WT: Giannis Antetokounmpo's Future With Bucks 'The Elephant In The Room' In NBA

[SaveTheHens]

It'd cost the farm prob, I trust Masai but having little assets to work with to build a contendor around Giannis may not be so easy. I mean I'm sure some of the guys we'd keep would take a step and I'd still love the opportunity of having Giannis, but maybe we can keep developing this core and hope for the best in 2 years. Some lil promises of working under Masai after its all said and done, or whatever role he'd want in the organization, plus his past relationship with Masai, who knows? If we got to keep most of our assets, maybe lose a bit of value to clear cap space, and signed Giannis in two years we're much more likely to win a ring than if we gutted our team to get him. But either way I'd still be down, would be great to bring an MVP-level player back to Toronto.

[mdenny]

After playing in a small market for so many years, Giannis is going to demand to go to a large market with this trade, to a team ready to compete.

None of the large markets have the assets to trade for him, or if they do, they aren't ready to compete.

LAL and NYK have no picks left in this decade, nor do they have any noteworthy prospects.

Miami can trade for him, but they aren't ready to compete, and won't be any time soon.

Same goes for Brooklyn.

Giannis is picking his next spot. And the team that gets him won’t have to give up as much as everyone thinks they should.

Remember, the Lakers still have the pick they got back from that trade they nixed with the Hornets.

Completely different scenario.

The reason why the Mavericks were never gonna get the full return is because doncic would refuse to be traded and would tank his own value if rumors went public.

Doncic lost 100 million dollars by being traded. If rumors had circulated about him....he would've said "I will not resign with whatever team trades for me". So Dallas was NEVER going to get a good return for him by creating a market. That's why they did it in secretly without looking for the best deal. That's what ppl don't understand about that trade. There was no way of creating a bidding war without also giving Doncic a chance to tank his trade value. If there was a bidding war....it would've been for 18 months of Doncic. A longish rental player.

That's the explanation for why the Mavericks got so little in return.

In this speculative giannis scenario....giannis would be ASKING for a trade and he doesn't stand to lose money because of it.

Giannis will probably get the biggest return we've ever seen. Paul George level.

The nba media will never convince me to sympathize with Luka doncic. All those tears are about the 100 million that he lost. He thought he had the Mavericks in a clamp. That he could do whatever he wanted and there was nothing anyone could do about it. They said go **** yourself.

It's impossible to like that guy imo. He's a brat. I don't blame the Mavericks for it to be honest. I've gone over what their options were and I can't see any other way out.

Furthermore....I am interested to see if doncic re-ups with the Lakers this summer. If he doesn't....it will start a media storm. Doncic's agent might rightfully advise him that the Lakers colluded in the plan that robbed him of 100 million dollars.

[bballsparkin]

It'd cost the farm prob, I trust Masai but having little assets to work with to build a contendor around Giannis may not be so easy. I mean I'm sure some of the guys we'd keep would take a step and I'd still love the opportunity of having Giannis, but maybe we can keep developing this core and hope for the best in 2 years. Some lil promises of working under Masai after its all said and done, or whatever role he'd want in the organization, plus his past relationship with Masai, who knows? If we got to keep most of our assets, maybe lose a bit of value to clear cap space, and signed Giannis in two years we're much more likely to win a ring than if we gutted our team to get him. But either way I'd still be down, would be great to bring an MVP-level player back to Toronto.

Why would he want to come here? The border? Higher taxes. It's not great weather. April has been a downer. Other teams are in a better position to win.

[CPT]

Completely different scenario.

The reason why the Mavericks were never gonna get the full return is because doncic would refuse to be traded and would tank his own value if rumors went public.

Doncic lost 100 million dollars by being traded. If rumors had circulated about him....he would've said "I will not resign with whatever team trades for me". So Dallas was NEVER going to get a good return for him by creating a market. That's why they did it in secretly without looking for the best deal. That's what ppl don't understand about that trade. There was no way of creating a bidding war without also giving Doncic a chance to tank his trade value. If there was a bidding war....it would've been for 18 months of Doncic. A longish rental player.

That's the explanation for why the Mavericks got so little in return.

