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Guano wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Guano wrote:
Using a senile ol' man.
He is talkin' about YOU
You are talking about the great site administrator of Knicks realgm who can make you disappear within seconds, I think you might want to watch your language towards him guan0! KG is a great knowledgeable person to talk basketball with!
You and kg
god shammgod wrote:The idea that Thibs has more control than Brunson here is preposterous. Ewing didn’t have the power that Brunson has in this organization. When Donte came back what did he say ? He said that’s what happens when you let Rick Brunson run the team Thibs. What does that tell you?
Jeff Van Gully wrote:KnicksGod wrote:It's hilarious that for all the guys dribbling on the perimeter and deciding what to do -- which is our whole offense -- I'd be much more comfortable with KAT doing that than anybody else. So even within the structure of Thibs' completely predictable offense, we are avoiding the one guy who can probably bail us out.
That's so Knicks.
nah KG you kinda cooking right now. ngl.
Bingo. Big bank takes little.bank.god shammgod wrote:KnicksGod wrote:god shammgod wrote:The idea that Thibs has more control than Brunson here is preposterous. Ewing didn’t have the power that Brunson has in this organization. When Donte came back what did he say ? He said that’s what happens when you let Rick Brunson run the team Thibs. What does that tell you?
But this conflates the issue of control with smart basketball. He runs the organization so he gets to double everybody up in shots? Maybe the main thing is that he's really a shooting guard who can dribble. That makes more sense than control.
He of course wants to win but he played the last two games like he wants to score 30 first and hopefully that's good enough for a win.
And Thibs can show him in the film room where he should have passed and if he doesn’t in the next game, all he can do is show him again. You guys never understand the power dynamics in the nba
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:kNicksGmen wrote:even in this example he's late on the pass and doesn't see KP until he dribbles all the way through and is facing him. compared to a guy like luka (i know unfair comp) who will literally do a no look pass or jump pass before even seeing his man open. it's a feel thing where you know once you've drawn the 2nd defender to you, that the guy they were guarding should be open.NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
He does, but it has to be coached into him, and the iso ball stuff has to be coached out to a degree.
I've found the KP and Brunson game logs and can look at how they played, and it was night and day to what we see with him and KAT. He would drive with the express purpose of kicking it back out to KP a lot more than he does now, he'd also dribble towards KP, pass and then screen his man so he could shoot. That type of thing is all coaching. I won't flood the thread with the GIFs, but he looks like a completely different player with them.
We don't even use bigs to set screens for the ball handler, that has been a thing for 5 years now.
but i agree the intent isn't there now. maybe now he feels like he's the #1 and alpha so it's his job to take the shots. i do think Thibs is a star enabler. we saw it with Randle and now brunson.
Luka is a top 3 passer in the NBA, it's really not fair to talk about feel and compare Brunson to a prodigy. He has a good feel, but it needs to be coached, and when you want him to pass realistically he needs to be going to his left. A lot of our plays have him going to his right so he can do that sweep pickup with his left going for the foul. He threw several behind the back bounce passes to KP for three, going to his left -
That is so simple, yet we don't do it.
The numbers between his time with KP and KAT are crazy, because he's played with KAT more, and passes to him less. That is just a result of how we play on offense, we clear out one side of the court with no screens and let him iso or iso into a post up. It's archaic offense and even if we beat the Pistons we are going to get absolutely massacred by the Celtics.
Gravy wrote:KnicksGadfly wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
A playoff game and you're still trying "what about the bench" defense against a team we literally have more talent than, I cannot believe you're serious.
We all knew the bench was going to get minimized in the playoffs. That's why we kept saying Thibs had to preserve his guys in the regular season, so the main guys could step up and play lots of minutes when it mattered. Teams have won by cutting down the bench minutes in the postseason.
I don't think it's worth talking about a bench dude being able to score 15-20. We can't even get KAT to take shots in crunch time of a playoff game. If KAT is not getting shots and he's not even pulling Duren out of the paint, then are we really expecting him to add value on the basis of his defense?
How do you explain KAT only getting 6 rebounds all game?
Gravy wrote:Yall went from the bench is good to we dont need a bench lol
mpharris36 wrote:https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxbSRPsoxeb5Ma6itFrktxWk_2HBV4wffo?si=eLcARi5f0UFzR_DX
watch this damn clip...we ran this set once...ONCE and it got Brunson an open 3...using Hart as an off ball down screener to get on of our scorer open...the fact we haven't spammed this play or other plays is crazy so me.
