The Bulls should go all in for Zion

[MrSparkle]

Why would Giannis want to come to Chicago rather than a more guaranteed championship destination like CLE or NYK? I could see a top team like OKC not wanting to rock the boat, but NYK surely does the deal. Or Denver, or Houston.

Chicago is worse than Milwaukee, the team he'd be leaving.

I don’t buy that.

You don’t think Giddey, Coby and Matas provide more help than Lillard’s last leg and Kuzma?

[jnrjr79]

Ok negative Nancy.

Well, that is the point. Nobody is debating his ability. I also don't think that anybody is disputing that we should trade for him, even if we gave up a lot, if we knew that he would average 60 games per season.

He did play in 70 games last season so he can do it if he is motivated enough. He hasn't been motivated since joining the pels because of what they did to AD before they drafted him. So a change of scenery is the only thing that is left for him to save his career why is still young at like 23-24.

I think it's a mistake to look at his availability purely in terms of motivation. Maybe there have been times where that has come in to play, but he has sustained actual injuries that would cause any player to lose significant time, and this is the same guy who was releasing videos of himself doing massive dunks when the team was holding them out to pressure the team into letting him back on the court.

[jnrjr79]

I think Giannis is really the player to keep an eye on. I'm hoping for an Indiana sweep. However, any first round exit will increase the chances of Giannis wanting out.

The Bulls not have the best pieces to trade for him, but Giannis seems fond of the Bulls brand based on past comments. Plus, it's not a far move for him, and that matters to some people.

The Bulls did sign one of his brothers in the past as well

The question here is whether Milwaukee will want to defer at all to his preferences as a thank you to him, or if it'll be more like a Portland/Dame situation where the team says "we'll honor your trade request, but we're taking the best deal we can get and not promising to send you to your preferred locale."

[WindyCityBorn]

Way I look at Zion is that he gives you a legit #1 option which could help with Matas development and make him the #2 and Giddy can be his near triple double self in the flow of the game with his assists being better with having a guy like Zion to pass the ball to for buckets.

For 35 games a season.

Ok negative Nancy.

The facts about Zion’s career are very negative.

[drosestruts]

For 35 games a season.

Ok negative Nancy.

The facts about Zion’s career are very negative.

I think this is true. I also think it's why Zion is even an option for us.

If Zion's career/resume didn't have any warts he simply wouldn't be rumored to be getting traded.

It's now about the price to acquire him. The thread is "Bulls should go all in" for Zion

I think the Bulls should certainly explore trading for Zion. I'd even be comfortable putting together a pretty competitive offer (White, 2025 pick, PDX pick) but I'd also walk away if they ask for more picks or Matas - because as to your point, Zion does come with some baggage.

[bullskokie]

Why would Giannis want to come to Chicago rather than a more guaranteed championship destination like CLE or NYK? I could see a top team like OKC not wanting to rock the boat, but NYK surely does the deal. Or Denver, or Houston.

Chicago is worse than Milwaukee, the team he'd be leaving.

I don’t buy that.

You don’t think Giddey, Coby and Matas provide more help than Lillard’s last leg and Kuzma?

No way getting Giannis without trading at least one of those guys.

[Red8911]

Other than Zion keep an eye on Giannis especially if they lose in the first round. Will most definitely take a lot more to than Zion to trade for him. Probably 5 years worth of picks and more.

I'd be keeping an eye on Durant too.

I have no idea what it will cost to trade for Durant, but he's clearly the best player of the bunch. He's also the oldest, most expensive, and is not signed for very long.

That’s more doubtful. I don’t think Bulls would go above and beyond to trade for KD, he simply isn’t the same player anymore.

Also KD himself will dictate where he gets traded and I’m pretty sure he would rather go to a team ready to win a championship. I’d be really surprised if he wanted to come to Chicago.

[Red8911]

Other than Zion keep an eye on Giannis especially if they lose in the first round. Will most definitely take a lot more to than Zion to trade for him. Probably 5 years worth of picks and more.

I'd go 4 plus Coby. I'm not sure Giannis could/would force his destination, but if he wants a championship, it would probably be elsewhere, but if he liket he area, maybe.

I think teams like NY, MEM, LAL or DEN might go hard. NO could try to make a Zion deal. In any case, we should be all over the situation given our expirings and picks to come away with a secondary asset.

If the Bulls were to somehow land Giannis then I’m sure there would be follow up moves to make this team more competitive.

[MrSparkle]

Why would Giannis want to come to Chicago rather than a more guaranteed championship destination like CLE or NYK? I could see a top team like OKC not wanting to rock the boat, but NYK surely does the deal. Or Denver, or Houston.

Chicago is worse than Milwaukee, the team he'd be leaving.

I don’t buy that.

You don’t think Giddey, Coby and Matas provide more help than Lillard’s last leg and Kuzma?

No way getting Giannis without trading at least one of those guys.

2027 free agency

[Bulliever2020]

I don’t buy that.

You don’t think Giddey, Coby and Matas provide more help than Lillard’s last leg and Kuzma?

