2025 Playoffs: Round 1, Game 2: Heatz v Cabs - 7:30pm EST on 4/23

[UFAlum88]

Imagine if Jaime hadn't lost his mojo and Niko didn't get hurt, and we were using this lineup...

Herro
Jaime
Jovic
Bam
Ware

3 ball handlers and shot creators, and that's not even counting Bam, great size, only negative is you might have issues defensively but again the size can cover some of that. Davion was great again tonight though so I dunno, hard to pull him out, I just wish he could actually identify the open man when he drives.

Jaime scored 40+ and then he was put on the bench.

Come on now. He scored 40 in a game no one cared about.

No doubt. But I cannot understand that with so many players struggling...why not give him a shot?

[marson]

Did we get this from you after game 1?

Combining for just 59 points over two games, Wiggins and Bam both earning under $30 million, need to step up their offensive output. That level of production is simply not acceptable given their contracts. Herro needs help offensively.

That’s not the point you were making though, you were nitpicking 1 game to prop up a player and **** on the others but your whole basis was about winning matchups. 1 of those players has won their matchup based on the standard you’re holding them to. I’m not even arguing anything, I’m just calling out the Wild nitpicking from you and then not even backing the own argument you’re trying to make when it gets corrected lol

Not even trying to nitpick here, but getting just 59 points combined from the other two so-called top players over two games isn't cutting it. But hey, do your thing.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

GB Cavs fans complaining bout how the refs are biased for Miami.

Now those are some rose colored glasses. Lmfao.

7 more FTA than us and 6 more foul calls on us.

They (and random posters) also claiming Niko sucks, GB is always low IQ reactionary takes, they don't notice who got us back into the game they just see the missed 3's.

Dumb. No one said he sucks. Just that he is average. That he should not have been taking needed shots with a bad hand. That his youth and rust meant he might not have been the best choice at the end. But sure...whatever you say.

I really wasn't meaning you, when I said random posters I meant people other than Cavs fans on the general board. Whenever your team is the underdog and you don't win, all the random general board posters get pissed because they just want to see upsets.

[UFAlum88]

They (and random posters) also claiming Niko sucks, GB is always low IQ reactionary takes, they don't notice who got us back into the game they just see the missed 3's.

Dumb. No one said he sucks. Just that he is average. That he should not have been taking needed shots with a bad hand. That his youth and rust meant he might not have been the best choice at the end. But sure...whatever you say.

I really wasn't meaning you, when I said random posters I meant people other than Cavs fans on the general board. Whenever your team is the underdog and you don't win, all the random general board posters get pissed because they just want to see upsets.

Got it. My bad.

[Shewasfly]

Jaime scored 40+ and then he was put on the bench.

Come on now. He scored 40 in a game no one cared about.

No doubt. But I cannot understand that with so many players struggling...why not give him a shot?

I hear that too. During the game I was dangerously close to wanting him in over Duncan. But with the way the Cavs shoot, you can't justify it. I personally like Spo's rotation tonight except that he played Duncan. If he can cut Duncan out entirely I'll have no more notes for him.

[DayofMourning]

Is it back to you insfo, or is another worthy poster going to step out of the shadows and lead us on a 4 game winning streak???

[DayofMourning]

Duncan and Rozier can never play again. You play Christopher over them for chrissakes.

[KingDavid]

Just need the Cavs to not get searing hot for a half again and just a little more offensive output from Bam & Wiggins. I think we have to design plays for Wiggins to score. I think he might be good off the ball moving around when Niko is in instead of pinning Wiggins to the corner or 3pt line. I don't think Wiggins is as bad on offense as he seemed tonight.

[unowen85]

Crazy to think that the trio of Herro, Mitchell, and Highsmith almost stole that game.

[DayofMourning]

Just need the Cavs to not get searing hot for a half again and just a little more offensive output from Bam & Wiggins. I think we have to design plays for Wiggins to score. I think he might be good off the ball moving around when Niko is in instead of pinning Wiggins to the corner or 3pt line. I don't think Wiggins is as bad on offense as he seemed tonight.

The Cavs arent THAT good. We just cant have zero offensive performances from our big contracts.

Take Herro out of the mix and our 4 biggest contracts are Rozier, Duncan, Wiggins and Bam.

They combined for 24 points tonight.

[marson]

Crazy to think that the trio of Herro, Mitchell, and Highsmith almost stole that game.

Really hope they extend Mitch. Almost a comeback.

[Shewasfly]

I wouldn't go that far, but he doesn't work when Herro's the only creator. If we had a true point guard, or maybe if he was playing with Niko? I dunno Wiggins is just a weird talent because he has crazy iso skill, but he's a ball stopper and its just better for the offense when he relegates himself to spot-up shooting.

