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[NoDopeOnSundays]

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I give thibs a lot of sh*t but this is a simple read for brunson...I mean what are we doing here....

He doesn't feed the KAT.

brunson has no feel for those plays where the open man is behind him. he is decent at kicking it out to the corner if it's in his peripheral vision, but behind his head is a complete blind spot. it's where you can say he has a poor "feel" as you can't expect anyone to see behind them, but he should know where Kat is, and based on where the defenders are - know that he's open behind him.

He does, but it has to be coached into him, and the iso ball stuff has to be coached out to a degree.





I've found the KP and Brunson game logs and can look at how they played, and it was night and day to what we see with him and KAT. He would drive with the express purpose of kicking it back out to KP a lot more than he does now, he'd also dribble towards KP, pass and then screen his man so he could shoot. That type of thing is all coaching. I won't flood the thread with the GIFs, but he looks like a completely different player with them.

We don't even use bigs to set screens for the ball handler, that has been a thing for 5 years now.

[DOT]

oh my god






You're really blaming the bench in a playoff game You're not a serious person.

So now we dont need a bench when every other team has a guy on their bench that can drop 15-20 a night. Schroder had 20 and the game winner but thibs should be okay with no weapons at all? Thats the kind of unfairness he had with his roster all season but people think our talent is on par with the Celtics. makes no sense

A playoff game and you're still trying "what about the bench" defense against a team we literally have more talent than, I cannot believe you're serious.

Wild thing to say when Cam Payne going off for 11 points in the 4th quarter of game 1 was huge for us, only for him to log 0 minutes the entire 2nd half of game 2. Thibs didn't even give him a chance to go off lol

It's just circular logic with the cult, Thibs doesn't play the bench because they suck, we know they suck because Thibs doesn't play them

This dude is gassing up Dennis Schroeder like he's prime Manu or something

[K_ick_God]

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need Mikal to make that but what are we doing here...this looks like tackle football....

Yeah, this is bullshyt. There must have been 5 other fouls like this during the game. Right in front of the ref! Is that Acosta?

it was, yup

Ref was distracted because he was rooting for the ball to miss and momentarily lost sight of the play under the basket. Not his fault.

[K_ick_God]

He doesn't feed the KAT.

brunson has no feel for those plays where the open man is behind him. he is decent at kicking it out to the corner if it's in his peripheral vision, but behind his head is a complete blind spot. it's where you can say he has a poor "feel" as you can't expect anyone to see behind them, but he should know where Kat is, and based on where the defenders are - know that he's open behind him.

He does, but it has to be coached into him, and the iso ball stuff has to be coached out to a degree.





I've found the KP and Brunson game logs and can look at how they played, and it was night and day to what we see with him and KAT. He would drive with the express purpose of kicking it back out to KP a lot more than he does now, he'd also dribble towards KP, pass and then screen his man so he could shoot. That type of thing is all coaching. I won't flood the thread with the GIFs, but he looks like a completely different player with them.

We don't even use bigs to set screens for the ball handler, that has been a thing for 5 years now.

[3toheadmelo]

He passed the ball more to KP than he does KAT, and he had the ball a lot less playing with Luka.


Matter of fact, do we ever run anything like this?

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Starting a KP vs KAT war eh

No, unfortunately for you and the Thibs defenders, I have found a treasure trove of Brunson passing to KP for three clips that I can turn into GIFs. I already had the stats and was gonna slow roast with those, but the GIFs are good too. Two centers on the floor running action we have never ever seen from ours, with multiple options, WCS screening for Tim off the ball, DFS could slip the screen if both went out to KP.....this is just a better coach.

I'll start making more of them and posting them in the fire thibs thread to rile up the troops , for now you get a sample.

I am very disappointed in your response. I was expecting you to start a new war, to see if you’re truly toxic but unfortunately you aren’t up to it. I have went against stronger individuals. This is weak Nodope. Weak!

[kNicksGmen]

He doesn't feed the KAT.

brunson has no feel for those plays where the open man is behind him. he is decent at kicking it out to the corner if it's in his peripheral vision, but behind his head is a complete blind spot. it's where you can say he has a poor "feel" as you can't expect anyone to see behind them, but he should know where Kat is, and based on where the defenders are - know that he's open behind him.

