WT: Giannis Antetokounmpo's Future With Bucks 'The Elephant In The Room' In NBA

[LoveMyRaps]

Give em Barnes + RJ + Dick + Picks

[Gavin_TDThree]

I feel like we have the right mix of young guys and picks to entice the bucks. Especially if Giannis says this is where he wants to go.

Salary wise:

RJ, Dick, Walter, Poelt for Giannis works. Then we add whatever picks they need to get it over the line.

Based on Milwaukee not being a free agent destination, I think they'd want some young cost controlled players as opposed to pure picks so that they don't completely slip into obscurity for the next 5-10 years.

IQ/Shead
OA/Battle
BI/7th pick
SB/JM
GA/Sign someone

We'd need to figure out our depth but our starting 5 would destroy

[Clutch0z24]

Only would make sense for us to trade for him if we luck into Flagg in the lottery.....If we give up the farm to get Giannis hes coming into a situation where he has who to play with? ....Would be another Bucks situation but maybe worse....At that point you gave up all your draft picks, You are not really making noise in the playoffs (Like the Bucks) And you have no real way of improving the team because you don't have picks or assets to trade, Also not a free agent destination...

Its a tough thing to trade for a number 1 if you have to give up all your complimentary players to get them....I agree that OKC/Rockets are in the driver seat on this one.

[Badonkadonk]

I don't see how OKC is outbid if Giannis actually hits the trade market.

[NinjaBro]

Giannis and Ingram together with probably Quickley and some young pieces will be a pretty good team.

So you're telling me if we replaced Barnes with Giannis we'd be a really good team? You may be on to something here...

[Thaddy]

I don't see how OKC is outbid if Giannis actually hits the trade market.

They might not want to help build a super team. I don't think we should be in the race for Giannis. We need at least 2 more years of developing assets. Dick, Walter, RJ, Mogbo, Shead and our picks this year should all improve. We can develop or consolidate for a winning package while having good players to actually use in a title run.

[WuTang_OG]

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[Kurtz]

This is probably what Masai has been waiting for. Giving up Barnes would hurt, but at the same time Giannis-Barnes are not a great offensive fit on paper, unless one of them can play C full-time. A Poetl-Giannis-Barnes front court would be real good defensively but no spacing.

Giannis is notoriously cheap so I could see him targeting a lower tax state like Texas. Houston for Sengun+Sheppard would make a lot of sense imo. I don't think OKC will be in play, they're pretty set with what they have as is.

[TheGeneral99]

This would be the perfect time for a team like OKC to strike with their treasure trove of picks.

Giannis is 30 years old and pairing him with a 26 year old Shai for the next 4-5 years in my opinion would give OKC a couple chips if healthy.

[Raps in 4]

If we give away assets to make a competitive offer for Giannis, he will come here with no one to play with, I don't think this is the right time to swing for a superstar. Let's keep adding talent until we are deep enough to trade for a star player + have enough remaining to contend with.

What are you imaging the trade would be that would put us in that position?

Scottie + 2025 pick + Dick or JaKobe + future FRPs

Giannis + RJ + IQ is a second round exit at best.

[Raps in 4]

This is probably what Masai has been waiting for. Giving up Barnes would hurt, but at the same time Giannis-Barnes are not a great offensive fit on paper, unless one of them can play C full-time. A Poetl-Giannis-Barnes front court would be real good defensively but no spacing.

Giannis is notoriously cheap so I could see him targeting a lower tax state like Texas. Houston for Sengun+Sheppard would make a lot of sense imo. I don't think OKC will be in play, they're pretty set with what they have as is.

If OKC doesn't win it this year, they'd be dumb not to trade for Giannis.

I'm also not convinced Chet will have a productive career. I'm expecting an Embiid-esque trajectory for him.

[Raps in 4]

This would be the perfect time for a team like OKC to strike with their treasure trove of picks.

Giannis is 30 years old and pairing him with a 26 year old Shai for the next 4-5 years in my opinion would give OKC a couple chips if healthy.

I don't see anyone beating them until Giannis ages out. They'd be as good as the Steph-KD Warriors.

