming away thinking that man is good is basically being in a cult at this point.

https://www.ice.gov/


Thibslamists need to be snitched on at this point.

well, i will not be denouncing my faith. but at the nation of thibslam we embrace an evolving and socially conscious form of liberation theology. we share the goal of reaching the promised land. let's build, not destroy.

i can't speak for the other sects.

my brother. i am also aware that you are a proponent of strategically informing the authorities, known colloquially as snitching. i cannot tell another man how to walk his path, but this will leave you ostracized like alfamega.

Sounds like the nation of Thibslam needs democracy to me, I follow American ideology of replacing your faith with my own so that we can both agree with me.


Thibslam is a pathway to unemployement, please don't follow it into the light. When he is gone, we will dance in the streets of the Bronx and rejoice.





If the face was clearer I would put Thibs face on there

this is where you are wrong, my brother. many of us in the nation were already unemployed or incarcerated.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Why doesn't Hart initiate offense? It's what he did all last playoffs. Suddenly nothing lol. Why does JB handle every time?

Hart was basically the PG last playoffs. Maybe only works with Donte but you don't know that. Let the man initiate at the top.

The opposing center will play about 20 feet off him if he's running offense, and they'll try and trap Brunson if Hart sets a screen for him. There's only two ways out of this with Hart, either he makes threes at a good percentage on volume, or you bench him for a center.


Also, all his hustle stuff is being drowned out because the Pistons have a younger, bigger, more athletic version of him in Ausar. The difference is the Pistons have realized you cannot play Ausar 35+mpg, so they keep him at 22mpg.

I keep saying this then use Hart as an off ball screener...You can get KAT/OG/Mikal open shots if the center isn't connected to Hart. Its what GS does with draymond all the time. They don't aways have him on the ball because teams can sag but you can use that to your benefit if Harts defender isn't connected then how do KAT/Mikal/OG's man be able to recover in enough time if they aren't getting help?

zero creativity. If you are just going to use him and make him a floor spacer you are playing right into what the team wants...if you are playing him just as an on ball screener they just trap.

So use him as an off ball/pin down screener and if Duren isn't connected we should be able to get clean looks for other players.

Realistically, I'd just take him out the game and use him as a bench player. If the opposing team is going to guard him with a center, give them a big center that they have to worry about.

I'd also go with Brunson, Bridges or Deuce, OG, KAT and Mitch when they bring in Schroder.

[kNicksGmen]

it's the high post triple threat. shoot the midrange if uncontested (usually never left alone). drive if closed out on. keep an eye out for cutters if one gets free. maybe only jokic better at the action that's supposed to come from that.

it's also much easier to establish that position. even in today's NBA most teams won't just let KAT set up shop 5 feet away.

edit: it was a disaster for Detroit when KAT got that low post position in game 1.

I agree with you that the point is to get KAT in the pinch post. For us to take full advantage of it, we need Jalen to turn the corner and force KAT's man to hedge over to him, which should leave KAT completely open or able to run the rim with Jalen's man, which should be a PG, on him.

The complication is that Jalen is being guarded by a wing and so is KAT, so there is no advantage created off of that action. So we spend time getting the wing switched off of Jalen, but that doesn't solve that the wing is still on KAT.

He's still in the high post, but there is now only 10-13 secs left on the clock, so we just give it to him and let him drive.

We HAVE TO get Hart's man to switch on to KAT. It is imperative.

KAT and JB being unable to execute a reliable pick and roll or pick and pop is very concerning. for all the talent they both have, neither are good at basketball's simplest action since the 60s.

in game 1 we saw KAT activated and technically sound on defense. if the man could set a screen...

i've said this since early in the year but people threw stats at me that it was one of the most productive actions in the league. i have to assume it was brunson using the advantage to score because he rarely if ever was hitting Kat on a pop or roll for an easy basket.

[mpharris36]

Hart value is he should always be in constant motion....playing with high energy...but he has lapses because I do think he gets tired even if they wont admit it...he shouldnt be playing 40+ mintues...he should be playing low to maybe mid 30's...and he should be playing like a crazy man for all those minutes.

