GT: New York Knicks @ Detroit Pistons (GAME 3: Thu, 7PM)

[Adelheid]

What Thibs is saying is "Just get the W" ... but that sounds a lot simpler and better than it is. He had that approach after G1 and it cost us G2. Jeez.

It's like he's blaming MB for the miss and not accepting that maybe he can impact offense.

I don't know. He is a good coach in a lot of ways but this is some serious self-indictment I think.

He's a good coach, but we're looking for elite outcomes.

Well, to be honest, getting through this series should still only qualify as "good"

You're right. I mean time passes us all by eventually, not to be too depressing. Maybe he has less enthusiasm for the job. I didn't even listen to his comments but sounds suspiciously like 'Shut up fans, just hope we get the W, you don't know anything about basketball, Bridges missed, what can I do,' ETC.

That, that ... would be bad.

you are the 1st one i've seen here commenting about "enthusiasm levels" in regard to Tom. I had some suspicions about it, which is not far-fetched considering how old he is and perhaps he is not as wide-eye dreamy as we fans are, as to what the peak this team could achieve.

[K_ick_God]

if someone double or triple teams you that means someone is open. that becomes an advantage. that's what you want in basketball. what are we doing here ?

So then why aren't we finding that open player?

It's no big deal, not worth a fight tbh, but I don't think we're arguing about anything then -- the system, players moving, ball moving, help take advantage of doubles and triples. Not even worth a shouting match lol.

If you're not taking advantage of doubles, or making it too easy to double, then something is wrong with your movement or your judgement, or just maybe the players themselves ... which would I guess get Thibs off the hook some.

If you're saying we just don't have the players to take advantage of it, okay.

How about if the "open player" is a non-shooter parked like a statue behind the 3pt line like he's an actual threat to shoot but when you pass to him he's terrified to let it fly?

Then come up with a diff scheme bc Hart is the best slasher

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks should just lose this game so one step closer to the fugazi season being over. More time for offseason agenda based posting and arguments

[K_ick_God]

Knicks should just lose this game so one step closer to the fugazi season being over. More time for offseason agenda based posting and arguments

I honestly could see two blowouts

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks should just lose this game so one step closer to the fugazi season being over. More time for offseason agenda based posting and arguments

I honestly could see two blowouts

Roster is off and Thibs can’t adjust

[MrDollarBills]

the departure of hartenstein and the loss of that secondary passer really exposed the knicks, huh

KAT passes better than iShart with a more complete offensive game.

That’s not the issue

IHart was a good high post passer but KAT is a good passer for his size.

Having KAT stand and watch isos when he could be running actions with Brunson or away from the ball to open up a man/force a mismatch is a bigger issue to me.

Defensively, he shouldn't be playing C. But it is what it is at this point. Tom will not let go of Josh

[K_ick_God]

Not trolling, hope I’m wrong deadly so, but a collapse may be imminent

[NiceLikeChrist]

Hart in the starting lineup is elfrid Payton starting against the hawks in 2021 until the elimination game.

Thibs is just a dummy and I expect hart to start unless he has no other option but to try something else (elimination game)

[Iron Mantis]

So then why aren't we finding that open player?

It's no big deal, not worth a fight tbh, but I don't think we're arguing about anything then -- the system, players moving, ball moving, help take advantage of doubles and triples. Not even worth a shouting match lol.

If you're not taking advantage of doubles, or making it too easy to double, then something is wrong with your movement or your judgement, or just maybe the players themselves ... which would I guess get Thibs off the hook some.

If you're saying we just don't have the players to take advantage of it, okay.

How about if the "open player" is a non-shooter parked like a statue behind the 3pt line like he's an actual threat to shoot but when you pass to him he's terrified to let it fly?

Then come up with a diff scheme bc Hart is the best slasher

The current coach is not capable of something so "complex"such as "schemes".

The game tells you what to do.

[Capn'O]

Damnit, it's beneath me to use this turn of phrase but... it really does smell like bitch in here.