He does, but it has to be coached into him, and the iso ball stuff has to be coached out to a degree.





I've found the KP and Brunson game logs and can look at how they played, and it was night and day to what we see with him and KAT. He would drive with the express purpose of kicking it back out to KP a lot more than he does now, he'd also dribble towards KP, pass and then screen his man so he could shoot. That type of thing is all coaching. I won't flood the thread with the GIFs, but he looks like a completely different player with them.

We don't even use bigs to set screens for the ball handler, that has been a thing for 5 years now.

even in this example he's late on the pass and doesn't see KP until he dribbles all the way through and is facing him. compared to a guy like luka (i know unfair comp) who will literally do a no look pass or jump pass before even seeing his man open. it's a feel thing where you know once you've drawn the 2nd defender to you, that the guy they were guarding should be open.

but i agree the intent isn't there now. maybe now he feels like he's the #1 and alpha so it's his job to take the shots. i do think Thibs is a star enabler. we saw it with Randle and now brunson.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Starting a KP vs KAT war eh

No, unfortunately for you and the Thibs defenders, I have found a treasure trove of Brunson passing to KP for three clips that I can turn into GIFs. I already had the stats and was gonna slow roast with those, but the GIFs are good too. Two centers on the floor running action we have never ever seen from ours, with multiple options, WCS screening for Tim off the ball, DFS could slip the screen if both went out to KP.....this is just a better coach.

I'll start making more of them and posting them in the fire thibs thread to rile up the troops , for now you get a sample.

I am very disappointed in your response. I was expecting you to start a new war, to see if you’re truly toxic but unfortunately you aren’t up to it. I have went against stronger individuals. This is weak Nodope. Weak!

You have never seen anything like me, why would I deviate from Thibs when we smell blood? Prey is in sight, wounded and limping, no distractions fully locked in.

[K_ick_God]

So now we dont need a bench when every other team has a guy on their bench that can drop 15-20 a night. Schroder had 20 and the game winner but thibs should be okay with no weapons at all? Thats the kind of unfairness he had with his roster all season but people think our talent is on par with the Celtics. makes no sense

A playoff game and you're still trying "what about the bench" defense against a team we literally have more talent than, I cannot believe you're serious.

Wild thing to say when Cam Payne going off for 11 points in the 4th quarter of game 1 was huge for us, only for him to log 0 minutes the entire 2nd half of game 2. Thibs didn't even give him a chance to go off lol

It's just circular logic with the cult, Thibs doesn't play the bench because they suck, we know they suck because Thibs doesn't play them

This dude is gassing up Dennis Schroeder like he's prime Manu or something

There's some people that will never accept what is in front of them if they just have never believed it. Thibs thinks Cam sucks and JB is perfect. It's like what a simpleton would think. Of course Cam isn't carrying you to a win by himself, but you do need to finesse it and cultivate some other stuff -- if nothing else, it injects energy and keep defenses honest.

Thibs says nice things about Cam after the G1. But in truth, he's out of his mind.

Just like not playing Mitch is out of his mind. Precious has almost certainly played his last game as a Knick. Why? Nobody know really.

[K_ick_God]

Part of the reason this thing is sort of over, in my negative mind, is that there is no imagination.

He could have played Cam and JB or Deuce and JB and had a better result last night. MB is not here to sit on the bench, I get it, but I don't think any of us are TOO surprised that MB choked.

A great coach can see around corners some. It's part of the job. Being unpredictable is too.

[Fury]

I just wanna see a lineup of Brunson, Deuce, Mikal, OG and KAT. Just once.

[kNicksGmen]

Part of the reason this thing is sort of over, in my negative mind, is that there is no imagination.

He could have played Cam and JB or Deuce and JB and had a better result last night. MB is not here to sit on the bench, I get it, but I don't think any of us are TOO surprised that MB choked.

A great coach can see around corners some. It's part of the job. Being unpredictable is too.

he played Brunson and Deuce for a few minutes in the 4th but also with hart (instead of bridges)... he just can't get over the idea of not having enough rebounding.

we've played like 7 true 5 out minutes with JB the entire season. only other minutes are the 2nd unit with cam/deuce/shamet/kat + one of OG or bridges.