I would rather Hart go harder for short stints then just being out there...and Mitch is healthy now he should have a bigger role especially since you didn't trade him...so you need to play the two big lineup or whats the pt?

[K_ick_God]

You're not winning this series on the back of Precious. But he is a mobile defender who has good hands and gets offensive boards.

IF NOTHING ELSE, you change something up. They are tied but should be down 0-2. The offense is a horror show, the rebounding is only slightly less of a horror show. We get nothing near the basket that's easy unless Hart cuts or Payne drives. Precious can maybe give you a small spark, and he def gives you a diff look.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Hes not assertive enough and he doesn’t pass the ball out quickly out of double teams to an open shooter like Randle did. I think KAT might be a third option. We gotta get a real second option in the summer.

What playoffs with us did any of this happen in?

Did this on one ankle too

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What did he do after that once they adjusted?

[3toheadmelo]

No I'm not because I think if we are not going to let KAT be a dominant force in the offense, we are better off with Donte and Randle sucking up oxygen.

Donte and IHart was a big loss but Randle is joke. All Randle did was dribble and turn the ball over like this

I don't like Randle at all. I think Donte was important. I don't think you're going far with Randle. But KAT is like a non-factor. That's really crazy lol.

Randle would at least take the ball out of JB's hands some. What we have is sort of worst case. Our most talented big is not able to get the ball.

Yeah, no one is saying Randle would be our number one savior. We really just need another creator. Randle was the only creator we had next to Brunson for the past couple of years. We got rid of him and that’s why our offense looks really ugly now. It’s not rocket science

[Buttah304]

If these numbers don’t concern you then I feel as a group RealGM should get a collective lobotomy.

Brunson’s USG% on the year is around 28% and last night it was 39.4% - that represents a 40% increase.

NBA teams AVG time of possession in 24-25 was 14.4 seconds - Brunson himself was at 10.6 seconds in Game 2 in case you are wondering why we are never a hockey assist away from a functional possession. There is no mismatch hunting, transition oops, double screens, stagger screens, pin downs or curl plays. We don’t push the pace off a missed FG or FTA - it’s stuck in the mud.

As far as touches are concerned, Brunson had 104 last night when he was closer to 84 on the season.

In fact, if you look at game 2 as far as who Jalen passed the ball to, Bridges received 38, Hart 32 and KAT only had 12 passes delivered from JB.

This offense is an utter indictment of Thibs and it’s truly the worst coaching I’ve seen him do across 6 years as a Knick HC. He has no clue how to adapt to his player personnel or the opposing HC, he will never be proactive to seek a way to win on the margins. It’s laughable.

dr. buttah, context matters.

it's easy to look at those numbers and not think about why. that usage wasn't the gameplan. the variance you point out inherently says as much. they know we know we should be moving the ball. that's why they forced the ISOs and won.

if you listen to thibs talk, you often hear him agreeing with what posters complain about and trying to get the players to execute it. is it possible he can't? sure. different conversation. but to think a 2X COY doesn't know what you're saying makes me laugh out loud on this forum.

like, "oh snap. user X really thinks they not only 'know ball' more than a lifelong professional... they think said pro doesn't even conceptually know what we're talking about." it's insulting to the coach and readers.

Respectfully, it just sounds like you’re okay with making every excuse in the book for Thibs when we have seen this same movie play out over the course of his career.

We have the right as fans to criticize what we don’t like about the HC. To be clear what I don’t love is the following:

#22 in defense after time out
#16 in offense after time out
#26 in PACE this year and #30 last season
#26 defensive 3PT % and DIFF % this year
#13 in playoff front court touches (with KAT)
#1 in time of possession in playoffs yet we are #13 out of 16 in potential assists

In the words of Ric Flair, “Last year I spent more money on spilt liquor in bars from one side of the world to the other then you made” - with respect to Thibs I will fully acknowledge that he will forget more about basketball then all of us posters will ever learn.