This one's gonna be tight the whole way. Just gotta win one in Detroit and we've been a good road team all season.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

the departure of hartenstein and the loss of that secondary passer really exposed the knicks, huh

It’s this and the offensive rebounding. Last year’s offense wasn’t great either if you don’t have the historical offensive rebounding. We need to reinvent the wheel a little.

underrated post. a lot of our misses turned into backbreaking baskets against broken defenses because of the elite offensive rebounding.

Ergo more Mitch

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Damnit, it's beneath me to use this turn of phrase but... it really does smell like bitch in here.

This one's gonna be tight the whole way. Just gotta win one in Detroit and we've been a good road team all season.

I mean, yes and no.

The Knicks clearly have the better team. If Thibs could punch his way out of a wet paper bag it shouldn't even be close

On the other hand ... the Pistons have basically dominated the two games so far, choked in G1Q4 and again somewhat in G2. Now maybe they are just running out of gas because of a weak bench. However, maybe they just didn't really believe it whatever. 1-3 would be tough, but not a disaster for the Knicks.

[ezmoney707]

Damnit, it's beneath me to use this turn of phrase but... it really does smell like bitch in here.

This one's gonna be tight the whole way. Just gotta win one in Detroit and we've been a good road team all season.

Watch on YouTube

[Clyde_Style]

if we lose everyone will blame thibs, who should absolutely be replaced now that leon's cashed in for this style of team. but if we lose, to these scrappy young detroit pistons, it is 100% the fault of key players being pussy

You're not entirely wrong. The players bare responsibility, too.

It’s always more nuanced than the hills we choose to fight and die on.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Damnit, it's beneath me to use this turn of phrase but... it really does smell like bitch in here.

This one's gonna be tight the whole way. Just gotta win one in Detroit and we've been a good road team all season.

Watch on YouTube

y'all smell somethin?

[Clyde_Style]

Not trolling, hope I’m wrong deadly so, but a collapse may be imminent

and if it happens it will be entirely your fault

[spree8]

Damnit, it's beneath me to use this turn of phrase but... it really does smell like bitch in here.

This one's gonna be tight the whole way. Just gotta win one in Detroit and we've been a good road team all season.

I dunno man, we only beat them once this year (in Detroit) but they didn’t have Thompson and it was very early in the season.

They waxed us the other 3 times with Cade dropping 30+ every time including a trip dub, and almost won game 1 too. So that’s 4-2.

Feels like they’re on the upswing and our players are crumbling along with the coach going senile. Hope I’m wrong, but I dunno

[TKKnicks1]

KAT at the top of the key or in isolation seems to be our best point of attack with off ball movement with Hart and Mikal. Instead of KAT being the decoy, rather it let be Brunson trying to fight over some off ball screens or something. KAT has the option to attack, pass or shoot. I didn't see any of this in game 2. We just kept going down to him in the post where he was getting doubled and tripled. A lot more room to operate top of the key.

This is great offense when there is a 5 on KAT. Otherwise the big man is just waiting at the rim for cutters.

Play 5 out.

[Adelheid]

5 out offense wont work if hart or any non shooter is on the starting lineup and the center just packs the paint or doubles someone else

[GONYK]

KAT at the top of the key or in isolation seems to be our best point of attack with off ball movement with Hart and Mikal. Instead of KAT being the decoy, rather it let be Brunson trying to fight over some off ball screens or something. KAT has the option to attack, pass or shoot. I didn't see any of this in game 2. We just kept going down to him in the post where he was getting doubled and tripled. A lot more room to operate top of the key.

This is great offense when there is a 5 on KAT. Otherwise the big man is just waiting at the rim for cutters.

Play 5 out.

We could play Shamet or Deuce, but that makes us smaller and DET is already outrebounding us.

Hart brings a lot to the table, just not shooting. At some point we have to do the math on whether the poor spacing outweighs all the benefits of starting Hart. Add to that that you can't play Hart and Mitch together.

It's more complicated than it seems.