Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[tiderulz]

Trae Young a possibility in the summer?

Skybox, what would a potential trade look like? Thanks, buddy

NO...Paolo s**t's bigger'n him

I know everyone is crying for a PG. Trae led the league in assist. Plus he is a darn good 3pt shooter.

His weakness is his size and defense.

I float it out there because it seems like an odd situation for him in Atlanta while the front office is trying to rebuild and go young.

Maybe he is on the trading block

he really isnt though. He is an average 3 pt shooter. career 35% from 3. He thinks he is a better 3 pt shooter than he is

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

NO...Paolo s**t's bigger'n him

I know everyone is crying for a PG. Trae led the league in assist. Plus he is a darn good 3pt shooter.

His weakness is his size and defense.

I float it out there because it seems like an odd situation for him in Atlanta while the front office is trying to rebuild and go young.

Maybe he is on the trading block

he really isnt though. He is an average 3 pt shooter. career 35% from 3. He thinks he is a better 3 pt shooter than he is

Imo there is no way you trade for Trae after he intentionally T fouled out vs us in the Play-in.

That ish was next level take your ball and go home garbage.

I've never seen an NBA player fold like he did.

He's probably now saying he wants to stay with Hawks, just to keep from being traded to the G league.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I know everyone is crying for a PG. Trae led the league in assist. Plus he is a darn good 3pt shooter.

His weakness is his size and defense.

I float it out there because it seems like an odd situation for him in Atlanta while the front office is trying to rebuild and go young.

Maybe he is on the trading block

he really isnt though. He is an average 3 pt shooter. career 35% from 3. He thinks he is a better 3 pt shooter than he is

Imo there is no way you trade for Trae after he intentionally T fouled out vs us in the Play-in.

That ish was next level take your ball and go home garbage.

I've never seen an NBA player fold like he did.

He's probably now saying he wants to stay with Hawks, just to keep from being traded to the G league.

Ja basically did the same thing last night, dude just quit big time.

[jonbob17]

NO...Paolo s**t's bigger'n him

I know everyone is crying for a PG. Trae led the league in assist. Plus he is a darn good 3pt shooter.

His weakness is his size and defense.

I float it out there because it seems like an odd situation for him in Atlanta while the front office is trying to rebuild and go young.

Maybe he is on the trading block

he really isnt though. He is an average 3 pt shooter. career 35% from 3. He thinks he is a better 3 pt shooter than he is

Not all 3 point shots are created equal. A lot of Trae's are off the dribble, and from deep. That's a lot different than say a wing sitting outside the arc waiting for a kickout and a catch and shoot.

Wit that said i am not advocating for Trae. I am not sure how the equation would work our forwards and the amount we want the ball in their hands. Orlando is probably one of the few environments where Trae could actually win. Kind of like the Darius Garland situation in Cleveland. There's enough defense to hide him on that end.

Ultimately I think Trae is more of a show attraction. Like Dillard in Portland. Not a contender, but keeps butts in the seat, and there are worse ways for franchises to spend their seasons. If i was a rebuilding team without a warchest of picks or young top tier talent, thats something i'd strongly consider.

[jonbob17]

Go big or go home. I think can mostly agree that we want a guard who can create their own offense, shoot, and support the playmaking of the wings. There is one name that stands out.

Kyrie Irving. He's hurt. He's been a nut, probably still is, but he's "shut up and play(ed) basketball" the last few years. Reports said he was pissed Dallas torpedoed Luka. Who knows. Would he want to play in Orlando, i don't see why not, the Magic are an amazing defensive team who has one giant hole on offense, and that is a living-bucket.

So he has a player option this year, $44M. He's going to be out until about January. With him being out for such a big chunk of the season, its hard to see Dallas staying in the race in the extremely difficult West. Seems like a lost season.

He makes, and is going to need a new contract in 2026 offseason, and our cap is on the rise. We'd have to have his bird rights in order to go over the salary cap (signing as a free agent is out)
3 options:
1. We could trade for him ahead of the draft, and use our two first rounders as part of the compensation.
2. We could acquire ahead of next year's deadline, but we'd probably need to turn this year's picks into valuable trade chips. Drafting players who actually got playing time seems like a huge gamble, so we'd have to turn 2025 firsts into future picks.
3. Sign and trade during the 2026 offseason.