In this speculative giannis scenario....giannis would be ASKING for a trade and he doesn't stand to lose money because of it.

Giannis will probably get the biggest return we've ever seen. Paul George level.

The nba media will never convince me to sympathize with Luka doncic. All those tears are about the 100 million that he lost. He thought he had the Mavericks in a clamp. That he could do whatever he wanted and there was nothing anyone could do about it. They said go **** yourself.

It's impossible to like that guy imo. He's a brat. I don't blame the Mavericks for it to be honest. I've gone over what their options were and I can't see any other way out.

Furthermore....I am interested to see if doncic re-ups with the Lakers this summer. If he doesn't....it will start a media storm. Doncic's agent might rightfully advise him that the Lakers colluded in the plan that robbed him of 100 million dollars.

Bad, bad Luka.

[Jcity08]

None of the large markets have the assets to trade for him, or if they do, they aren't ready to compete.

LAL and NYK have no picks left in this decade, nor do they have any noteworthy prospects.

Miami can trade for him, but they aren't ready to compete, and won't be any time soon.

Same goes for Brooklyn.

Giannis is picking his next spot. And the team that gets him won’t have to give up as much as everyone thinks they should.

Remember, the Lakers still have the pick they got back from that trade they nixed with the Hornets.

Completely different scenario.

The reason why the Mavericks were never gonna get the full return is because doncic would refuse to be traded and would tank his own value if rumors went public.

Doncic lost 100 million dollars by being traded. If rumors had circulated about him....he would've said "I will not resign with whatever team trades for me". So Dallas was NEVER going to get a good return for him by creating a market. That's why they did it in secretly without looking for the best deal. That's what ppl don't understand about that trade. There was no way of creating a bidding war without also giving Doncic a chance to tank his trade value. If there was a bidding war....it would've been for 18 months of Doncic. A longish rental player.

That's the explanation for why the Mavericks got so little in return.

In this speculative giannis scenario....giannis would be ASKING for a trade and he doesn't stand to lose money because of it.

Giannis will probably get the biggest return we've ever seen. Paul George level.

The nba media will never convince me to sympathize with Luka doncic. All those tears are about the 100 million that he lost. He thought he had the Mavericks in a clamp. That he could do whatever he wanted and there was nothing anyone could do about it. They said go **** yourself.

It's impossible to like that guy imo. He's a brat. I don't blame the Mavericks for it to be honest. I've gone over what their options were and I can't see any other way out.

Furthermore....I am interested to see if doncic re-ups with the Lakers this summer. If he doesn't....it will start a media storm. Doncic's agent might rightfully advise him that the Lakers colluded in the plan that robbed him of 100 million dollars.

Is that you Nico?

Luka took the Mavs to the playoffs in a brutal west every season he's been in the league but 2 and one was his rookie season. And the season prior to getting traded they were in the Finals.

Mavs are trash and are headed towards irrelevance on the back of an aging injury prone big.

[mdenny]

Giannis is picking his next spot. And the team that gets him won’t have to give up as much as everyone thinks they should.

Remember, the Lakers still have the pick they got back from that trade they nixed with the Hornets.

Completely different scenario.

The reason why the Mavericks were never gonna get the full return is because doncic would refuse to be traded and would tank his own value if rumors went public.

Doncic lost 100 million dollars by being traded. If rumors had circulated about him....he would've said "I will not resign with whatever team trades for me". So Dallas was NEVER going to get a good return for him by creating a market. That's why they did it in secretly without looking for the best deal. That's what ppl don't understand about that trade. There was no way of creating a bidding war without also giving Doncic a chance to tank his trade value. If there was a bidding war....it would've been for 18 months of Doncic. A longish rental player.

That's the explanation for why the Mavericks got so little in return.

In this speculative giannis scenario....giannis would be ASKING for a trade and he doesn't stand to lose money because of it.

Giannis will probably get the biggest return we've ever seen. Paul George level.

The nba media will never convince me to sympathize with Luka doncic. All those tears are about the 100 million that he lost. He thought he had the Mavericks in a clamp. That he could do whatever he wanted and there was nothing anyone could do about it. They said go **** yourself.