Having said that, just because you are a 2x COTY does not mean that you can’t simultaneously have severe flaws. That you might not actually be a championship level HC in 2025. The lack of creativity in what we run quite literally pops off the screen. He just seems set in his ways.

It’s funny, over the years I have watched countless Spo coached playoff games and I’ve seen Strus, Vincent and Duncan have utterly horrific first halves. That still didn’t stop Spo from specifically running an action/designing a play to free them up in the 3rd/4th to instill confidence in his role players and catch the defense sleeping.

Yes, Payne and Shamet had a bad 3min sub pattern in the 2nd but good coaching isn’t banishing them to the damn underworld after one of them just won you a playoff game.

As a HC your literal job is to know when and where to press the right buttons strategically over the course of a game but Thibs treats it like an/off switch. I just expect better coaching across the board and quite frankly every die hard fan should as well.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I agree with you that the point is to get KAT in the pinch post. For us to take full advantage of it, we need Jalen to turn the corner and force KAT's man to hedge over to him, which should leave KAT completely open or able to run the rim with Jalen's man, which should be a PG, on him.

The complication is that Jalen is being guarded by a wing and so is KAT, so there is no advantage created off of that action. So we spend time getting the wing switched off of Jalen, but that doesn't solve that the wing is still on KAT.

He's still in the high post, but there is now only 10-13 secs left on the clock, so we just give it to him and let him drive.

We HAVE TO get Hart's man to switch on to KAT. It is imperative.

KAT and JB being unable to execute a reliable pick and roll or pick and pop is very concerning. for all the talent they both have, neither are good at basketball's simplest action since the 60s.

in game 1 we saw KAT activated and technically sound on defense. if the man could set a screen...

i've said this since early in the year but people threw stats at me that it was one of the most production actions in the league. i have to assume it was brunson using the advantage to score because he rarely if ever was hitting Kat on a pop or roll for an easy basket.

i think they are both to blame. KAT is such a terrible screener it's not worth trying. and brunson has never really taken to p/r. to be fair, if the screen is good he's usually the right answer with a drive. KAT gives you the possibility to get KP-like buckets. but, alas. the screens. so bad.

[Gravy]

Hes not assertive enough and he doesn’t pass the ball out quickly out of double teams to an open shooter like Randle did. I think KAT might be a third option. We gotta get a real second option in the summer.

What playoffs with us did any of this happen in?

Did this on one ankle too

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I was about to post this but I know the Randle haters are wearing a wire trying to get us set up

[GONYK]

it's the high post triple threat. shoot the midrange if uncontested (usually never left alone). drive if closed out on. keep an eye out for cutters if one gets free. maybe only jokic better at the action that's supposed to come from that.

it's also much easier to establish that position. even in today's NBA most teams won't just let KAT set up shop 5 feet away.

edit: it was a disaster for Detroit when KAT got that low post position in game 1.

I agree with you that the point is to get KAT in the pinch post. For us to take full advantage of it, we need Jalen to turn the corner and force KAT's man to hedge over to him, which should leave KAT completely open or able to run the rim with Jalen's man, which should be a PG, on him.

The complication is that Jalen is being guarded by a wing and so is KAT, so there is no advantage created off of that action. So we spend time getting the wing switched off of Jalen, but that doesn't solve that the wing is still on KAT.

He's still in the high post, but there is now only 10-13 secs left on the clock, so we just give it to him and let him drive.

We HAVE TO get Hart's man to switch on to KAT. It is imperative.

KAT and JB being unable to execute a reliable pick and roll or pick and pop is very concerning. for all the talent they both have, neither are good at basketball's simplest action since the 60s.

in game 1 we saw KAT activated and technically sound on defense. if the man could set a screen...

This seems like a pretty big requirement for a successful PnR

[NoDopeOnSundays]

What playoffs with us did any of this happen in?

Did this on one ankle too

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I was about to post this but I know the Randle haters are wearing a wire trying to get us set up

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ONE singular game means nothing, and having you think it's a setup is the correct amount of fear I want yall living in

[god shammgod]

This man still talking about precious….Jesus lol