All three options could include an extension ahead of next offseason.

Irving is 14th all time in career offensive box plus minus, and he's not a huge assist guy like all the Non-curry guards ahead of him.

There are three all time great offensive guards who could be available. Dame, Trae, and Kyrie. I'd say Kyrie is by far the best fit for the Magic. We just saw how Kyrie could thrive playing next to a point forward.

[Skybox]

If we were really going to REACH for a real premium PG (that MAY have some cause for being available) - not the usual combo guards we generally discuss...and -I don't think we are or necessarily should:

I'm looking at Ja Morant way before Trae or Lamelo and might have gone after Fox last year.

a step down but still significant...FVV, Quickley

maybe, in the event of a teardown...Kyrie or Dejounte Murray over Damian Lillard

There's a combo guard(s) of varying value on almost every team that would make sense (many could be available, for varying costs)

I'm okay with sensible, prudent, etc...but this IS strictly an entertainment business when you take a step back - why not just GOOOOoooooo?

[Skybox]

Go big or go home. I think can mostly agree that we want a guard who can create their own offense, shoot, and support the playmaking of the wings. There is one name that stands out.

Kyrie Irving. He's hurt. He's been a nut, probably still is, but he's "shut up and play(ed) basketball" the last few years. Reports said he was pissed Dallas torpedoed Luka. Who knows. Would he want to play in Orlando, i don't see why not, the Magic are an amazing defensive team who has one giant hole on offense, and that is a living-bucket.

So he has a player option this year, $44M. He's going to be out until about January. With him being out for such a big chunk of the season, its hard to see Dallas staying in the race in the extremely difficult West. Seems like a lost season.

He makes, and is going to need a new contract in 2026 offseason, and our cap is on the rise. We'd have to have his bird rights in order to go over the salary cap (signing as a free agent is out)
3 options:
1. We could trade for him ahead of the draft, and use our two first rounders as part of the compensation.
2. We could acquire ahead of next year's deadline, but we'd probably need to turn this year's picks into valuable trade chips. Drafting players who actually got playing time seems like a huge gamble, so we'd have to turn 2025 firsts into future picks.
3. Sign and trade during the 2026 offseason.

All three options could include an extension ahead of next offseason.

Irving is 14th all time in career offensive box plus minus, and he's not a huge assist guy like all the Non-curry guards ahead of him.

There are three all time great offensive guards who could be available. Dame, Trae, and Kyrie. I'd say Kyrie is by far the best fit for the Magic. We just saw how Kyrie could thrive playing next to a point forward.

Wow...you were typing while I was typing. That's obviously fate

Kyrie is certainly a little scary, but he's been really cool since arriving in DAL...I knew his dad in college. Let's do it. Grab Gafford while we're at it.

[thelead]

Nico is not going to tear things down this summer. He has to see this thing through with AD and Kyrie at this point. Once they fail next year, Nico likely gets fired and Kyrie will look for greener pastures.

[Skybox]

Scenario...Nico is out, Kyrie is sour and has a Player Option for $44m...noone is going to have that kind of money, and DAL obviously welcomes a SnT if the likely teardown/tapout comes with Nico's firing. (personally, I think it was ownership not wanting to spend and Nico taking the heat like a good soldier - so he may not be out and no teardown coming, but...):

DAL sends: Kyrie (decline TO, sign for 3 years at $38m per), Gafford (one more at $14.3)
ORL sends: Cole, Moe, Gary ($31.5 expiring collectively), Black ($8m), Goga ($8.3m), TdS ($3.8), ORL 26 frp, ORL 30 frp (Top 5)

Gafford, Goga, Isaac
Paolo, Isaac, Joan Beringer (or Thomas Sorber or Collin Murray-Boyles) #16
Franz, KCP, Houstan
Suggs, KCP, Queen
Kyrie, CoJo, Clayton #25

*that might be enough draft equity as KI will miss significant time next season and will be 34 by the time he returns, WCJ & Gaff sort of offset, imo. Kyrie has a lot of crazy franchise-disabling history that factors too - if he wants out, they will need to get him out quickly & quietly before he makes things nuttier. Three young, promising guys to build back up, along with Lively, PJ, and Christie (with or without AD & Klay). IF they move AD for draft equity & prospects, they could build back up quickly (?). Whichever of the three multi-position bigs mentioned at #16 might quickly replace Goga or Isaac longer-term. I'd still be interested in getting Portis for Isaac or Goga and/or MLE, etc if possible.

