Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[MasterGMer]

I am interesting to see what is going on in Milwaukee. Giannis would be the biggest elephant in the room this summer.

He has been trying so hard. But the team is just incapable. They try to go youth by trading for Kuzma but it didn't work out.

Giannis would be in his 30s. He is still in his prime. But if you wanna win, you ask for a trade

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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[Cammo101]

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It's crazy to me people are saying this like it's some sort of big revolution. This has been the problem for 3 years. We just chose to do nothing about it.

[Husky1]

Just make sure Cole, WCJ and KCP are off this roster to start next year. If we have to add picks to them, so be it. They actively hurt us. It would just be addition by subtraction if they left. Didnt add Houstan and Harris cos they're a no brainer to not get their options picked up.....right? Weltman has completely whiffed what was a layup to build this team around Franz and Paolo. Its a massive up hill battle now

[cedric76]

Just make sure Cole, WCJ and KCP are off this roster to start next year. If we have to add picks to them, so be it. They actively hurt us. It would just be addition by subtraction if they left. Didnt add Houstan and Harris cos they're a no brainer to not get their options picked up.....right? Weltman has completely whiffed what was a layup to build this team around Franz and Paolo. Its a massive up hill battle now

Cole has to go for sure, he ll be trade along a frp for a guy like sexton

But I don't understand why people want to trade wcj. Why? He is on a fair contract and fit how r team is built

Can Switch on D
Can stretch the floor (he had a bad shooting season but history says that he can spread the floor)

[Skybox]

Just make sure Cole, WCJ and KCP are off this roster to start next year. If we have to add picks to them, so be it. They actively hurt us. It would just be addition by subtraction if they left. Didnt add Houstan and Harris cos they're a no brainer to not get their options picked up.....right? Weltman has completely whiffed what was a layup to build this team around Franz and Paolo. Its a massive up hill battle now

Cole has to go for sure, he ll be trade along a frp for a guy like sexton

But I don't understand why people want to trade wcj. Why? He is on a fair contract and fit how r team is built

Can Switch on D
Can stretch the floor (he had a bad shooting season but history says that he can spread the floor)

I've bought into the "WCJ is a floor spreader" but, statistically, history doesn't defend that...once in 7 seasons, he hit above league average (37.4% last year on 3.1 attempts). His career average from 3 is 31.6% on 2.3 apg and it's not like it's trended up over his career as he "developed". This year, it's 23.4% on 2.3 attempts. Every time he does that stupid pump fake and passes on an open 3 from up top, I cringe. If he took two more attempts per game, even at his mediocre success rate, it'd open up the paint a bit. Last night, he pulled up without hesitation from the corner but refused to take open shots from up top, which is where he (as a Center and defensive anchor) is more likely to be. I'd be willing to bet that he's done more pump fakes than attempts from 3 over the last few years.

The eye test says that he's clearly our best rebounder, but he's only average 10+ once in his career. He has moments where he rips them down in a crowd and looks like a tiger, but most of the time, he's somewhat invisible. This just isn't feasible when our two 6'10 forwards spend most of their time on the perimeter...that's their fault, not WCJ's, but it makes him a less than ideal pairing, imo. Paolo and Franz are, obviously, worth overlooking their weaknesses and building around them and our bigs really don't complement them that well.

He really does switch well on the perimeter and can lock up a smaller player for a few seconds, which is all it's really fair to ask of a C. On some nights (and that's a problem) he's got a lot of fight in him, on the boards and defensively...but not enough of the time. I think he could be a solid backup at 5 and 4, maybe one of the best in the league, but I think we need a bigger, stronger rebounding C, who gives the opposition something to worry about when they come inside.

Goga's closer to the "type" I have in mind, but he's just not that great...so we are stocked with 3 overpaid backups and one of them has to start. Moe is a lot of fun, and can have occasional big scoring nights, but he's a luxury because he is so situational, matchup-wise.

This year Next 27-28 Recent history - last 3 or so year trends
WCJ $12m 11m 18m around 11-12 ppg (historically but 9 now), 7-8 rpg, less than a block, unreliable effort
Goga $9m 8.3m 7.6m around 5-6ppg, 4 or 5 rpg, 1 block, not a 3pt shooter, just not a smart player, Mose doghouse
Moe $11m 11m TO ? around 11ppg, 4 rpg, doesn't block shots, below league avg for 3's on low volume
Isaac $25m 15m 15m around 6ppg, 4 rpg, maybe league average from 3 on less than 2 attempts, plays few mpg


Our backcourt is the biggest problem, offensively, but our frontcourt bigs are a jumble of incomplete players. I'd be happy to keep 2, preferably WCJ & Moe, but WCJ might appeal to another team and his extension is questionable if he's not a reliable starter. Moe might be worth $11m in a vacuum, but he's a very incomplete player - which I guess is OK if paired with a defensive PF (WCJ?) off the bench. I'd move off of Isaac & Goga, if anyone will have them for a positive return and invest in a more capable starter....dream scenario is a rookie scale guy, but I don't see anyone at our pick spots.

