Official NBA General Discussion 2024-25 V1.0

[Boogie!]

siakam has beaten giannis 5 straight times where are the lebronto memes for him

When realgm is this wrong about a player they just stay absolutely silent and will never admit when they are wrong.

Pascal Siakam HOF when it's all said and done

It's all just a function of the Barnes cult that spammed the board for a couple years. It's not limited to realgm. The barnes cult were harassing members of media on social media too.

Pascal in Indiana has been a success. Fred in Houston has been a success. Barnes taking the reins in toronto has been a failure. I guess nurse in philly has been a failure too but I don't think you can hold nurse accountable for that.

I could see Pascal get to HOF but he'll need to have some more success before he locks it up. He's such a good teammate and always has a good attitude too.

I’m not gonna call Barnes a failure yet… again as much as the siakam hate was hyperbole, calling Barnes a “failure” is equally dramatic… what is obvious though is that he’s not as good as initially hoped or expected and the delusional fanboys are as irrational as ever when defending him. Again, this is coming from someone who was advocating for Barnes to play more pg in his sophomore season… but I was never delusional enough to say he was more skilled than siakam. I’ve always supported Barnes but I’m also realistic about players skills and he definitely hasn’t improved in 2 years which is concerning.

[Boogie!]

When realgm is this wrong about a player they just stay absolutely silent and will never admit when they are wrong.

Pascal Siakam HOF when it's all said and done

It's all just a function of the Barnes cult that spammed the board for a couple years. It's not limited to realgm. The barnes cult were harassing members of media on social media too.

Pascal in Indiana has been a success. Fred in Houston has been a success. Barnes taking the reins in toronto has been a failure. I guess nurse in philly has been a failure too but I don't think you can hold nurse accountable for that.

I could see Pascal get to HOF but he'll need to have some more success before he locks it up. He's such a good teammate and always has a good attitude too.

Some posters are just dramatic....But the ones that wanted him traded didn't hate him as a player it was mostly due to the team being capped at a certain level with him as your main guy....Even if Pacers beat the Bucks do anyone think they will make a push to the finals? Prolly not....Good player but if Siakam is your number 1 with very limited depth your not winning much....

Siakam with another all star like Hailiburton and a very deep roster....a little better but still not championship material.

Love Siakam but he would never have succeeded in Toronto post Kawhi and it was bound for a breakup.

I’m regretting not trading Scottie for kd now…

[Nebuchadnezzar]

It's all just a function of the Barnes cult that spammed the board for a couple years. It's not limited to realgm. The barnes cult were harassing members of media on social media too.

Pascal in Indiana has been a success. Fred in Houston has been a success. Barnes taking the reins in toronto has been a failure. I guess nurse in philly has been a failure too but I don't think you can hold nurse accountable for that.

I could see Pascal get to HOF but he'll need to have some more success before he locks it up. He's such a good teammate and always has a good attitude too.

Some posters are just dramatic....But the ones that wanted him traded didn't hate him as a player it was mostly due to the team being capped at a certain level with him as your main guy....Even if Pacers beat the Bucks do anyone think they will make a push to the finals? Prolly not....Good player but if Siakam is your number 1 with very limited depth your not winning much....

Siakam with another all star like Hailiburton and a very deep roster....a little better but still not championship material.

Love Siakam but he would never have succeeded in Toronto post Kawhi and it was bound for a breakup.

I’m regretting not trading Scottie for kd now…

Could have traded:

Scottie + Trent + Achiuwa + Birch + Svi + 3 picks + 1 swap

Many including Lowe said Scottie was what was needed

[Pointgod]

If the Bucks are quickly eliminated....it could mean we see giannis on the move. If so....it'll be a battle between okc and Houston.

If okc wins the championship do they really need Gianni’s

Yes. You never say no to Giannis brah

[mdenny]

Some posters are just dramatic....But the ones that wanted him traded didn't hate him as a player it was mostly due to the team being capped at a certain level with him as your main guy....Even if Pacers beat the Bucks do anyone think they will make a push to the finals? Prolly not....Good player but if Siakam is your number 1 with very limited depth your not winning much....

Siakam with another all star like Hailiburton and a very deep roster....a little better but still not championship material.

Love Siakam but he would never have succeeded in Toronto post Kawhi and it was bound for a breakup.