Teardown/bend the knee to LAL 2.0...
DAL sends: Anthony Davis
LAL sends: Austin Reaves, Knecht, Hachimura/Kleber (expiring $30m between them)

[Skybox]

Nico is not going to tear things down this summer. He has to see this thing through with AD and Kyrie at this point. Once they fail next year, Nico likely gets fired and Kyrie will look for greener pastures.

I agree with the sentiment...but Kyrie sets his own timetable and could make Jimmy Butler look like a compliant lapdog if he gets his crazy on

[eyriq]

Thinking about ideal trade frameworks based on the quality of the player being acquired and draft equity being sent.

Superstar: 3-5 first round picks (some unprotected) + pick swaps + young prospects + expiring or matching contracts.

All-star: 2-3 firsts (some unprotected) + swap or young player + expiring or matching contracts.

Third option: 1 first (lightly protected) or 2 seconds and prospect + young player or filler

Quality starter: 1 first (protected) or 2-3 seconds + filler

Anything else and you are looking at seconds only.

It sounds like teams wanted borderline all-star packages from Weltman for players that are worth quality starter packages.

[Idiosyncratic]

Thinking about ideal trade frameworks based on the quality of the player being acquired and draft equity being sent.

Superstar: 3-5 first round picks (some unprotected) + pick swaps + young prospects + expiring or matching contracts.

All-star: 2-3 firsts (some unprotected) + swap or young player + expiring or matching contracts.

Third option: 1 first (lightly protected) or 2 seconds and prospect + young player or filler

Quality starter: 1 first (protected) or 2-3 seconds + filler

Anything else and you are looking at seconds only.

It sounds like teams wanted borderline all-star packages from Weltman for players that are worth quality starter packages.

Maybe not just from Weltman considering none of the players we "wanted" got dealt anywhere.

But yeah these seem about right, just don't think about the Mikal Bridges trade

We have all of our 1sts and an extra one, plus extra 2nds. We are fine. Will they trade for the right guy or even make a move? Remains to be seen. Also not even sure what the best option is. Stopgap and preserve assets for a star later? Young guy with upside? Middle ground route like Simons or Sexton? Who knows, they definitely need to try something, but some moves will turn out better than others and I'm not sure it is cut and dry which will.

[eyriq]

Maybe not just from Weltman considering none of the players we "wanted" got dealt anywhere.

But yeah these seem about right, just don't think about the Mikal Bridges trade

We have all of our 1sts and an extra one, plus extra 2nds. We are fine. Will they trade for the right guy or even make a move? Remains to be seen. Also not even sure what the best option is. Stopgap and preserve assets for a star later? Young guy with upside? Middle ground route like Simons or Sexton? Who knows, they definitely need to try something, but some moves will turn out better than others and I'm not sure it is cut and dry which will.

Nice, glad you agree with this.

The Bridges trade is wild lol

Weltman has a lot of ammo IMO. Plenty of draft equity, like you mentioned. He's already acquired our superstar/all-stars. Suggs is third option quality and his health is the only concern.

If I'm Weltman I'm looking at player-for-player re-tooling moves as my starting point. Can he swap KCP and WCJ for better fits? If not, then I'm shopping Cole + a protected first for a starter. He's likely getting under the tax and getting a starter quality player with the MLE.

We don't need much and can afford a lot more than we need.

[OrlandoDream]

Thinking about ideal trade frameworks based on the quality of the player being acquired and draft equity being sent.

Superstar: 3-5 first round picks (some unprotected) + pick swaps + young prospects + expiring or matching contracts.

All-star: 2-3 firsts (some unprotected) + swap or young player + expiring or matching contracts.

Third option: 1 first (lightly protected) or 2 seconds and prospect + young player or filler

Quality starter: 1 first (protected) or 2-3 seconds + filler

Anything else and you are looking at seconds only.

It sounds like teams wanted borderline all-star packages from Weltman for players that are worth quality starter packages.