Ideal C, IMO, not just to "complement" Paolo & Franz, but to cover for them on the boards & defense, would be a guy like Zubac or Jarrett Allen. Maybe (I don't know why but maybe) Walker Kessler could be had from UTA. Kessler is not a great individual player, but he might fit really well with P&F.

As long as we're talking to UTA, maybe there's a Sexton/Kessler deal to be made...problem is, they won't want bloated deals on vets to balance...Ainge will want picks and prospects or expirings or extra picks for taking guaranteed salary.

[Skybox]

ORL sends: Cole Anthony (expiring), Goga Bitadze, both of our 25 frps (16 & 25), ORL 26 frp (top 5)
UTA sends: Colin Sexton, Walker Kessler
Ainge might prefer future picks that can take his time trading but I'd prefer to pay now. I'd want to have serious extension talks with Kessler first as that's coming this summer...Ideally, he comes in under $15m - but that's iffy- he's limited in some things, but elite in rebounding & blocks, so maybe $20m

AT that point, I'm just looking to offload Isaac and have WCJ backup 4 and 5, along with Moe...maybe wait until TD for Isaac, so we know Moe is ok. Including Moe, instead of Goga, as an expiring or even just declining Moe's option has to at least be considered, but Moe is important. Ideally, Isaac's salary is the match that brings in a better PG - even if a reserve. I'm not sure who can spare a decent PG but that's another post. I'm psyched to add Sexton, but I'd still like to have more of a pure playmaker to mix in...a better, hopefully bigger, younger CoJo.

[tiderulz]

Just make sure Cole, WCJ and KCP are off this roster to start next year. If we have to add picks to them, so be it. They actively hurt us. It would just be addition by subtraction if they left. Didnt add Houstan and Harris cos they're a no brainer to not get their options picked up.....right? Weltman has completely whiffed what was a layup to build this team around Franz and Paolo. Its a massive up hill battle now

Cole has to go for sure, he ll be trade along a frp for a guy like sexton

But I don't understand why people want to trade wcj. Why? He is on a fair contract and fit how r team is built

Can Switch on D
Can stretch the floor (he had a bad shooting season but history says that he can spread the floor)

WCJ is on a fair contract now, not sure his play is $20mil/yr

[Skybox]

I'd love to move up to get Maluach as our Center of the future, but that's probably a very costly leap from #16. Whoever might be in range to draft him, however, might have an incumbent we could trade for.

Some mocks have TOR drafting Maluach...would Poeltl make sense for us?

7' 260' 29yo making $19.5 next season with a player option for another $19.5m...averaging 14.5ppg and 9.6rpg ( 3.3 offensive!) in 29.6 mpg. Doesn't shoot 3's but hits on 63% from the field every year. 1.2 bpg, which is just about his career avg...I think he's known as a good defender and high BBIQ in general ("plays the right way" etc)...Poeltl doesn't look like Maluach, but might end up with similar stats impact without really leaving the ground.

ORL sends: KCP ($21.6m), Isaac (15m), Goga (8.3), ORL 26 frp (or #25 if that's enough)
TOR sends: RJ Barrett ( $27.7m), Poeltl (19.5m)
Why TOR: Goga holds it down while Maluach ramps up, KCP adds toughness to young backcourt, Isaac brings part-time defensive versatility. TOR gets off of two expensive deals, one for a rookie replacement and Barrett because his offense isn't really needed as much with Ingram in-house.

Why ORL: Poeltl is a significantly better fit at starting C. He's smart, skilled, big and tough. On ORL, he might avg. 12 rpg. He could also platoon with WCJ and even play with WCJ at PF at times. A big man combo of Poeltl, WCJ, Moe and Paolo would be much more versatile than our present setup. Barrett is basically a younger (24yo) Demar Derozan...he has flaws, but he is a very consistent scorer with underrated playmaking (5.4 apg). His 3pt shooting has been a question his whole career, but it's not like he's incapable...this year, he's at 35% on 5.3 attempts. This doesn't solve our PG issue, but both are clear upgrades offensively without breaking the bank or clearing out our pick stash. Find minutes for Barrett all over the lineup...expensive bench player, but we could suddenly have the best bench in the NBA with WCJ, Moe, Barrett, AB, TdS...Cole is expiring, maybe send him to BRK for DLo to save some cap (instead of using MLE) and let BRK give homeboy a look. Maybe, in that case, start Suggs at PG with Barrett at SG, knowing we have a real PG coming off the bench...Suggs is still a marginal PG, if that, but ORL is built to play without one - just not nearly as much as we do now. Many potential lineup variations. Pretty costly bench but, perhaps, best in the league and we've unloaded KCP, Isaac, Goga's combined $45m.