[Kurtz]

This is probably what Masai has been waiting for. Giving up Barnes would hurt, but at the same time Giannis-Barnes are not a great offensive fit on paper, unless one of them can play C full-time. A Poetl-Giannis-Barnes front court would be real good defensively but no spacing.

Giannis is notoriously cheap so I could see him targeting a lower tax state like Texas. Houston for Sengun+Sheppard would make a lot of sense imo. I don't think OKC will be in play, they're pretty set with what they have as is.

If OKC doesn't win it this year, they'd be dumb not to trade for Giannis.

I'm also not convinced Chet will have a productive career. I'm expecting an Embiid-esque trajectory for him.

Embiid had a pretty impressive 7-year run, if Chet can give them something similar they'll have a couple of rings.

I'm not convinced that Giannis will want to go to Oklahoma. I think he'll seek a big market to maximize his earning opportunity.

[Basketball_Jones]

We can put together a pretty nice offer! RJ definitely would have to go the other way and I would not mind Scottie and Gradey as well. Chet is probably more enticing for now but who knows that could change.

[dTox]

yeah for the Durant / Lillard situation we'd be gutted. I don't think it's quite it this time.

Barnes / Barret / Dick / 2025 1st / more picks and swaps

Still leaves us with

Quickley, Ochai / Ingram / Giannis / Poeltl
Shead / Walter / Battle / Mogbo
Lawson / Rhoden / Chomche

Not amazing, but could make noise in the East.

Given the assets teams like Houston + OKC have, it would require something along the lines of Barnes + Ja'Kobe + 3 to 4 first round picks (some of which are unprotected), but your guess is as good as mine. I just think that if we do make a move like this, Giannis would be in no better position here than he with his current team. In today's landscape, you have to have a 2nd star and maybe even a 3rd star (esp if your 2nd best player isn't a bonafide star) and we just don't have that in our pipeline if we trade our assets away. When we traded for Kawhi, we had Siakam + Lowry (both whom are allstar caliber players) to pair with Kawhi, I just don't see that type of talent currently in our team, especially if we trade Barnes, or our pick this year in the trade. Maybe in another year or two of asset building, then we can strike for that player, especially if our expected lotto pick or Barnes, or Ja'Kobe break out as a legitimate 2nd banana that we can pair next to whomever we trade for.

What would Houston or OKC trade that would be the equivalent of Barnes ? You think OKC gives up Jdub or Chet for Giannis? You think Houston gives up sengun for him ? I certainly don't

What I am saying is the proposed trade I had made is what it would take to beat out OKC or Houston in a bidding war (not that OKC is going to top it), without including the likes of Barnes + our unprotected picks + Ja'Kobe this trade does not get done because we would easily get beat in a bidding war.

[DreamTeam09]

Given the assets teams like Houston + OKC have, it would require something along the lines of Barnes + Ja'Kobe + 3 to 4 first round picks (some of which are unprotected), but your guess is as good as mine. I just think that if we do make a move like this, Giannis would be in no better position here than he with his current team. In today's landscape, you have to have a 2nd star and maybe even a 3rd star (esp if your 2nd best player isn't a bonafide star) and we just don't have that in our pipeline if we trade our assets away. When we traded for Kawhi, we had Siakam + Lowry (both whom are allstar caliber players) to pair with Kawhi, I just don't see that type of talent currently in our team, especially if we trade Barnes, or our pick this year in the trade. Maybe in another year or two of asset building, then we can strike for that player, especially if our expected lotto pick or Barnes, or Ja'Kobe break out as a legitimate 2nd banana that we can pair next to whomever we trade for.

What would Houston or OKC trade that would be the equivalent of Barnes ? You think OKC gives up Jdub or Chet for Giannis? You think Houston gives up sengun for him ? I certainly don't

What I am saying is the proposed trade I had made is what it would take to beat out OKC or Houston in a bidding war (not that OKC is going to top it), without including the likes of Barnes + our unprotected picks + Ja'Kobe this trade does not get done because we would easily get beat in a bidding war.

What beats RJ + Dick + picks in this hypothetical bidding war ?