Maybe not just from Weltman considering none of the players we "wanted" got dealt anywhere.

But yeah these seem about right, just don't think about the Mikal Bridges trade

We have all of our 1sts and an extra one, plus extra 2nds. We are fine. Will they trade for the right guy or even make a move? Remains to be seen. Also not even sure what the best option is. Stopgap and preserve assets for a star later? Young guy with upside? Middle ground route like Simons or Sexton? Who knows, they definitely need to try something, but some moves will turn out better than others and I'm not sure it is cut and dry which will.

Im not expecting a big splash move to shock the fanbase. Thats not how this front office operates. Now if someone amazing suddenly becomes available and Minny wants to trade Anthony Edwards then sure go all in, but unlikely.

Despite the health concerns, I think we want to gauge what our trio of Paolo/Franz/Suggs can do together. Even without Suggs and Mo, our deficiencies in scoring and a PG have become evident. Im expecting us to go find an above avg starting level PG (Sexton, Simons, White) and grab us 1-2 scoring wing players off the bench that can step in a starting role if suggs goes down again. Just look what DET did by adding quality vets like Tobias and the 3pt shooting of THJr and Michael Beasley. 30+ game improvement over one season is crazy.

We may not have a lot of cap this summer besides the midlevel (go after NAW) but have all our picks and plenty of young assets to leverage. This is the last year before Weltman's contract is up for renewal, so you know he will try to show ownership that he is worth the extension.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

he really isnt though. He is an average 3 pt shooter. career 35% from 3. He thinks he is a better 3 pt shooter than he is

Imo there is no way you trade for Trae after he intentionally T fouled out vs us in the Play-in.

That ish was next level take your ball and go home garbage.

I've never seen an NBA player fold like he did.

He's probably now saying he wants to stay with Hawks, just to keep from being traded to the G league.

Ja basically did the same thing last night, dude just quit big time.

Dang, I missed that, but it would take him off my list as well, then.

I watched the beginning of that game, and you could see the Grizzlies already lost it by their faces and body language.

Did he actually foul himself out by fake passing a ball back to himself when he was supposed to give it to the ref as the rules require?
Because that was unbelievable when Trae did that to get his 2nd T.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Imo there is no way you trade for Trae after he intentionally T fouled out vs us in the Play-in.

That ish was next level take your ball and go home garbage.

I've never seen an NBA player fold like he did.

He's probably now saying he wants to stay with Hawks, just to keep from being traded to the G league.

Ja basically did the same thing last night, dude just quit big time.

Dang, I missed that, but it would take him off my list as well, then.

I watched the beginning of that game, and you could see the Grizzlies already lost it by their faces and body language.

Did he actually foul himself out by fake passing a ball back to himself when he was supposed to give it to the ref as the rules require?
Because that was unbelievable when Trae did that to get his 2nd T.

no but Ja's body language early was not something you'd want on your team. He's run off a coach and now won't give any effort yeah no thanks. Plus he's 1 more idiot thing on or off court and he'll be suspended for a while.

[Skybox]

Maybe not just from Weltman considering none of the players we "wanted" got dealt anywhere.

But yeah these seem about right, just don't think about the Mikal Bridges trade

We have all of our 1sts and an extra one, plus extra 2nds. We are fine. Will they trade for the right guy or even make a move? Remains to be seen. Also not even sure what the best option is. Stopgap and preserve assets for a star later? Young guy with upside? Middle ground route like Simons or Sexton? Who knows, they definitely need to try something, but some moves will turn out better than others and I'm not sure it is cut and dry which will.

Nice, glad you agree with this.

The Bridges trade is wild lol

Weltman has a lot of ammo IMO. Plenty of draft equity, like you mentioned. He's already acquired our superstar/all-stars. Suggs is third option quality and his health is the only concern.

If I'm Weltman I'm looking at player-for-player re-tooling moves as my starting point. Can he swap KCP and WCJ for better fits? If not, then I'm shopping Cole + a protected first for a starter. He's likely getting under the tax and getting a starter quality player with the MLE.

We don't need much and can afford a lot more than we need.

Interesting and potentially sensible...

Next year, KCP makes $21.6 and WCJ makes $10.9m

Who are some "makes sense" swaps for either or both - preferably without any picks?

