GT: New York Knicks @ Detroit Pistons (GAME 3: Thu, 7PM)

[K_ick_God]

What Thibs is saying is "Just get the W" ... but that sounds a lot simpler and better than it is. He had that approach after G1 and it cost us G2. Jeez.

It's like he's blaming MB for the miss and not accepting that maybe he can impact offense.

I don't know. He is a good coach in a lot of ways but this is some serious self-indictment I think.

He's a good coach, but we're looking for elite outcomes.

Well, to be honest, getting through this series should still only qualify as "good"

You're right. I mean time passes us all by eventually, not to be too depressing. Maybe he has less enthusiasm for the job. I didn't even listen to his comments but sounds suspiciously like 'Shut up fans, just hope we get the W, you don't know anything about basketball, Bridges missed, what can I do,' ETC.

That, that ... would be bad.

[Jeff Van Gully]

the departure of hartenstein and the loss of that secondary passer really exposed the knicks, huh

It’s this and the offensive rebounding. Last year’s offense wasn’t great either if you don’t have the historical offensive rebounding. We need to reinvent the wheel a little.

underrated post. a lot of our misses turned into backbreaking baskets against broken defenses because of the elite offensive rebounding.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Mitch needs to play 32 minutes. Probably should start. Play loads with KAT.

officers!

[Jeff Van Gully]

Read on Twitter

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Bickerstaff basically calling us soft wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you mean by he lied sure lol

Literally just made up a nonexistent stat

Following up, this pissed me off more than any past JB pre or post game rant.

Based on reality and the actual stats it would actually mean the opposite considering his team has benefited the most in the playoffs from all teams from FTAs and all the games have been decided by a few possessions, if the whistle went the other way or evenly distributed they would be played off the floor and that’s with the Knicks playing some of their worse offense of the season.

Brunson is #2 and Cade is #4 with a 4 FT disparity again another lie and convenient stretching of the truth

he'll pay

[MrDollarBills]

Move di rass hole ball

MOVE.

DI.

RASS.

HOLE.

BALL.

Our defense has been where it should be. If we actually played like a team offensively Detroit would be down 0-2.

Move the ball, get it back. Don't dribble down 15 secs and then make desperation passes to the corner for a rushed and contested shot. Make the defense shift and open up holes.

Detroit was blitzing and covering passing lanes really well. We have to figure out how to keep the ball moving. Not sure it was just as easy as not wanting to.

Yeah agreed, they are a good defensive club but we cannot make it easy for them either.

Pushing the pace and not letting them get set should also help. Josh needs to especially push off of rebounds.

[Iron Mantis]

This is circular reasoning. People can double and triple Karl, proving our system isn't the problem. But the system, or poor judgement, makes it easier to double and triple Karl.

if someone double or triple teams you that means someone is open. that becomes an advantage. that's what you want in basketball. what are we doing here ?

So then why aren't we finding that open player?

It's no big deal, not worth a fight tbh, but I don't think we're arguing about anything then -- the system, players moving, ball moving, help take advantage of doubles and triples. Not even worth a shouting match lol.

If you're not taking advantage of doubles, or making it too easy to double, then something is wrong with your movement or your judgement, or just maybe the players themselves ... which would I guess get Thibs off the hook some.

If you're saying we just don't have the players to take advantage of it, okay.

How about if the "open player" is a non-shooter parked like a statue behind the 3pt line like he's an actual threat to shoot but when you pass to him he's terrified to let it fly?

[KnicksGadfly]

If you mean by he lied sure lol

Literally just made up a nonexistent stat

Following up, this pissed me off more than any past JB pre or post game rant.

Based on reality and the actual stats it would actually mean the opposite considering his team has benefited the most in the playoffs from all teams from FTAs and all the games have been decided by a few possessions, if the whistle went the other way or evenly distributed they would be played off the floor and that’s with the Knicks playing some of their worse offense of the season.

Brunson is #2 and Cade is #4 with a 4 FT disparity again another lie and convenient stretching of the truth

he'll pay

I dunno. This series is reminding me of how we destroyed the Cavs a few years ago with toughness, except we're on the wrong side this time.

[MrDollarBills]

Also, can we get a healthy dose of Mitch/KAT and Jalen/Cam????

[MrDollarBills]

if someone double or triple teams you that means someone is open. that becomes an advantage. that's what you want in basketball. what are we doing here ?

So then why aren't we finding that open player?

It's no big deal, not worth a fight tbh, but I don't think we're arguing about anything then -- the system, players moving, ball moving, help take advantage of doubles and triples. Not even worth a shouting match lol.

