PG: that sucked

[Gravy]

Yeah it is part of the KAT deal but then you try something to make sure it doesn’t happen. No matter what we say, you don’t know that it’s not a form of negligence to just essentially say Oh well, nothing we can do about it.

That’s what coaching is no?

He's turning 30 this year and has been coached up to his best season in his career. You cant realistically improve much on this now and turn him into a different player.

[K_ick_God]

Yeah it is part of the KAT deal but then you try something to make sure it doesn’t happen. No matter what we say, you don’t know that it’s not a form of negligence to just essentially say Oh well, nothing we can do about it.

That’s what coaching is no?

He's turning 30 this year and has been coached up to his best season in his career. You cant realistically improve much on this now and turn him into a different player.

Just the kind of defeatist negligence I’m talking about

Fight back instead

Could have said Cavs would never play the way they’re playing right now

[Woodsanity]

Mikal went 0-4 in the last 5 mins.

I have to blame Thibs, Mikal and even Brunson.

Thibs for poor offensive coaching, not getting Kat involved at all.
Mikal for chucking bricks when it mattered, one of the worst trades we ever did.
Brunson less iso hero ball, more ball movement.

[HopelessKnick]

We played the Pistons early in the season, late in the season and now in the playoffs. We played them 6 times and lost 4. Everyone and their mothers agree that the Knicks are the clearly more talented team.

If you lose with the clearly more talented team at different times in the season --4 out of 6-- who would you rationally look at?

[mpharris36]

Read on Twitter

there is zero accountability for this man...everything is an excuse instead of self reflection.

"we were right in there"

instead of

"our offense was putrid I need to be better"

[HopelessKnick]

Read on Twitter

there is zero accountability for this man...everything is an excuse instead of self reflection.

"we were right in there"

instead of

"our offense was putrid I need to be better"

sooo bad...talking like tying the game at 97 at home against the Pistons would be some kind of achievement. Somehow his postgame interviews have been even worse than his in game coaching.

[NiceLikeChrist]

Read on Twitter

there is zero accountability for this man...everything is an excuse instead of self reflection.

"we were right in there"

instead of

"our offense was putrid I need to be better"

"if my players bail me out I don't have to answer any difficult questions"

what his entire coaching career has come down to. elite talent bailing him out long enough for his job to stay afloat and he knows it which is why he plays the talent more than any other coach.

[Adelheid]

mannnn....they need to rebound hard with a win with the next game
or else this is smelling to be a nasty falling of dominos

And if begley's words are to be believed, tom's seat can be red hot in a span of minutes

[Reign23]

Read on Twitter

there is zero accountability for this man...everything is an excuse instead of self reflection.

"we were right in there"

instead of

"our offense was putrid I need to be better"

I hate his interviews so much.

[nedleeds]

they're not gonna trade bridges now. because they're not getting anything close to what they gave up so it's admitting a mistake. they can't do that so soon.

The delusion on this board about his trade value is fascinating. People say "trade him for 2 great playoff role-players" when Brikal isn't even 1 good playoff role player.

Also, do we understand how hard it is to put up 2 quarters with less than 19 points? It's nearly impossible in the modern NBA.

[god shammgod]

they're not gonna trade bridges now. because they're not getting anything close to what they gave up so it's admitting a mistake. they can't do that so soon.

The delusion on this board about his trade value is fascinating. People say "trade him for 2 great playoff role-players" when Brikal isn't even 1 good playoff role player.

Also, do we understand how hard it is to put up 2 quarters with less than 19 points? It's nearly impossible in the modern NBA.

yeah. right now if this guy could just hit open 3s and play great defense we would be thrilled but he can't even do that.

[nedleeds]

We played the Pistons early in the season, late in the season and now in the playoffs. We played them 6 times and lost 4. Everyone and their mothers agree that the Knicks are the clearly more talented team.

If you lose with the clearly more talented team at different times in the season --4 out of 6-- who would you rationally look at?

I don't actually think we're that much more talented. We just give up way more for the Tobias, Schroeder, Beasley, Derrick White, Deandre Hunters of the world. Brunson is probably better than Cade. OG just a old injured Ausar. KAT is our second best player and he's never won a big game in his life and makes $60 million.

He's Al Jefferson, who **** cares.

[nedleeds]

they're not gonna trade bridges now. because they're not getting anything close to what they gave up so it's admitting a mistake. they can't do that so soon.

The delusion on this board about his trade value is fascinating. People say "trade him for 2 great playoff role-players" when Brikal isn't even 1 good playoff role player.

Also, do we understand how hard it is to put up 2 quarters with less than 19 points? It's nearly impossible in the modern NBA.

yeah. right now if this guy could just hit open 3s and play great defense we would be thrilled but he can't even do that.

Dude isn't even Kentavious Caldwell Pope and we're getting 2 starters or multiple picks for him though. I predict he switches to CAA gets a maxish deal to justify the gaped hole the Nets gave us and then the whole FO gets fired. Movie ends with Sam and Leon Rose riding off in a drop top lambo to Motley Crews Kickstart My Heart or Eric Bs Paid in Full.

[HarthorneWingo]

If Thibs got himself ejected from a game, who’s next up?

Rick.

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Mo Cheeks the alleged Mike Woodson replacement

Right. He’s got more experience than Rick it Rick sits closer to Thibs

[HarthorneWingo]

Mikal went 0-4 in the last 5 mins.

I have to blame Thibs, Mikal and even Brunson.