I’m regretting not trading Scottie for kd now…

Could have traded:

Scottie + Trent + Achiuwa + Birch + Svi + 3 picks + 1 swap

Many including Lowe said Scottie was what was needed

I don't think that trade was getting made without scotty plus OG which wouldn't have left us with enough depth. So I don't think the Durant trade was the big miss.

[mdenny]

When realgm is this wrong about a player they just stay absolutely silent and will never admit when they are wrong.

Pascal Siakam HOF when it's all said and done

It's all just a function of the Barnes cult that spammed the board for a couple years. It's not limited to realgm. The barnes cult were harassing members of media on social media too.

Pascal in Indiana has been a success. Fred in Houston has been a success. Barnes taking the reins in toronto has been a failure. I guess nurse in philly has been a failure too but I don't think you can hold nurse accountable for that.

I could see Pascal get to HOF but he'll need to have some more success before he locks it up. He's such a good teammate and always has a good attitude too.

I’m not gonna call Barnes a failure yet… again as much as the siakam hate was hyperbole, calling Barnes a “failure” is equally dramatic… what is obvious though is that he’s not as good as initially hoped or expected and the delusional fanboys are as irrational as ever when defending him. Again, this is coming from someone who was advocating for Barnes to play more pg in his sophomore season… but I was never delusional enough to say he was more skilled than siakam. I’ve always supported Barnes but I’m also realistic about players skills and he definitely hasn’t improved in 2 years which is concerning.

I'm specifically referring to Barnes "having the keys to the franchise" as a failure. The raps may find success with Barnes as their 2nd/3rd or 4th best player. But he's not a franchise player.

That means you don't build around him. Ypu don't trade players because they aren't compatible with him. You don't consult him on FO decisions. Etc etc.

He's not nearly good enough for that type of role. You have to be at least a top 20 player for that. Barnes seems headed for top 50. Maybe top 40.

[Clutch0z24]

It's all just a function of the Barnes cult that spammed the board for a couple years. It's not limited to realgm. The barnes cult were harassing members of media on social media too.

Pascal in Indiana has been a success. Fred in Houston has been a success. Barnes taking the reins in toronto has been a failure. I guess nurse in philly has been a failure too but I don't think you can hold nurse accountable for that.

I could see Pascal get to HOF but he'll need to have some more success before he locks it up. He's such a good teammate and always has a good attitude too.

Some posters are just dramatic....But the ones that wanted him traded didn't hate him as a player it was mostly due to the team being capped at a certain level with him as your main guy....Even if Pacers beat the Bucks do anyone think they will make a push to the finals? Prolly not....Good player but if Siakam is your number 1 with very limited depth your not winning much....

Siakam with another all star like Hailiburton and a very deep roster....a little better but still not championship material.

Love Siakam but he would never have succeeded in Toronto post Kawhi and it was bound for a breakup.

I’m regretting not trading Scottie for kd now…

That deff would have been the move to make if you wanted to give the Raptors a few years of contention .....Masai was busy trying to go young while also keeping his vets....Kinda baffling move but yeah ....Barnes at that time could have gotten you KD easy.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I’m regretting not trading Scottie for kd now…

Could have traded:

Scottie + Trent + Achiuwa + Birch + Svi + 3 picks + 1 swap

Many including Lowe said Scottie was what was needed

I don't think that trade was getting made without scotty plus OG which wouldn't have left us with enough depth. So I don't think the Durant trade was the big miss.

It was absolutely on the table, the main trade being proposed did not include OG. The nets took Bridges and Johnson.

Scotty's stock was way higher at that time than either of those two coming off ROY.

[Clutch0z24]

Could have traded:

Scottie + Trent + Achiuwa + Birch + Svi + 3 picks + 1 swap

Many including Lowe said Scottie was what was needed

I don't think that trade was getting made without scotty plus OG which wouldn't have left us with enough depth. So I don't think the Durant trade was the big miss.

It was absolutely on the table, the main trade being proposed did not include OG. The nets took Bridges and Johnson.

Scotty's stock was way higher at the time coming of ROY

Yeah it would have been Barnes + Picks + Salary matching ....They would have took it and ran at that time....Barnes value was very high and still on his Rookie contract.