[DreamTeam09]

Given the assets teams like Houston + OKC have, it would require something along the lines of Barnes + Ja'Kobe + 3 to 4 first round picks (some of which are unprotected), but your guess is as good as mine. I just think that if we do make a move like this, Giannis would be in no better position here than he with his current team. In today's landscape, you have to have a 2nd star and maybe even a 3rd star (esp if your 2nd best player isn't a bonafide star) and we just don't have that in our pipeline if we trade our assets away. When we traded for Kawhi, we had Siakam + Lowry (both whom are allstar caliber players) to pair with Kawhi, I just don't see that type of talent currently in our team, especially if we trade Barnes, or our pick this year in the trade. Maybe in another year or two of asset building, then we can strike for that player, especially if our expected lotto pick or Barnes, or Ja'Kobe break out as a legitimate 2nd banana that we can pair next to whomever we trade for.

What would Houston or OKC trade that would be the equivalent of Barnes ? You think OKC gives up Jdub or Chet for Giannis? You think Houston gives up sengun for him ? I certainly don't

What I am saying is the proposed trade I had made is what it would take to beat out OKC or Houston in a bidding war (not that OKC is going to top it), without including the likes of Barnes + our unprotected picks + Ja'Kobe this trade does not get done because we would easily get beat in a bidding war.

What beats RJ + Dick + picks in this hypothetical bidding war ?
Or what team would top that with what players?

[Clutch0z24]

Given the assets teams like Houston + OKC have, it would require something along the lines of Barnes + Ja'Kobe + 3 to 4 first round picks (some of which are unprotected), but your guess is as good as mine. I just think that if we do make a move like this, Giannis would be in no better position here than he with his current team. In today's landscape, you have to have a 2nd star and maybe even a 3rd star (esp if your 2nd best player isn't a bonafide star) and we just don't have that in our pipeline if we trade our assets away. When we traded for Kawhi, we had Siakam + Lowry (both whom are allstar caliber players) to pair with Kawhi, I just don't see that type of talent currently in our team, especially if we trade Barnes, or our pick this year in the trade. Maybe in another year or two of asset building, then we can strike for that player, especially if our expected lotto pick or Barnes, or Ja'Kobe break out as a legitimate 2nd banana that we can pair next to whomever we trade for.

What would Houston or OKC trade that would be the equivalent of Barnes ? You think OKC gives up Jdub or Chet for Giannis? You think Houston gives up sengun for him ? I certainly don't

What I am saying is the proposed trade I had made is what it would take to beat out OKC or Houston in a bidding war (not that OKC is going to top it), without including the likes of Barnes + our unprotected picks + Ja'Kobe this trade does not get done because we would easily get beat in a bidding war.

Yeah its bad timing for us and other teams have better assets to throw out....The only way this even happens for us is if Giannis tells Bucks "I only want to be traded to Toronto" .....Which is not happening.....I don't think coming to a Raptors team to team up with IQ/Ingram would really intrigue Giannis in his last run as a player....

Lets just hope we win the draft lottery and get Flagg so we can develop our own Giannis.

[Clutch0z24]

What would Houston or OKC trade that would be the equivalent of Barnes ? You think OKC gives up Jdub or Chet for Giannis? You think Houston gives up sengun for him ? I certainly don't

What I am saying is the proposed trade I had made is what it would take to beat out OKC or Houston in a bidding war (not that OKC is going to top it), without including the likes of Barnes + our unprotected picks + Ja'Kobe this trade does not get done because we would easily get beat in a bidding war.

What beats RJ + Dick + picks in this hypothetical bidding war ?
Or what team would top that with what players?

Chet + More draft picks than we have to offer....OKC could potentially get the 7th/15th/24th picks in this upcoming draft alone....They control other teams picks + their own....They also can give up Cason Wallace who has lots of potential and is 10x the defensive player Dick is...Lets not overrate our players...RJ/Dick package is not getting Giannis

[ForeverTFC]

I listened to the pod this morning. FWIW, Giannis has not asked out or even voiced dissatisfaction according to Windhorst and has been 100% all-in on this team. He said the conversation is all coming from outside of Milwaukee.