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brunson eFG% in catch and shoot sky rockets...if they over play or help off then you will have hart open down low....you can also run this for KAT/Mikal/OG anyone that you want to get open for a shot but especially brunson because what they will have to do is either switch or help off which gives Brunson driving lanes as well off the catch if they overplay.
SPAM IT!!! U DUMMY!
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
No, unfortunately for you and the Thibs defenders, I have found a treasure trove of Brunson passing to KP for three clips that I can turn into GIFs. I already had the stats and was gonna slow roast with those, but the GIFs are good too. Two centers on the floor running action we have never ever seen from ours, with multiple options, WCS screening for Tim off the ball, DFS could slip the screen if both went out to KP.....this is just a better coach.
I'll start making more of them and posting them in the fire thibs thread to rile up the troops, for now you get a sample.
I am very disappointed in your response. I was expecting you to start a new war, to see if you’re truly toxic but unfortunately you aren’t up to it. I have went against stronger individuals. This is weak Nodope. Weak!
You have never seen anything like me, why would I deviate from Thibs when we smell blood? Prey is in sight, wounded and limping, no distractions fully locked in.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Gravy wrote:Yall went from the bench is good to we dont need a bench lol
Everyone knew the bench wouldn't play in the playoffs, yet another Gravy strawman argument against the unseen "yall" who he's in a constant eternal battle with.
Jeff Van Gully wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Ima need someone to cook up an animorpheus of Mikal turning into Afflalo
tf you do
Brunson didn't pass to mitxh last season, either.TheGreenArrow wrote:?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g
kNicksGmen wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:kNicksGmen wrote:even in this example he's late on the pass and doesn't see KP until he dribbles all the way through and is facing him. compared to a guy like luka (i know unfair comp) who will literally do a no look pass or jump pass before even seeing his man open. it's a feel thing where you know once you've drawn the 2nd defender to you, that the guy they were guarding should be open.
but i agree the intent isn't there now. maybe now he feels like he's the #1 and alpha so it's his job to take the shots. i do think Thibs is a star enabler. we saw it with Randle and now brunson.
Luka is a top 3 passer in the NBA, it's really not fair to talk about feel and compare Brunson to a prodigy. He has a good feel, but it needs to be coached, and when you want him to pass realistically he needs to be going to his left. A lot of our plays have him going to his right so he can do that sweep pickup with his left going for the foul. He threw several behind the back bounce passes to KP for three, going to his left -
That is so simple, yet we don't do it.
The numbers between his time with KP and KAT are crazy, because he's played with KAT more, and passes to him less. That is just a result of how we play on offense, we clear out one side of the court with no screens and let him iso or iso into a post up. It's archaic offense and even if we beat the Pistons we are going to get absolutely massacred by the Celtics.
that is a better example and yea i've seen it all year that he rarely passes to Kat other than when he's established in the post. cam payne has a far far higher assist rate to Kat per minute.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Gravy wrote:Yall went from the bench is good to we dont need a bench lol
Everyone knew the bench wouldn't play in the playoffs, yet another Gravy strawman argument against the unseen "yall" who he's in a constant eternal battle with.
3toheadmelo wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:I am very disappointed in your response. I was expecting you to start a new war, to see if you’re truly toxic but unfortunately you aren’t up to it. I have went against stronger individuals. This is weak Nodope. Weak!
You have never seen anything like me, why would I deviate from Thibs when we smell blood? Prey is in sight, wounded and limping, no distractions fully locked in.
A true toxic person with a lot of hatred in their blood would’ve taken that opportunity to start a new player war with no hesitation. The toxicity of this board stems from the player wars we have had for years and years. A coaching war has never even resulted in anyone being suspended over it. You want to fight in g league wars while I am trying to start a world war 3.
He can't do that regularly. If it becomes player versus coach you see who is removed. They just fired Mike Malone and Joerger right before the playoffs for those kind of decisions.JayTWill wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:That's the game people. That is why the bench sits. They make less money than Tom. Nobody that makes more sits.rajajackal wrote:i agree with you about this, what i'm saying is that i think that sadly it is a pride/totem pole thing
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He just benched "Mr. 5 Picks" for almost the entire 4th quarter in the previous game. Thibs isn't just some powerless individual standing on the sidelines.