No way getting Giannis without trading at least one of those guys.

2027 free agency

0% chance they let him get to free agency and lose him for nothing

[MrSparkle]

No way getting Giannis without trading at least one of those guys.

2027 free agency

0% chance they let him get to free agency and lose him for nothing

Well it’s not 0% until he signs a contract.

As it stands, his player option is the only salary in their 27/28 books, so maybe he’s the one that does the recruiting (to Milwaukee). But he’ll be 33 and it’s hard (scratch that: impossible) to build a depth chart if they need to sign 12 guys with cap space.

Although ultimately I see him being more interested in Luka and LA, if he leaves Milwaukee. They will also have cap flexibility.

Personally I see a 40% chance Giannis leaves. Bucks’ situation is pretty ugly. No FRPs, no prospects, and a really washed Lillard, who with Giannis costs $130M against the cap.

[Bulliever2020]

2027 free agency

0% chance they let him get to free agency and lose him for nothing

Well it’s not 0% until he signs a contract.

As it stands, his player option is the only salary in their 27/28 books, so maybe he’s the one that does the recruiting (to Milwaukee). But he’ll be 33 and it’s hard (scratch that: impossible) to build a depth chart if they need to sign 12 guys with cap space.

Although ultimately I see him being more interested in Luka and LA, if he leaves Milwaukee. They will also have cap flexibility.

Personally I see a 40% chance Giannis leaves. Bucks’ situation is pretty ugly. No FRPs, no prospects, and a really washed Lillard, who with Giannis costs $130M against the cap.

What I am saying is they will trade him before he hits free agency if it comes to that. There is no chance he walks without them getting assets back.

[Am2626]

I think Giannis is really the player to keep an eye on. I'm hoping for an Indiana sweep. However, any first round exit will increase the chances of Giannis wanting out.

The Bulls not have the best pieces to trade for him, but Giannis seems fond of the Bulls brand based on past comments. Plus, it's not a far move for him, and that matters to some people.

The Bulls did sign one of his brothers in the past as well

The question here is whether Milwaukee will want to defer at all to his preferences as a thank you to him, or if it'll be more like a Portland/Dame situation where the team says "we'll honor your trade request, but we're taking the best deal we can get and not promising to send you to your preferred locale."

I don’t get the sense that Giannis wants to leave Milwaukee. He has said before that the only way he leaves is if they force him out. He has said one day later in his career he could see himself play for the Bulls but that isn’t anytime soon.

[Jahensle]

Why would Giannis want to come to Chicago rather than a more guaranteed championship destination like CLE or NYK? I could see a top team like OKC not wanting to rock the boat, but NYK surely does the deal. Or Denver, or Houston.

Chicago is worse than Milwaukee, the team he'd be leaving.

I don’t buy that.

You don’t think Giddey, Coby and Matas provide more help than Lillard’s last leg and Kuzma?

No way getting Giannis without trading at least one of those guys.

We have all of our picks and the portland pick that looks like it has a realistic chance to convey next season and be a mid 1st.

We could offer them three unprotected firsts, 26/28/30 + the portland pick and a couple seconds down the road. They could take back Vuch/Ball who woud be expirings and I suppose the big reach here would be if they would want Patrick Williams. This would be a bit of a dream scenario in my mind. They essentially clear their books, get 4 1sts, some seconds and a young forward that could potentially be a component of their rebuild. I don't see them taking on more "win now" youngish players like Coby or Giddey.

Giddey Jones (resign) Carter
White Ayo 2nd round guard
Matas Heurter Terry
Giannis Phillips
Collins Smith (sorber/wolff/Newell etc.)

[jordanwilliams6]

I don’t buy that.

You don’t think Giddey, Coby and Matas provide more help than Lillard’s last leg and Kuzma?

No way getting Giannis without trading at least one of those guys.

We have all of our picks and the portland pick that looks like it has a realistic chance to convey next season and be a mid 1st.

We could offer them three unprotected firsts, 26/28/30 + the portland pick and a couple seconds down the road. They could take back Vuch/Ball who woud be expirings and I suppose the big reach here would be if they would want Patrick Williams. This would be a bit of a dream scenario in my mind. They essentially clear their books, get 4 1sts, some seconds and a young forward that could potentially be a component of their rebuild. I don't see them taking on more "win now" youngish players like Coby or Giddey.

Giddey Jones (resign) Carter
White Ayo 2nd round guard
Matas Heurter Terry
Giannis Phillips
Collins Smith (sorber/wolff/Newell etc.)

So we get to keep our 3 best prospects, clear our worst contract and give up some middling picks for a top 5 player?

Dreamland.

[Red8911]

I think Giannis is really the player to keep an eye on. I'm hoping for an Indiana sweep. However, any first round exit will increase the chances of Giannis wanting out.

The Bulls not have the best pieces to trade for him, but Giannis seems fond of the Bulls brand based on past comments. Plus, it's not a far move for him, and that matters to some people.