[mdenny]

I don't think that trade was getting made without scotty plus OG which wouldn't have left us with enough depth. So I don't think the Durant trade was the big miss.

It was absolutely on the table, the main trade being proposed did not include OG. The nets took Bridges and Johnson.

Scotty's stock was way higher at the time coming of ROY

Yeah it would have been Barnes + Picks + Salary matching ....They would have took it and ran at that time....Barnes value was very high and still on his Rookie contract.

Barnes value was higher on raptors realgm than it was around the league. He won ROY but it wasn't by huge consensus and no rookies really broke out fully in that season.

There was just so much Barnes hype in toronto. I don't believe the Nets would have taken that deal.

[Clutch0z24]

It was absolutely on the table, the main trade being proposed did not include OG. The nets took Bridges and Johnson.

Scotty's stock was way higher at the time coming of ROY

Yeah it would have been Barnes + Picks + Salary matching ....They would have took it and ran at that time....Barnes value was very high and still on his Rookie contract.

Barnes value was higher on raptors realgm than it was around the league. He won ROY but it wasn't by huge consensus and no rookies really broke out fully in that season.

There was just so much Barnes hype in toronto. I don't believe the Nets would have taken that deal.

There were legit reports from legit reporters that the Nets asking price was Barnes....I think Masai just felt he was legit a franchise changer....OG was not involved if Barnes was involved....Masai didn't want to trade Barnes thats why a deal never happened....Masai was trying to just do OG + Trent....Which was obviously a low ball offer....

KD For Barnes was deff on the table but can't really blame Masai for not wanting to do it at the time....A young ROY on a rookie contract for a 35 year old Durant seems hard to do at that time.

[mdenny]

Yeah it would have been Barnes + Picks + Salary matching ....They would have took it and ran at that time....Barnes value was very high and still on his Rookie contract.

Barnes value was higher on raptors realgm than it was around the league. He won ROY but it wasn't by huge consensus and no rookies really broke out fully in that season.

There was just so much Barnes hype in toronto. I don't believe the Nets would have taken that deal.

There were legit reports from legit reporters that the Nets asking price was Barnes....I think Masai just felt he was legit a franchise changer....OG was not involved if Barnes was involved....Masai didn't want to trade Barnes thats why a deal never happened....Masai was trying to just do OG + Trent....Which was obviously a low ball offer....

KD For Barnes was deff on the table but can't really blame Masai for not wanting to do it at the time....A young ROY on a rookie contract for a 35 year old Durant seems hard to do at that time.

I was there too bro amd i worked in raptors media. I remember the rumors. There were also rumors that OG was part of the request. Fact is, we don't know so it's a matter of opinion. And my opinion is that there's no way we'd get Durant without also giving them OG.

[Clutch0z24]

Barnes value was higher on raptors realgm than it was around the league. He won ROY but it wasn't by huge consensus and no rookies really broke out fully in that season.

There was just so much Barnes hype in toronto. I don't believe the Nets would have taken that deal.

There were legit reports from legit reporters that the Nets asking price was Barnes....I think Masai just felt he was legit a franchise changer....OG was not involved if Barnes was involved....Masai didn't want to trade Barnes thats why a deal never happened....Masai was trying to just do OG + Trent....Which was obviously a low ball offer....

KD For Barnes was deff on the table but can't really blame Masai for not wanting to do it at the time....A young ROY on a rookie contract for a 35 year old Durant seems hard to do at that time.

I was there too bro amd i worked in raptors media. I remember the rumors. There were also rumors that OG was part of the request. Fact is, we don't know so it's a matter of opinion. And my opinion is that there's no way we'd get Durant without also giving them OG.

I will listen to legit reporters who have big names in the industry saying otherwise than a Raptors real gm media member.

[mdenny]

If the Bucks are quickly eliminated....it could mean we see giannis on the move. If so....it'll be a battle between okc and Houston.

If okc wins the championship do they really need Gianni’s

Yes. You never say no to Giannis brah

Especially because Jdubs is about to get the max. Chet will get it next summer. And Sga will get supermax after that. So they're gonna start losing players as everyone gets paid.

[NinjaBro]

I was there too bro amd i worked in raptors media. I remember the rumors. There were also rumors that OG was part of the request. Fact is, we don't know so it's a matter of opinion. And my opinion is that there's no way we'd get Durant without also giving them OG.

