GT: New York Knicks @ Detroit Pistons (GAME 3: Thu, 7PM)

[god shammgod]

This is circular reasoning. People can double and triple Karl, proving our system isn't the problem. But the system, or poor judgement, makes it easier to double and triple Karl.

if someone double or triple teams you that means someone is open. that becomes an advantage. that's what you want in basketball. what are we doing here ?

[thebuzzardman]

G1 Q1 NYK 27 DET 27
G1 Q2 NYK 30 DET 28
G1 Q3 NYK 26 DET 36
G1 Q4 NYK 40 DET 26

G2 Q1 NYK 18 DET 25
G2 Q2 NYK 31 DET 30
G2 Q3 NYK 18 DET 20
G2 Q4 NYK 27 DET 25

5 of the 8 quarters are within 2 pts or less. This series is a lot tighter than some want to admit.

That's because this team kind of sucks.

[god shammgod]

the complaints about thibs would be more meaningful if you didn't blame him for absolutely everything.

[K_ick_God]

This is circular reasoning. People can double and triple Karl, proving our system isn't the problem. But the system, or poor judgement, makes it easier to double and triple Karl.

if someone double or triple teams you that means someone is open. that becomes an advantage. that's what you want in basketball. what are we doing here ?

So then why aren't we finding that open player?

It's no big deal, not worth a fight tbh, but I don't think we're arguing about anything then -- the system, players moving, ball moving, help take advantage of doubles and triples. Not even worth a shouting match lol.

If you're not taking advantage of doubles, or making it too easy to double, then something is wrong with your movement or your judgement, or just maybe the players themselves ... which would I guess get Thibs off the hook some.

If you're saying we just don't have the players to take advantage of it, okay.

[Jeff Van Gully]

PG: Brunson
SG: Payne
SF: McBride
PF: OG
C: Towns

what the helly? what the hell?

[Iron Mantis]

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KAT not not "demanding the ball" and his "lack of aggression" on offense was KAT executing exactly what the coach told him to do and what not to do.

KAT not getting up enough shots is an indictment against the coach ...not the player....Unless you want him rebelling against the coach and hijacking the offense.

Bottom line: Knicks need a new coach.

That’s really your basketball takeaway from the coach asking a player not to take bad shots through double and triple teams?

Because 2-17 with 20 transition points off those misses would def be “an indictment against the coach.”

My basketball takeaway is: THE KNICKS NEED A NEW COACH

Many were lashing out at KAT for not demanding the ball from Brunson and forcing up 30 contested shots in a stagnant offense....

KAT beasted the 1st game and early in game 2....the Pistons adjusted to how they defend him. There was no counter-adjustment to get KAT good looks.

It was necessary to do so because KAT is the team's most efficient shooter in nearly every category. It was impossible to get him good looks from 3, midrange, in the post, transition?

KAT would have been able to get quality shots if the coach maybe ran plays to free him up. I didn't see any emphasis on running action to set him up. It was Brunson iso ball all night.

[K_ick_God]

Too lazy to open a new thread and I want to attack sham's love for KD but he would not help the Knicks. He's another overrated guy past his prime.

[god shammgod]

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"the ghosts of kat's past"......because he's done this before

[K_ick_God]

The Cavs don't exactly have Nash and Amar'e. Atkinson wouldn't let the Pistons stop KAT quite they way they are. Not without some crazy crap happening.

[Fury]

PG: Brunson
SG: Payne
SF: McBride
PF: OG
C: Towns

what the helly? what the hell?

[spree8]

These dudes know what’s up with our issues n smell blood. They got the home court behind them now? You know Bickerstaff is gunna have them going for the kill. Younger players play better at home… Cade n Thompson gunna level up.

[HEZI]

What was the point of getting KAT if we just want to turn him into Naz Reid? Doesn’t make sense

If you won’t take advantage of his complete skill set then shouldn’t have even gotten him because he has such limitations on defense that a bad defensive big who just shoots 3s wasn’t the solution.

Plus I don’t get the issue with posting him up, he’s skilled enough to score from there and it’s not like that’s all we do.