[K_ick_God]

Part of the reason this thing is sort of over, in my negative mind, is that there is no imagination.

He could have played Cam and JB or Deuce and JB and had a better result last night. MB is not here to sit on the bench, I get it, but I don't think any of us are TOO surprised that MB choked.

A great coach can see around corners some. It's part of the job. Being unpredictable is too.

he played Brunson and Deuce for a few minutes in the 4th but also with hart (instead of bridges)... he just can't get over the idea of not having enough rebounding.

we've played like 7 true 5 out minutes with JB the entire season. only other minutes are the 2nd unit with cam/deuce/shamet/kat + one of OG or bridges.

The rebounding already sucks.

[GONYK]

He doesn't feed the KAT.

brunson has no feel for those plays where the open man is behind him. he is decent at kicking it out to the corner if it's in his peripheral vision, but behind his head is a complete blind spot. it's where you can say he has a poor "feel" as you can't expect anyone to see behind them, but he should know where Kat is, and based on where the defenders are - know that he's open behind him.

He does, but it has to be coached into him, and the iso ball stuff has to be coached out to a degree.





I've found the KP and Brunson game logs and can look at how they played, and it was night and day to what we see with him and KAT. He would drive with the express purpose of kicking it back out to KP a lot more than he does now, he'd also dribble towards KP, pass and then screen his man so he could shoot. That type of thing is all coaching. I won't flood the thread with the GIFs, but he looks like a completely different player with them.

We don't even use bigs to set screens for the ball handler, that has been a thing for 5 years now.

There was more of an expectation of the play breaking that way because KPs role in the Dallas offense was based around hunting those opportunities.

Brunson should have made the read last night, but I wouldn't say the expectation has been ingrained that that is a consistent outcome in our offense. It's not like he missed that read 10x last night. It only occurred that one time.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Ima need someone to cook up an animorpheus of Mikal turning into Afflalo

tf you do

[NoDopeOnSundays]

brunson has no feel for those plays where the open man is behind him. he is decent at kicking it out to the corner if it's in his peripheral vision, but behind his head is a complete blind spot. it's where you can say he has a poor "feel" as you can't expect anyone to see behind them, but he should know where Kat is, and based on where the defenders are - know that he's open behind him.

He does, but it has to be coached into him, and the iso ball stuff has to be coached out to a degree.





I've found the KP and Brunson game logs and can look at how they played, and it was night and day to what we see with him and KAT. He would drive with the express purpose of kicking it back out to KP a lot more than he does now, he'd also dribble towards KP, pass and then screen his man so he could shoot. That type of thing is all coaching. I won't flood the thread with the GIFs, but he looks like a completely different player with them.

We don't even use bigs to set screens for the ball handler, that has been a thing for 5 years now.

even in this example he's late on the pass and doesn't see KP until he dribbles all the way through and is facing him. compared to a guy like luka (i know unfair comp) who will literally do a no look pass or jump pass before even seeing his man open. it's a feel thing where you know once you've drawn the 2nd defender to you, that the guy they were guarding should be open.

but i agree the intent isn't there now. maybe now he feels like he's the #1 and alpha so it's his job to take the shots. i do think Thibs is a star enabler. we saw it with Randle and now brunson.

Luka is a top 3 passer in the NBA, it's really not fair to talk about feel and compare Brunson to a prodigy. He has a good feel, but it needs to be coached, and when you want him to pass realistically he needs to be going to his left. A lot of our plays have him going to his right so he can do that sweep pickup with his left going for the foul. He threw several behind the back bounce passes to KP for three, going to his left -



That is so simple, yet we don't do it.

The numbers between his time with KP and KAT are crazy, because he's played with KAT more, and passes to him less. That is just a result of how we play on offense, we clear out one side of the court with no screens and let him iso or iso into a post up. It's archaic offense and even if we beat the Pistons we are going to get absolutely massacred by the Celtics.