It's impossible to like that guy imo. He's a brat. I don't blame the Mavericks for it to be honest. I've gone over what their options were and I can't see any other way out.

Furthermore....I am interested to see if doncic re-ups with the Lakers this summer. If he doesn't....it will start a media storm. Doncic's agent might rightfully advise him that the Lakers colluded in the plan that robbed him of 100 million dollars.

Is that you Nico?

Luka took the Mavs to the playoffs in a brutal west every season he's been in the league but 2 and one was his rookie season. And the season prior to getting traded they were in the Finals.

Mavs are trash and are headed towards irrelevance on the back of an aging injury prone big.

You are free to suggest what they should have done. I think I can provide further explanation for anyone that suggests any other way they could've gone.

[MiamiSPX]

Giannis is picking his next spot. And the team that gets him won’t have to give up as much as everyone thinks they should.

100%. There will not be some league-wide bidding war because the Bucks will move him to a team on the list he gives them. Giannis will likely be more reasonable than Dame and provide a few teams. His wife is from California, so if I had to guess, both LA teams would be on his list, along with both NY teams and all the Texas teams. EDIT - How could I forget Miami lol? It's on every player's list.

[ConSarnit]

Bucks probably will want to move off Dame too, as he won't make sense moving forward, so I can see them trying to package with Giannis.

Dame and Greak Freak

For

Scottie, RJ, Quick and our 2025 first

If that's all it takes. Well then sure.

Obviously zero chance we could get Giannis for that. The Bucks are going to trade Giannis so they can be the ‘24/25 Raptors but with added benefit of having no future draft picks? There would be a million better deals out there for the Bucks.

[NinjaBro]

Why do you guys always do this to yourselves? Everytime some big time free agent's name comes up in the news you guys all get thirsty. No Big Time free agent's ever comes here. Nothing to see here.

[ConSarnit]

Completely different scenario.

The reason why the Mavericks were never gonna get the full return is because doncic would refuse to be traded and would tank his own value if rumors went public.

Doncic lost 100 million dollars by being traded. If rumors had circulated about him....he would've said "I will not resign with whatever team trades for me". So Dallas was NEVER going to get a good return for him by creating a market. That's why they did it in secretly without looking for the best deal. That's what ppl don't understand about that trade. There was no way of creating a bidding war without also giving Doncic a chance to tank his trade value. If there was a bidding war....it would've been for 18 months of Doncic. A longish rental player.

That's the explanation for why the Mavericks got so little in return.

In this speculative giannis scenario....giannis would be ASKING for a trade and he doesn't stand to lose money because of it.

Giannis will probably get the biggest return we've ever seen. Paul George level.

The nba media will never convince me to sympathize with Luka doncic. All those tears are about the 100 million that he lost. He thought he had the Mavericks in a clamp. That he could do whatever he wanted and there was nothing anyone could do about it. They said go **** yourself.

It's impossible to like that guy imo. He's a brat. I don't blame the Mavericks for it to be honest. I've gone over what their options were and I can't see any other way out.

Furthermore....I am interested to see if doncic re-ups with the Lakers this summer. If he doesn't....it will start a media storm. Doncic's agent might rightfully advise him that the Lakers colluded in the plan that robbed him of 100 million dollars.

Is that you Nico?

Luka took the Mavs to the playoffs in a brutal west every season he's been in the league but 2 and one was his rookie season. And the season prior to getting traded they were in the Finals.

Mavs are trash and are headed towards irrelevance on the back of an aging injury prone big.

You are free to suggest what they should have done. I think I can provide further explanation for anyone that suggests any other way they could've gone.

This is a ridiculous assertion. The Mavs opened bidding to 2 teams. All they had to do was let Luka’s representatives negotiate which teams he would have been willing to sign an extension with and the offers would have been much stronger. The reason the Lakers took the risk of trading for Luka without an extension is because they are the Lakers and they have a clear leg up in retaining stars.

It’s common sense the Mavs return would have been greater had they opened bidding unless you are of the belief that Luka would have only extended with the Lakers and no one else.

[PushDaRock]

Why do you guys always do this to yourselves? Everytime some big time free agent's name comes up in the news you guys all get thirsty. No Big Time free agent's ever comes here. Nothing to see here.