If you're not taking advantage of doubles, or making it too easy to double, then something is wrong with your movement or your judgement, or just maybe the players themselves ... which would I guess get Thibs off the hook some.

If you're saying we just don't have the players to take advantage of it, okay.

How about if the "open player" is a non-shooter parked like a statue behind the 3pt line like he's an actual threat to shoot but when you pass to him he's terrified to let it fly?

He should never be in that position to begin with.

[H20DrainsIT]

If you mean by he lied sure lol

Literally just made up a nonexistent stat

Following up, this pissed me off more than any past JB pre or post game rant.

Based on reality and the actual stats it would actually mean the opposite considering his team has benefited the most in the playoffs from all teams from FTAs and all the games have been decided by a few possessions, if the whistle went the other way or evenly distributed they would be played off the floor and that’s with the Knicks playing some of their worse offense of the season.

Brunson is #2 and Cade is #4 with a 4 FT disparity again another lie and convenient stretching of the truth

he'll pay

Yeah just looked it up.

Cade at 17 total free throws through 2 games, or 8.5 fta/game.
JB at 21 total free throws through 2 games or 10.5 fta/game.

But the worst part of it is Detroit have 54 free throws through 2 games, or 27 fta/game.
Knicks have 36 free throws through 2 games, or 18 fta/game.

[thebuzzardman]

the departure of hartenstein and the loss of that secondary passer really exposed the knicks, huh

KAT passes better than iShart with a more complete offensive game.

That’s not the issue

[nykballa2k4]

Not only do we need this win, but we need a convincing end to end, never in doubt win.
DET going back home with the edge, fans frothing, DEEE TROITTT BASKETT BALLL we have to snuff that out.

[nykballa2k4]

Following up, this pissed me off more than any past JB pre or post game rant.

Based on reality and the actual stats it would actually mean the opposite considering his team has benefited the most in the playoffs from all teams from FTAs and all the games have been decided by a few possessions, if the whistle went the other way or evenly distributed they would be played off the floor and that’s with the Knicks playing some of their worse offense of the season.

Brunson is #2 and Cade is #4 with a 4 FT disparity again another lie and convenient stretching of the truth

he'll pay

I dunno. This series is reminding me of how we destroyed the Cavs a few years ago with toughness, except we're on the wrong side this time.

It's not toughness when refs are calling our boys for touch fouls but allowing body checks to our players on offense.

There were two plays specifically last game where Cade drove, marginal contact, he took a tough shot, then the refs waited to watch the miss before calling the foul. Every time Pistons missed a shot, I was looking at the officials thinking it's coming back.

The only Piston who the refs are going after is Thompson who apparently has foul breath because that's the only think i see him hitting our boys with.

[Van_Trump]

What's the deal with dis?

https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/new-york-knicks/news/knicks-jalen-brunson-refuses-pass-karl-anthony-towns-stats/651c492d80ebb87728f5187f

[thebuzzardman]

What's the deal with dis?

https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/new-york-knicks/news/knicks-jalen-brunson-refuses-pass-karl-anthony-towns-stats/651c492d80ebb87728f5187f

Some bullish•t

[spree8]

Damn Jalen Clutch Player of the Year

[8516knicks]

Is this a MUST win game?

It feels like it.

Feels like this next game will tell if this season will be like Thib's first playoff vs. Atlanta or more like the year we beat the Cavs. It feels like one or the other to me.

If Thibs does not rise to the challenge now, will he revert to "the game tells you what to do" and this year's version of "Julius will figure it out?"

Would that finally move Leon?

[TKKnicks1]

KAT at the top of the key or in isolation seems to be our best point of attack with off ball movement with Hart and Mikal. Instead of KAT being the decoy, rather it let be Brunson trying to fight over some off ball screens or something. KAT has the option to attack, pass or shoot. I didn't see any of this in game 2. We just kept going down to him in the post where he was getting doubled and tripled. A lot more room to operate top of the key.

[GONYK]

KAT at the top of the key or in isolation seems to be our best point of attack with off ball movement with Hart and Mikal. Instead of KAT being the decoy, rather it let be Brunson trying to fight over some off ball screens or something. KAT has the option to attack, pass or shoot. I didn't see any of this in game 2. We just kept going down to him in the post where he was getting doubled and tripled. A lot more room to operate top of the key.

This is great offense when there is a 5 on KAT. Otherwise the big man is just waiting at the rim for cutters.

[K_ick_God]

This is all the more painful if Tatum is out

Turrible lol

I take back the lack of pain