Alex Wong is that you?

[mdenny]

I was there too bro amd i worked in raptors media. I remember the rumors. There were also rumors that OG was part of the request. Fact is, we don't know so it's a matter of opinion. And my opinion is that there's no way we'd get Durant without also giving them OG.

Alex Wong is that you?

I actually only have 5 shifts left after 23 years at TSN. Lost my job to the robots lol. Luckily....rogers doesn't use robots yet so I'm gonna try to go there in a few months.

In anycase...scotty wasn't a clear consensus ROY and no rookies really broke out that season. Paulo had a better ROY. And Durant was still a top 5 player.

A ROY (in a down year for rookies) and salary filler plus picks isn't enough for a top 5 player. In my opinion, wishful thinking. For all we know....that was the offer for KD and the Nets demanded OG be included (which wouldn't have made sense for toronto).

There's also a chance that this trade idea was widely overblown in the rumor mill. There might not have even been a discussion. There's no proof of anything. It was all speculation.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Barnes value was higher on raptors realgm than it was around the league. He won ROY but it wasn't by huge consensus and no rookies really broke out fully in that season.

There was just so much Barnes hype in toronto. I don't believe the Nets would have taken that deal.

There were legit reports from legit reporters that the Nets asking price was Barnes....I think Masai just felt he was legit a franchise changer....OG was not involved if Barnes was involved....Masai didn't want to trade Barnes thats why a deal never happened....Masai was trying to just do OG + Trent....Which was obviously a low ball offer....

KD For Barnes was deff on the table but can't really blame Masai for not wanting to do it at the time....A young ROY on a rookie contract for a 35 year old Durant seems hard to do at that time.

I was there too bro amd i worked in raptors media. I remember the rumors. There were also rumors that OG was part of the request. Fact is, we don't know so it's a matter of opinion. And my opinion is that there's no way we'd get Durant without also giving them OG.

Nope there was one initial report that was refuted because it didn't make sense, then it was focused on Barnes only.

[mdenny]

There were legit reports from legit reporters that the Nets asking price was Barnes....I think Masai just felt he was legit a franchise changer....OG was not involved if Barnes was involved....Masai didn't want to trade Barnes thats why a deal never happened....Masai was trying to just do OG + Trent....Which was obviously a low ball offer....

KD For Barnes was deff on the table but can't really blame Masai for not wanting to do it at the time....A young ROY on a rookie contract for a 35 year old Durant seems hard to do at that time.

I was there too bro amd i worked in raptors media. I remember the rumors. There were also rumors that OG was part of the request. Fact is, we don't know so it's a matter of opinion. And my opinion is that there's no way we'd get Durant without also giving them OG.

Nope there was one initial report that was refuted because it didn't make sense, then it was focused on Barnes only.

Believe what you want. There is zero proof that Masai turned down Durant for scotty/filler/picks.

[Clutch0z24]

I was there too bro amd i worked in raptors media. I remember the rumors. There were also rumors that OG was part of the request. Fact is, we don't know so it's a matter of opinion. And my opinion is that there's no way we'd get Durant without also giving them OG.

Nope there was one initial report that was refuted because it didn't make sense, then it was focused on Barnes only.

Believe what you want. There is zero proof that Masai turned down Durant for scotty/filler/picks.

This is from woj...



The Nets wanted Barnes Masai shut that down all the way through....OG did not have to be the player in addition to the deal....Prolly Precious or GTJR + Players to match salaries....It was 100 percent on the table and we would have kept OG if we gave up Barnes...That being said i still doubt KD/Siakam/FVV/OG make noise in the playoffs since we were lacking depth at that particular time as well as a proper Center.

[mdenny]

Nope there was one initial report that was refuted because it didn't make sense, then it was focused on Barnes only.

Believe what you want. There is zero proof that Masai turned down Durant for scotty/filler/picks.

This is from woj...



The Nets wanted Barnes Masai shut that down all the way through....OG did not have to be the player in addition to the deal....Prolly Precious or GTJR + Players to match salaries....It was 100 percent on the table and we would have kept OG if we gave up Barnes...That being said i still doubt KD/Siakam/FVV/OG make noise in the playoffs since we were lacking depth at that particular time as well as a proper Center.

You have provided no evidence that this was "100% on the table". But believe what you want.