He's not a FA, which is probably why people are getting thirsty since we did get Kawhi through a trade before.

[PushDaRock]

The Bucks aren't gonna trade giannis for a bunch of late/mid first round picks and salary filler.

I heard the same thing about Harden and KD. Again, who's beating OKC's treasure chest? 30-35 picks over the next 7 years. These aren't crap either, they have Philly's top-6 protected pick this year, Utah's 2026 top-8 protected, Dallas 2028 unprotected swap, best of LAC/DEN 2027.

And it's a certainty that OKC extends Chet and Williams this summer. Can you cite any recent examples where such a player on their rookie contract didn't extend in the summer before their 4th season?

Sure, Tyrese Maxey. IQ and Ayton are other examples, although lesser players. All it takes is a GM willing to make an unpopular choice.

Maxey didn't extend so they could have a Max slot available which they ended up using for Paul George.

The Ayton situation was just weird, especially when they end up matching the Max Offer Sheet he got anyways. IQ was playing behind Brunson and they didn't want to give him starter money.

Market value for Williams and Holmgren is already set at the Rookie extension Max. Maybe you can make the case for wait and see on Holmgren because of the injury issues but overall it's just not worth the potential backlash. I expect Presti not to mess around and just get them locked up.

[Brinbe]

Luka never asked out and Nico handled negotiations like a complete idiot. Don't think it's a comparable.

Giannis also doesn't have a NMC or anything so though he certainly will have a say in where he wants to go, the Bucks will absolute try to get a decent haul out of it. And they could def do better than Austin Reaves, some pithy Lakers pick and spare parts. They won't be fishing for that 2nd star until Lebron's gone and he's still there for at least 2 or 3 seasons.

The Bucks will want a young star plus a shtload of picks/pick swaps and they'll get it.

[Psubs]

Why do you guys always do this to yourselves? Everytime some big time free agent's name comes up in the news you guys all get thirsty. No Big Time free agent's ever comes here. Nothing to see here.

He's under contract.

Brandon Ingram was under contract for 1 year. Kawhi was under contract for 1 year.

KD, Giannis and Sabonis are all maybe improbable but not impossible.

[Ado05]

Scottie Barnes you are a Milwaukee buck

[ItsDanger]

No patience for a rebuild. When a possible opportunity is mentioned, people jump immediately, regardless of how likely it might be.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Bucks probably will want to move off Dame too, as he won't make sense moving forward, so I can see them trying to package with Giannis.

Dame and Greak Freak

For

Scottie, RJ, Quick and our 2025 first

If that's all it takes. Well then sure.

Obviously zero chance we could get Giannis for that. The Bucks are going to trade Giannis so they can be the ‘24/25 Raptors but with added benefit of having no future draft picks? There would be a million better deals out there for the Bucks.

Oh sure, add future draft picks then too

[ishoy123]

It'd cost the farm prob, I trust Masai but having little assets to work with to build a contendor around Giannis may not be so easy. I mean I'm sure some of the guys we'd keep would take a step and I'd still love the opportunity of having Giannis, but maybe we can keep developing this core and hope for the best in 2 years. Some lil promises of working under Masai after its all said and done, or whatever role he'd want in the organization, plus his past relationship with Masai, who knows? If we got to keep most of our assets, maybe lose a bit of value to clear cap space, and signed Giannis in two years we're much more likely to win a ring than if we gutted our team to get him. But either way I'd still be down, would be great to bring an MVP-level player back to Toronto.

Why would he want to come here? The border? Higher taxes. It's not great weather. April has been a downer. Other teams are in a better position to win.

The taxes and weather for Milwaukee are not materially different from Toronto. He's also not an American citizen... the border aspect may not bother him as much as for other players.

For Giannis, I think it's really all about championship odds... Not saying Toronto is necessarily the best place for that today, but everything else is going to be secondary to that.

[LoveMyRaps]

Horst just got extended.

[YogurtProducer]

No patience for a rebuild. When a possible opportunity is mentioned, people jump immediately, regardless of how likely it might be.

You dont need to rebuild if you have a chance to get Giannis and be a contender. Rebuilding is a waste of time if you can just... go get a superstar.