Jokic, Zubac, Sengun, Siakam, LeBron are all getting more post ups in the regular season and playoffs than KAT. I don’t see anything wrong with trying to maximize his skillset

[3toheadmelo]

What was the point of getting KAT if we just want to turn him into Naz Reid? Doesn’t make sense

If you won’t take advantage of his complete skill set then shouldn’t have even gotten him because he has such limitations on defense that a bad defensive big who just shoots 3s wasn’t the solution.

Plus I don’t get the issue with posting him up, he’s skilled enough to score from there and it’s not like that’s all we do.

Jokic, Zubac, Sengun, Siakam, LeBron are all getting more post ups in the regular season and playoffs than KAT. I don’t see anything wrong with trying to maximize his skillset

People want him to jack up 3s like he did in the WCF which was a great idea.

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[kNicksGmen]

What was the point of getting KAT if we just want to turn him into Naz Reid? Doesn’t make sense

If you won’t take advantage of his complete skill set then shouldn’t have even gotten him because he has such limitations on defense that a bad defensive big who just shoots 3s wasn’t the solution.

Plus I don’t get the issue with posting him up, he’s skilled enough to score from there and it’s not like that’s all we do.

Jokic, Zubac, Sengun, Siakam, LeBron are all getting more post ups in the regular season and playoffs than KAT. I don’t see anything wrong with trying to maximize his skillset

People want him to jack up 3s like he did in the WCF which was a great idea.

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a lot of the 3s he took were good looks though, he was just off. the drives were largely out of control though.

[3toheadmelo]

What was the point of getting KAT if we just want to turn him into Naz Reid? Doesn’t make sense

If you won’t take advantage of his complete skill set then shouldn’t have even gotten him because he has such limitations on defense that a bad defensive big who just shoots 3s wasn’t the solution.

Plus I don’t get the issue with posting him up, he’s skilled enough to score from there and it’s not like that’s all we do.

Jokic, Zubac, Sengun, Siakam, LeBron are all getting more post ups in the regular season and playoffs than KAT. I don’t see anything wrong with trying to maximize his skillset

People want him to jack up 3s like he did in the WCF which was a great idea.

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a lot of the 3s he took were good looks though, he was just off. the drives were largely out of control though.

A lot of those 3s were pretty deep and bad shots. But anyways those drives are the same drives he is doing here. People keep blaming Thibs for KAT driving from the 3 point line but that’s been his game for a long time. Why does he do that? god knows why.

[god shammgod]

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[WaltFrazier]

This is circular reasoning. People can double and triple Karl, proving our system isn't the problem. But the system, or poor judgement, makes it easier to double and triple Karl.

if someone double or triple teams you that means someone is open. that becomes an advantage. that's what you want in basketball. what are we doing here ?

So then why aren't we finding that open player?

It's no big deal, not worth a fight tbh, but I don't think we're arguing about anything then -- the system, players moving, ball moving, help take advantage of doubles and triples. Not even worth a shouting match lol.

If you're not taking advantage of doubles, or making it too easy to double, then something is wrong with your movement or your judgement, or just maybe the players themselves ... which would I guess get Thibs off the hook some.

If you're saying we just don't have the players to take advantage of it, okay.

I think Kat has good vision and is a good passer. Despite some ill advised passes here and there. He's not Jokic, but I watch Jokic feeding Murray and other cutters and spotups and I wish we used Kat more like that. As a hub. The possessions in the clutch where JB gets a screen from Hart, passes gets it back then isos, while KAT stands out the side of the key without a touch, drive me crazy. The lack of a two man game, especially pick and pop for a KAT 3, has been a big shortcoming of the offense. And I think Hart's lack of a shooting threat hurts all that, not sure how much.

[WaltFrazier]

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Does he mean, we need Mitch out there to help

[spree2kawhi]

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Well there’s also the most basic play in basketball we could try and use to maximize him. I feel like the coach really doesn’t know.

[knicksstuff]

I almost wish Brunson stops trying to get ausar fouled out of the game.... hes an aboslute zero for them on offense you can leave him alone and hasn't been this elite defensive stopper that hes been talked up to be