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bobsacamano wrote:(snip)
Instead I’m fully expecting another athlete with meh college production that ain’t helping much years 1 and 2.
MVP2110 wrote:Do you guys think we need a safety and aren't sold on Evan Williams or what would you do with someone like Emmanwori or Watts?
MVP2110 wrote:Do you guys think we need a safety and aren't sold on Evan Williams or what would you do with someone like Emmanwori or Watts?
dbrodz7 wrote:MVP2110 wrote:Do you guys think we need a safety and aren't sold on Evan Williams or what would you do with someone like Emmanwori or Watts?
Wasn't our defense considerably worse whenever Williams left a game early or didn't play? I don't think they're going to prioritize safety.
Profound23 wrote:MVP2110 wrote:Do you guys think we need a safety and aren't sold on Evan Williams or what would you do with someone like Emmanwori or Watts?
I just don't draft for need. Love the safeties we have. But if Emmanwori is the top guy on my board when it's time to draft I take him and figure everything out later. Or find someone else who likes him as much as I do and try to get future picks.
Drafting for need is how you get Vonnie Holliday over Randy Moss. As soon as we made that pick I knew we would regret it and said to myself that I would never draft need over BPA.
Evan Williams, Bullard, Oladapo all showed signs last year. But imagine passing on someone like Emmanwori and he becomes the next Ed Reed because you had a guy who was the next Malik Hooker.
ReasonablySober wrote:The Packers just did this last year when they took Morgan without there being a clear spot for him to play. Injuries happen, guys get cut, young guys need some time to develop, etc. I like him but don't think Bullard was so good that you can pencil him in for the next eight years. Williams too, tbh.
The Packers just need good players everywhere.
ReasonablySober wrote:Enjoy seeing different opinions. Nice work.
Campbell and Membou at the top is pretty wild. I don't think of either as a true franchise OT and probably would have ranked them below the top five OT from last year.
Barron at #41 but Hairston at #7 raised my eyebrows.
Your disdain for TEs and RB is well noted but Jeanty at 33 and Warren at 46 is incredible. Arguably the two best players in college football last season and both look ready to dominate on day one in the NFL. Those two are the Bowers of this class.
ReasonablySober wrote:Eh, I think it's a stretch to call Barron short and old. He's 5'11" and he'll be 23 for almost the entire season. Hairston is 5'11" and he'll be 22.
MVP2110 wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:Eh, I think it's a stretch to call Barron short and old. He's 5'11" and he'll be 23 for almost the entire season. Hairston is 5'11" and he'll be 22.
Barron will turn 24 this season whereas Hairston will turn 22 this season.
I watched a lot of film on the guys that my model found as outliers which was both of these two. I came away sort of feeling similar in that I thought both were good corners although I think Barron might be more of a slot CB than an outside guy. The thing is with Hairston being two years younger and testing as well as he did I think his potential is quite a bit higher. I think his floor is an average outside starting CB and I think truly has elite potential. I don't see that same upside with Barron
ReasonablySober wrote:MVP2110 wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:Eh, I think it's a stretch to call Barron short and old. He's 5'11" and he'll be 23 for almost the entire season. Hairston is 5'11" and he'll be 22.
Barron will turn 24 this season whereas Hairston will turn 22 this season.
I watched a lot of film on the guys that my model found as outliers which was both of these two. I came away sort of feeling similar in that I thought both were good corners although I think Barron might be more of a slot CB than an outside guy. The thing is with Hairston being two years younger and testing as well as he did I think his potential is quite a bit higher. I think his floor is an average outside starting CB and I think truly has elite potential. I don't see that same upside with Barron
The thing with Barron is he's already elite. He's great at everything on the field. Coverage, ball skills, tackling...there's really no holes in his game. He plays a lot like Brian Branch, except Barron is a better athlete. I don't have him above a healthy Will Johnson, but I'll be honest that's also influenced how awesome Johnson was a freshman and I can't let it go. Barron was definitely the better player last season.
MVP2110 wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:MVP2110 wrote:
Barron will turn 24 this season whereas Hairston will turn 22 this season.
I watched a lot of film on the guys that my model found as outliers which was both of these two. I came away sort of feeling similar in that I thought both were good corners although I think Barron might be more of a slot CB than an outside guy. The thing is with Hairston being two years younger and testing as well as he did I think his potential is quite a bit higher. I think his floor is an average outside starting CB and I think truly has elite potential. I don't see that same upside with Barron
The thing with Barron is he's already elite. He's great at everything on the field. Coverage, ball skills, tackling...there's really no holes in his game. He plays a lot like Brian Branch, except Barron is a better athlete. I don't have him above a healthy Will Johnson, but I'll be honest that's also influenced how awesome Johnson was a freshman and I can't let it go. Barron was definitely the better player last season.
See, I'm not sure that Barron is already elite. I think he's a starting caliber CB, but I don't think he's a lockdown guy. I don't really see anything elite with him.
ReasonablySober wrote:MVP2110 wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:
The thing with Barron is he's already elite. He's great at everything on the field. Coverage, ball skills, tackling...there's really no holes in his game. He plays a lot like Brian Branch, except Barron is a better athlete. I don't have him above a healthy Will Johnson, but I'll be honest that's also influenced how awesome Johnson was a freshman and I can't let it go. Barron was definitely the better player last season.
See, I'm not sure that Barron is already elite. I think he's a starting caliber CB, but I don't think he's a lockdown guy. I don't really see anything elite with him.
Let's compare the two guys' best seasons. Barron this year, and Hairston the year prior because he was hurt this season.
Barron / Hairston
Reception percentage: 54.4% / 67.5%
Yards per reception: 7.7 / 9.8
Interceptions: 5 / 5
Pass breakups: 9 / 4
Passer rating against (NFL): 34.2 / 67.5
Touchdowns: 0 / 3
Penalties: 2 / 4
Barron was AP First Team All-American, First Team All-SEC, Jim Thorpe winner, finalist for the Bronco Norgurski. Peach Bowl MVP.
Hairston was 2nd Team All-SEC.
Hairston's got age on his side, but he's got a ways to go just to catch up to Barron.
Profound23 wrote:I agree about Barron. Last year I felt the same way about Latu and Jared Verse last year. Kept hearing how they are too old. We aren't drafting for the future. Packers keep drafting young players hoping to hit in the future. We need someone who can come in and play now. Barron is one of those guys.
It worked well with Kenny Clark, but continuously doing that has set us back some imo. Will Johnson would be a top 5 pick AND STILL MIGHT BE, if not for his injury status.
If Will Johnson falls into your lap you take him as he checks all of the boxes. But if you can't get him I would be happy with Barron.
MVP2110 wrote:Profound23 wrote:I agree about Barron. Last year I felt the same way about Latu and Jared Verse last year. Kept hearing how they are too old. We aren't drafting for the future. Packers keep drafting young players hoping to hit in the future. We need someone who can come in and play now. Barron is one of those guys.
It worked well with Kenny Clark, but continuously doing that has set us back some imo. Will Johnson would be a top 5 pick AND STILL MIGHT BE, if not for his injury status.
If Will Johnson falls into your lap you take him as he checks all of the boxes. But if you can't get him I would be happy with Barron.
I disagree that the Packers need to focus on next season. The Packers window is just opening up and should remain open for the next decade or so. We should be trying to find a guy that can contribute for the majority of that window, not just next season