[prophet_of_rage]

Kat in the locker room post game being asked about not taking a shot in the last 15 mins and he said he was running exactly what the team wanted to run

So yea, sounds like a thibs issue. It’s been like this any team he was head coach. The offense is ran through the player who can isolate the best.

The reason it worked more last season was because we had two iso options in JB and Randle and they took turns and JB wasn’t going to alpha Randle because Randle won’t play that. Towns is more willing to sit back and isnt an iso guy so everything is ran through JB. That’s how thibs wants it and Brunson is happy to comply.

Correct.

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[Jeff Van Gully]

It's hilarious that for all the guys dribbling on the perimeter and deciding what to do -- which is our whole offense -- I'd be much more comfortable with KAT doing that than anybody else. So even within the structure of Thibs' completely predictable offense, we are avoiding the one guy who can probably bail us out.

That's so Knicks.

nah KG you kinda cooking right now. ngl.

[Gravy]

So now we dont need a bench when every other team has a guy on their bench that can drop 15-20 a night. Schroder had 20 and the game winner but thibs should be okay with no weapons at all? Thats the kind of unfairness he had with his roster all season but people think our talent is on par with the Celtics. makes no sense

A playoff game and you're still trying "what about the bench" defense against a team we literally have more talent than, I cannot believe you're serious.

We all knew the bench was going to get minimized in the playoffs. That's why we kept saying Thibs had to preserve his guys in the regular season, so the main guys could step up and play lots of minutes when it mattered. Teams have won by cutting down the bench minutes in the postseason.

I don't think it's worth talking about a bench dude being able to score 15-20. We can't even get KAT to take shots in crunch time of a playoff game. If KAT is not getting shots and he's not even pulling Duren out of the paint, then are we really expecting him to add value on the basis of his defense?

How do you explain KAT only getting 6 rebounds all game?

[prophet_of_rage]

The idea that Thibs has more control than Brunson here is preposterous. Ewing didn’t have the power that Brunson has in this organization. When Donte came back what did he say ? He said that’s what happens when you let Rick Brunson run the team Thibs. What does that tell you?

But this conflates the issue of control with smart basketball. He runs the organization so he gets to double everybody up in shots? Maybe the main thing is that he's really a shooting guard who can dribble. That makes more sense than control.

He of course wants to win but he played the last two games like he wants to score 30 first and hopefully that's good enough for a win.

Almost as if he's self ... selecting. Hmmmm.

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[kNicksGmen]

He does, but it has to be coached into him, and the iso ball stuff has to be coached out to a degree.





I've found the KP and Brunson game logs and can look at how they played, and it was night and day to what we see with him and KAT. He would drive with the express purpose of kicking it back out to KP a lot more than he does now, he'd also dribble towards KP, pass and then screen his man so he could shoot. That type of thing is all coaching. I won't flood the thread with the GIFs, but he looks like a completely different player with them.

We don't even use bigs to set screens for the ball handler, that has been a thing for 5 years now.

even in this example he's late on the pass and doesn't see KP until he dribbles all the way through and is facing him. compared to a guy like luka (i know unfair comp) who will literally do a no look pass or jump pass before even seeing his man open. it's a feel thing where you know once you've drawn the 2nd defender to you, that the guy they were guarding should be open.

but i agree the intent isn't there now. maybe now he feels like he's the #1 and alpha so it's his job to take the shots. i do think Thibs is a star enabler. we saw it with Randle and now brunson.

Luka is a top 3 passer in the NBA, it's really not fair to talk about feel and compare Brunson to a prodigy. He has a good feel, but it needs to be coached, and when you want him to pass realistically he needs to be going to his left. A lot of our plays have him going to his right so he can do that sweep pickup with his left going for the foul. He threw several behind the back bounce passes to KP for three, going to his left -



That is so simple, yet we don't do it.

The numbers between his time with KP and KAT are crazy, because he's played with KAT more, and passes to him less. That is just a result of how we play on offense, we clear out one side of the court with no screens and let him iso or iso into a post up. It's archaic offense and even if we beat the Pistons we are going to get absolutely massacred by the Celtics.

that is a better example and yea i've seen it all year that he rarely passes to Kat other than when he's established in the post. cam payne has a far far higher assist rate to Kat per minute.