WCJ is still very young, so could possibly grow with a team or contribute as a versatile big on a veteran team. KCP is a very tough defender, reliable and can make 3's at a good %, if not volume. He's a vet who won't be scared of big moments or back down from anyone.

-I like WCJ for Gafford...they match pretty well and WCJ could play at C next to AD or at PF next to Lively.
-WCJ for Portis...MIL is getting older, Brook might be gone and Portis has a PO and might choose younger greener pastures. If WCJ can start spreading the floor again, he's a nice fit next to Giannis for a lot less than Brook. I like KCP to MIL too, but tough to match salaries. If Brook has another year in him, he re-ups for the same $23m and it's Brook/Portis for KCP/WCJ.
-KCP for Rozier...I'm not in love with Rozier, but he does fit the need and he expires in a year, so if it's a great fit, we re-sign him for less or just move on
-KCP for Simons...this has been shot down by some POR fans, but I like the vet 3&D vibe with Scoot and Sharpe. Simons is likely out anyway, so...
-KCP for CJ McCollum...similar to Rozier, but more proven...we'd have to add a little, but it could even be Gary's TO to match. DJM/KCP backcourt
-Call me crazy, but Demar Derozan...proven BIG time efficient scorer, actually an underrated playmaker avg 5.5 apg over the last 8 seasons.
-WCJ for Kispert...WCJ could definitely play next to Sarr. This is presuming ORL finds a C upgrade, but it fits.
-KCP for Poeltl...maybe TOR drafts Maluach and moves off of Poeltl's big contract for vet 3&D to keep their youngsters engaged and toughen them up
-WCJ for Clint Capela (SnT), sign Capela to a few years at WCJ's current rate before WCJ's salary jumps to (ironically) closer to Capela's recent overpay
-WCJ to BRK for DeAngelo Russell (SnT)...noone but BRK has much cap space for DLo, WCJ & a little filler allows us to pay DLo just above MLE. WCJ could definitely fit next to Claxton. Maybe we could get DLo for MLE, but there'd be a lot more bidders (?) and sending out WCJ avoids his extension.
-A lot depends on what MIN does with Randle, but Naz has a PO for $15m and MIN has a big cap, led by another C. MIN might like WCJ's versatility next to either Gobert or Randle off the bench. KCP is just as fierce as DDV...WCJ & KCP for Naz Reid ($20m SnT) and Donte Divencenzo works. I like this one if you believe Naz is more than an elite 6th man-I really don't know if he'd look as solid starting. But maybe...

Reid, Goga, Moe
Paolo, Isaac, Sorber (#16?)
Franz, TdS, Houstan
Suggs, AB, Jett
DDV, CoJo, Clayton (#24?), Cole-possible buyout or trade for srp

[Idiosyncratic]

Thinking about ideal trade frameworks based on the quality of the player being acquired and draft equity being sent.

Superstar: 3-5 first round picks (some unprotected) + pick swaps + young prospects + expiring or matching contracts.

All-star: 2-3 firsts (some unprotected) + swap or young player + expiring or matching contracts.

Third option: 1 first (lightly protected) or 2 seconds and prospect + young player or filler

Quality starter: 1 first (protected) or 2-3 seconds + filler

Anything else and you are looking at seconds only.

It sounds like teams wanted borderline all-star packages from Weltman for players that are worth quality starter packages.

Maybe not just from Weltman considering none of the players we "wanted" got dealt anywhere.

But yeah these seem about right, just don't think about the Mikal Bridges trade

We have all of our 1sts and an extra one, plus extra 2nds. We are fine. Will they trade for the right guy or even make a move? Remains to be seen. Also not even sure what the best option is. Stopgap and preserve assets for a star later? Young guy with upside? Middle ground route like Simons or Sexton? Who knows, they definitely need to try something, but some moves will turn out better than others and I'm not sure it is cut and dry which will.

Im not expecting a big splash move to shock the fanbase. Thats not how this front office operates. Now if someone amazing suddenly becomes available and Minny wants to trade Anthony Edwards then sure go all in, but unlikely.