The Bulls did sign one of his brothers in the past as well

The question here is whether Milwaukee will want to defer at all to his preferences as a thank you to him, or if it'll be more like a Portland/Dame situation where the team says "we'll honor your trade request, but we're taking the best deal we can get and not promising to send you to your preferred locale."

I don’t get the sense that Giannis wants to leave Milwaukee. He has said before that the only way he leaves is if they force him out. He has said one day later in his career he could see himself play for the Bulls but that isn’t anytime soon.

Maybe not it seems like he respects them and wouldn’t ask out. But if things are looking bad they both might agree to move on.

Also want to add that Chicago has a big Greek community, not that it matters much but it could maybe help. He would sell a lot of jerseys playing for the bulls, if I had to guess probably double the rate than the Bucks.

[sco]

The question here is whether Milwaukee will want to defer at all to his preferences as a thank you to him, or if it'll be more like a Portland/Dame situation where the team says "we'll honor your trade request, but we're taking the best deal we can get and not promising to send you to your preferred locale."

I don’t get the sense that Giannis wants to leave Milwaukee. He has said before that the only way he leaves is if they force him out. He has said one day later in his career he could see himself play for the Bulls but that isn’t anytime soon.

Maybe not it seems like he respects them and wouldn’t ask out. But if things are looking bad they both might agree to move on.

Also want to add that Chicago has a big Greek community, not that it matters much but it could maybe help. He would sell a lot of jerseys playing for the bulls, if I had to guess probably double the rate than the Bucks.

Was watching Windy on ESPN last night. The story is that Giannis said that he won't feel his career is successful unless he wins another championship. He really gave no indication of interest of moving out of MIL. Windy said, it is clear to him that MIL spent the rest of its assets getting Dame and questioned whether they will spend the money to keep BroLo this offseason (who IMO has been a big part of MIL's success, that dude has been flatout amazing for them over the years on both ends - 139 3's and 148 blocks helped me win my fantasy league this season!...but he's old and may come back on a min deal just to not move).

[jnrjr79]

I don’t get the sense that Giannis wants to leave Milwaukee. He has said before that the only way he leaves is if they force him out. He has said one day later in his career he could see himself play for the Bulls but that isn’t anytime soon.

Maybe not it seems like he respects them and wouldn’t ask out. But if things are looking bad they both might agree to move on.

Also want to add that Chicago has a big Greek community, not that it matters much but it could maybe help. He would sell a lot of jerseys playing for the bulls, if I had to guess probably double the rate than the Bucks.

Was watching Windy on ESPN last night. The story is that Giannis said that he won't feel his career is successful unless he wins another championship. He really gave no indication of interest of moving out of MIL. Windy said, it is clear to him that MIL spent the rest of its assets getting Dame and questioned whether they will spend the money to keep BroLo this offseason (who IMO has been a big part of MIL's success, that dude has been flatout amazing for them over the years on both ends - 139 3's and 148 blocks helped me win my fantasy league this season!...but he's old and may come back on a min deal just to not move).

Even if they keep him, it sure seems like it doesn't matter in the scheme of things, because they need more than they have to get back into championship contention, and they just don't have any obvious pieces they can shuffle to get there.

[kodo]

Why would Giannis want to come to Chicago rather than a more guaranteed championship destination like CLE or NYK? I could see a top team like OKC not wanting to rock the boat, but NYK surely does the deal. Or Denver, or Houston.

Chicago is worse than Milwaukee, the team he'd be leaving.

I don’t buy that.

You don’t think Giddey, Coby and Matas provide more help than Lillard’s last leg and Kuzma?

Why is Giannis limited to only Chicago? He'll have a list like every superstar and a trade to NYK for OG & Mitch Robinson will have him on a 3rd seed. There are teams in this league that are better than Chicago, we couldn't even win a play-in game. Not to mention Thibs as a coach is 10x better than Donovan.

[jnrjr79]

Why would Giannis want to come to Chicago rather than a more guaranteed championship destination like CLE or NYK? I could see a top team like OKC not wanting to rock the boat, but NYK surely does the deal. Or Denver, or Houston.

Chicago is worse than Milwaukee, the team he'd be leaving.

I don’t buy that.

You don’t think Giddey, Coby and Matas provide more help than Lillard’s last leg and Kuzma?

Why is Giannis limited to only Chicago? He'll have a list like every superstar and a trade to NYK for OG & Mitch Robinson will have him on a 3rd seed. There are teams in this league that are better than Chicago, we couldn't even win a play-in game. Not to mention Thibs as a coach is 10x better than Donovan.

This is fine, so far as it goes, but we have no idea whether Milwaukee will trade him to his preferred destination vs. just take the best they can get for the franchise, if they do decide to deal.

Mostly I think people are projecting he might like a deal to Chicago (if it matters what he wants) based on his past comments. If his preference is simply "get me to the best team possible," I agree that's not likely to be Chicago. But I do think a Chicago trade that was simply expirings + tons of future draft assets results in a roster that is better (and has more of a future) than what Milwaukee currently has. But I also doubt Milwaukee does a deal on those terms.