Thibs for poor offensive coaching, not getting Kat involved at all.
Mikal for chucking bricks when it mattered, one of the worst trades we ever did.
Brunson less iso hero ball, more ball movement.

We have the run the ball through a helluva lot more. Especially when motherfreaking Tobias Harris is on him.

[Jalen Bluntson]

we won 1 more game than last year, a year with a lot more injuries, and we were the 2nd seed. we spent every dollar we could and traded all our picks to get no further. and yes, i saw it coming. i guess you didn't if you're still trying to act like this was some kind of great success.

Yeah, ok. Top 5 team in the league ain't shyt? You must have loved those 20 win teams and rooting for losses every year.

We haven't been this good in 30 years. Multiple all star starters. B2B 50 win seasons. The biggest thing wrong with this team is the HC. He's a complete moron. Last games coaching is worthy of being fired.

we were this good last year with all our picks. what part of that don't you understand ?

The part where that has anything to do with,a top 5 team in the league not being good. Isn't hard to understand at all. You're just wrong.

Now if you want to change the topic and say that Mikal wasn't worth 5 picks, that's a different discussion that I agree with.

We have not been a winning team for the majority of the last 25 years. Thinking a top 5 team ain't shyt is just nonsense.

[god shammgod]

Yeah, ok. Top 5 team in the league ain't shyt? You must have loved those 20 win teams and rooting for losses every year.

We haven't been this good in 30 years. Multiple all star starters. B2B 50 win seasons. The biggest thing wrong with this team is the HC. He's a complete moron. Last games coaching is worthy of being fired.

we were this good last year with all our picks. what part of that don't you understand ?

The part where that has anything to do with,a top 5 team in the league not being good. Isn't hard to understand at all. You're just wrong.

Now if you want to change the topic and say that Mikal wasn't worth 5 picks, that's a different discussion that I agree with.

We have not been a winning team for the majority of the last 25 years. Thinking a top 5 team ain't shyt is just nonsense.

we're talking about our ability to compete for a championship. that's the topic. beating up on a bunch of 20 win teams all season doesn't mean anything.

[HopelessKnick]

Yeah, ok. Top 5 team in the league ain't shyt? You must have loved those 20 win teams and rooting for losses every year.

We haven't been this good in 30 years. Multiple all star starters. B2B 50 win seasons. The biggest thing wrong with this team is the HC. He's a complete moron. Last games coaching is worthy of being fired.

we were this good last year with all our picks. what part of that don't you understand ?

The part where that has anything to do with,a top 5 team in the league not being good. Isn't hard to understand at all. You're just wrong.

Now if you want to change the topic and say that Mikal wasn't worth 5 picks, that's a different discussion that I agree with.

We have not been a winning team for the majority of the last 25 years. Thinking a top 5 team ain't shyt is just nonsense.

But are we a top 5 team? Maybe with a good coach we are. I think the impression from december is carrying over----at the latest after the deadline things have changed IMO. In no particular order I think we would lose a playoff series vs. the following teams:

OKC, Cleveland, Boston, Lakers, Clippers, GSW and Wolves. And then you have the Nuggets, Rockets and potentially Pacers as well where I'm far from sure we'd win. I think the somewhat more honest evaluation has us somewhere at 8-10. I don't think looking strictly at the record and pointing to those 1-2 more wins gives us an accurate picture of where we're at. The notion that we are somewhere close to where we were last season despite giving up all those assets is not wrong at all.

[HopelessKnick]

I look at it this way from last season to this season:

We lost Randle, DD and Hartenstein and gained Bridges, KAT.

Now can anyone here confidently say that Bridges + KAT (even if coached well) is better than Randle,DD and Hartenstein?

I hate to admit it but I would take Randle (whom I don't even like) + DD + Hartenstein (two players I love) over Bridges, KAT any day of the week and twice on sunday and I think the majority of the basketball world would agree. Those 3 bring more to the table than Bridges and KAT. So the notion that we may have gotten worse or stayed somewhat the same is a very legitimate thing to state. Nothing about that is crazy.

And then you add that we traded away 2 mid first round picks and 4 unprotected FRPs and that's why a lot of people, including me are extremely dissapointed at the turn of events from last year to this year. This team today is in a much worse overall position than the team last year. Last year's team gave you so much confidence you knew they would have destroyed the Pacers if healthy and they may have given Boston a run for their money. This year's team I honestly don't believe would even beat the Pacers (more like 50/50 or so).

[3toheadmelo]

I look at it this way from last season to this season:

We lost Randle, DD and Hartenstein and gained Bridges, KAT.

Now can anyone here confidently say that Bridges + KAT (even if coached well) is better than Randle,DD and Hartenstein?

I hate to admit it but I would take Randle (whom I don't even like) + DD + Hartenstein (two players I love) over Bridges, KAT any day of the week and twice on sunday and I think the majority of the basketball world would agree. Those 3 bring more to the table than Bridges and KAT. So the notion that we may have gotten worse or stayed somewhat the same is a very legitimate thing to state. Nothing about that is crazy.

And then you add that we traded away 2 mid first round picks and 4 unprotected FRPs and that's why a lot of people, including me are extremely dissapointed at the turn of events from last year to this year. This team today is in a much worse overall position than the team last year. Last year's team gave you so much confidence you knew they would have destroyed the Pacers if healthy and they may have given Boston a run for their money. This year's team I honestly don't believe would even beat the Pacers (more like 50/50 or so).

Great post.