Despite the health concerns, I think we want to gauge what our trio of Paolo/Franz/Suggs can do together. Even without Suggs and Mo, our deficiencies in scoring and a PG have become evident. Im expecting us to go find an above avg starting level PG (Sexton, Simons, White) and grab us 1-2 scoring wing players off the bench that can step in a starting role if suggs goes down again. Just look what DET did by adding quality vets like Tobias and the 3pt shooting of THJr and Michael Beasley. 30+ game improvement over one season is crazy.

We may not have a lot of cap this summer besides the midlevel (go after NAW) but have all our picks and plenty of young assets to leverage. This is the last year before Weltman's contract is up for renewal, so you know he will try to show ownership that he is worth the extension.

I think you are right. And I do hope they create enough space to where they are willing to use close to the full MLE because I do think that could create a bargain if they pick the right guy considering many teams don't have cap space. I think this would mean they would have to be a little willing to go into the tax unless they kick the can down the road on both picks or deal them for a player.

Sign your preference of player that can fit into the MLE

Trade Cole/filler + Pick for a guard.

Consider Goga/Caldwell-Pope swaps for better fits. Could throw Wendell in this list, but that contract and nobody clearly here to step in and start if they don't trust Goga.

Use a 1st and a 2nd, draft a big if you traded Goga or just go BPA.

They should easily be able to bring on 3 new capable offensive players while keeping assets on board for a potential star guard addition down the line if they ever want to go all-in IMO.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Ja basically did the same thing last night, dude just quit big time.

Dang, I missed that, but it would take him off my list as well, then.

I watched the beginning of that game, and you could see the Grizzlies already lost it by their faces and body language.

Did he actually foul himself out by fake passing a ball back to himself when he was supposed to give it to the ref as the rules require?
Because that was unbelievable when Trae did that to get his 2nd T.

no but Ja's body language early was not something you'd want on your team. He's run off a coach and now won't give any effort yeah no thanks. Plus he's 1 more idiot thing on or off court and he'll be suspended for a while.

Agreed on Ja, but I honestly wonder why more hasn't been made of Trae.

Does anyone recall another incident where a player specifically T'd out like he did purposely because of a bad game?

[Skybox]

Maybe not just from Weltman considering none of the players we "wanted" got dealt anywhere.

But yeah these seem about right, just don't think about the Mikal Bridges trade

We have all of our 1sts and an extra one, plus extra 2nds. We are fine. Will they trade for the right guy or even make a move? Remains to be seen. Also not even sure what the best option is. Stopgap and preserve assets for a star later? Young guy with upside? Middle ground route like Simons or Sexton? Who knows, they definitely need to try something, but some moves will turn out better than others and I'm not sure it is cut and dry which will.

Im not expecting a big splash move to shock the fanbase. Thats not how this front office operates. Now if someone amazing suddenly becomes available and Minny wants to trade Anthony Edwards then sure go all in, but unlikely.

Despite the health concerns, I think we want to gauge what our trio of Paolo/Franz/Suggs can do together. Even without Suggs and Mo, our deficiencies in scoring and a PG have become evident. Im expecting us to go find an above avg starting level PG (Sexton, Simons, White) and grab us 1-2 scoring wing players off the bench that can step in a starting role if suggs goes down again. Just look what DET did by adding quality vets like Tobias and the 3pt shooting of THJr and Michael Beasley. 30+ game improvement over one season is crazy.

We may not have a lot of cap this summer besides the midlevel (go after NAW) but have all our picks and plenty of young assets to leverage. This is the last year before Weltman's contract is up for renewal, so you know he will try to show ownership that he is worth the extension.

I think you are right. And I do hope they create enough space to where they are willing to use close to the full MLE because I do think that could create a bargain if they pick the right guy considering many teams don't have cap space. I think this would mean they would have to be a little willing to go into the tax unless they kick the can down the road on both picks or deal them for a player.

Sign your preference of player that can fit into the MLE

Trade Cole/filler + Pick for a guard.

Consider Goga/Caldwell-Pope swaps for better fits. Could throw Wendell in this list, but that contract and nobody clearly here to step in and start if they don't trust Goga.

Use a 1st and a 2nd, draft a big if you traded Goga or just go BPA.

They should easily be able to bring on 3 new capable offensive players while keeping assets on board for a potential star guard addition down the line if they ever want to go all-in IMO.

I like it but I'd like it better if you'd name names