After seeing him for the time hes been with us, I'm confident with my assessment of him. Obviously he doesn't fully "suck" as a player, but as far as what we would need him to do? Absolutely. He's like Bam (not saying Bam sucks, Bam is FAR better of a player) in that he's a third option, preferably less than that on a good team.

Think about it, even with a true creator, would you seriously want him kicking it out to Wiggins? Enough to give him 19 shots a game, or whatever amount he's shooting for us?

He would be better as a 6th man. We looked noticeably better when Pelle was starting in his place.

I can't disagree with any of this, it just sucks because he makes too much money to be a 6th man unless your team is already a championship contender. He also cuts into the 2026 plan so we kinda have to showcase him if we want to possibly move him for capspace and not be stuck with him.

Also he plays great D. But it is disappointing that he's basically just a more offensively talented Haywood Highsmith.

The D I will give you. Sort of anyway. He hasn't done much to slow Garland. But he is a complete drag on offense. Its actually another comparison point to Bam. Great D, questionable offense. But Bam at least you can run plays for others through. Wiggins is just a drag through and through.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Cavs still finished at 49% from 3 btw which is ridiculous. If they shoot 40% which is still extremely high as a team we win.

That's not to say they don't deserve credit, but this series isn't as bad as it looks. Still think we're obviously another star away from real contender status but I'm also leaning towards Cleveland potentially being a bit fraudulent, but then, I don't really see anyone in the east as great right now, the top two teams are both way too over reliant on the 3-point shot.

Then again maybe I'm just too old and need to accept this league is a 3-point league now and forever moving forward. I dunno.

[wade44]

Duncan and Rozier can never play again. You play Christopher over them for chrissakes.

Yep. Spo will never learn with Duncan

[marson]

Just need the Cavs to not get searing hot for a half again and just a little more offensive output from Bam & Wiggins. I think we have to design plays for Wiggins to score. I think he might be good off the ball moving around when Niko is in instead of pinning Wiggins to the corner or 3pt line. I don't think Wiggins is as bad on offense as he seemed tonight.

The Cavs arent THAT good. We just cant have zero offensive performances from our big contracts.

Take Herro out of the mix and our 4 biggest contracts are Rozier, Duncan, Wiggins and Bam.

They combined for 24 points tonight.

This is wild. Herro going toe-to-toe with Donovan feels like some kind of miracle.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Just need the Cavs to not get searing hot for a half again and just a little more offensive output from Bam & Wiggins. I think we have to design plays for Wiggins to score. I think he might be good off the ball moving around when Niko is in instead of pinning Wiggins to the corner or 3pt line. I don't think Wiggins is as bad on offense as he seemed tonight.

The Cavs arent THAT good. We just cant have zero offensive performances from our big contracts.

Take Herro out of the mix and our 4 biggest contracts are Rozier, Duncan, Wiggins and Bam.

They combined for 24 points tonight.

Sometimes I feel like people pile on Duncan too much and that everyone gets overpaid in this league, but its shocking to think he's still a top 5 paid player on this roster.

[DayofMourning]

Cavs still finished at 49% from 3 btw which is ridiculous. If they shoot 40% which is still extremely high as a team we win.

That's not to say they don't deserve credit, but this series isn't as bad as it looks. Still think we're obviously another star away from real contender status but I'm also leaning towards Cleveland potentially being a bit fraudulent, but then, I don't really see anyone in the east as great right now, the top two teams are both way too over reliant on the 3-point shot.

Then again maybe I'm just too old and need to accept this league is a 3-point league now and forever moving forward. I dunno.

Weve played well against them for long stretches. We just collectively **** the bed for at least one long stretch each game.

[Shewasfly]

I think we have to design plays for Wiggins to score.

Now yall just trying to make me mad lol.

Absolutely NOT. Please God no.

[K N U C K L E S]

People blaming Niko while he was a huge factor for us getting back into the game. If anything blame Bam and Wiggins for not being able to score the ball.

Fair enough, but he shouldn't have played the last few minutes of the game.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Just need the Cavs to not get searing hot for a half again and just a little more offensive output from Bam & Wiggins. I think we have to design plays for Wiggins to score. I think he might be good off the ball moving around when Niko is in instead of pinning Wiggins to the corner or 3pt line. I don't think Wiggins is as bad on offense as he seemed tonight.

The Cavs arent THAT good. We just cant have zero offensive performances from our big contracts.

Take Herro out of the mix and our 4 biggest contracts are Rozier, Duncan, Wiggins and Bam.

They combined for 24 points tonight.

This is wild. Herro going toe-to-toe with Donovan feels like some kind of miracle.

Man imagine if he didn't have T-Rex arms, he might actually have top 10 player potential. Its funny, I feel like they're almost inversing each other because while I think Mitchell's pretty great, he still feels slightly disappointing like I thought he might have become a top 5 player by now, and he's just sort of really good without being dominant/great, while Tyler was supposed to be just another low IQ chucker and he basically got near Mitchell's level this year.