Poeltl, Moe, WCJ
Paolo, WCJ, Moe
Franz, Barrett, TdS
Barrett, DeAngelo Russell, Houstan
Suggs, AB,

Draft BPA at #16 and adjust marginal guys to fit...McNeeley, Demin, Sorber, Traore, Murray-Boyles whoever slides?

[basketballRob]

I'd love to move up to get Maluach as our Center of the future, but that's probably a very costly leap from #16. Whoever might be in range to draft him, however, might have an incumbent we could trade for.

Some mocks have TOR drafting Maluach...would Poeltl make sense for us?

7' 260' 29yo making $19.5 next season with a player option for another $19.5m...averaging 14.5ppg and 9.6rpg ( 3.3 offensive!) in 29.6 mpg. Doesn't shoot 3's but hits on 63% from the field every year. 1.2 bpg, which is just about his career avg...I think he's known as a good defender and high BBIQ in general ("plays the right way" etc)...Poeltl doesn't look like Maluach, but might end up with similar stats impact without really leaving the ground.

ORL sends: KCP ($21.6m), Isaac (15m), Goga (8.3), ORL 26 frp (or #25 if that's enough)
TOR sends: RJ Barrett ( $27.7m), Poeltl (19.5m)
Why TOR: Goga holds it down while Maluach ramps up, KCP adds toughness to young backcourt, Isaac brings part-time defensive versatility. TOR gets off of two expensive deals, one for a rookie replacement and Barrett because his offense isn't really needed as much with Ingram in-house.

Why ORL: Poeltl is a significantly better fit at starting C. He's smart, skilled, big and tough. On ORL, he might avg. 12 rpg. He could also platoon with WCJ and even play with WCJ at PF at times. A big man combo of Poeltl, WCJ, Moe and Paolo would be much more versatile than our present setup. Barrett is basically a younger (24yo) Demar Derozan...he has flaws, but he is a very consistent scorer with underrated playmaking (5.4 apg). His 3pt shooting has been a question his whole career, but it's not like he's incapable...this year, he's at 35% on 5.3 attempts. This doesn't solve our PG issue, but both are clear upgrades offensively without breaking the bank or clearing out our pick stash. Find minutes for Barrett all over the lineup...expensive bench player, but we could suddenly have the best bench in the NBA with WCJ, Moe, Barrett, AB, TdS...Cole is expiring, maybe send him to BRK for DLo to save some cap (instead of using MLE) and let BRK give homeboy a look. Maybe, in that case, start Suggs at PG with Barrett at SG, knowing we have a real PG coming off the bench...Suggs is still a marginal PG, if that, but ORL is built to play without one - just not nearly as much as we do now. Many potential lineup variations. Pretty costly bench but, perhaps, best in the league and we've unloaded KCP, Isaac, Goga's combined $45m.

Poeltl, Moe, WCJ
Paolo, WCJ, Moe
Franz, Barrett, TdS
Barrett, DeAngelo Russell, Houstan
Suggs, AB,

Draft BPA at #16 and adjust marginal guys to fit...McNeeley, Demin, Sorber, Traore, Murray-Boyles whoever slides?

I like Portl, but I'm not really a fan of Barrett. I like Cam Johnson, Portis, and Beasley.

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[VFX]

Carter isn’t a great rebounder, an elite rim protector, setting huge screens on the perimeter, or matching up well with most guys taller than him.

He scores inside well enough, can guard two positions, and takes 2.3 3 attempts per game on sub .300 %.

You can also count on him to make 3-4 stupid lackadaisical bone headed decisions a game.

Not sure why people talk about this guy like he’s prime Brad Miller or Mehmet Okur to justify the fact that he’s the best fit next to Paolo. Hes not. He’s the starter because he’s the most average in all statistics compared to the rest of Orlando’s Centers and Mosely loves him like he’s his son for some reason.

Magic can find better. Not sure why he’s still discussed as a good fit.

[OrlandoDream]

Carter isn’t, a great rebounder, an elite rim protector, setting huge screens on the perimeter, or matching up well with most guys taller than him.

He scores inside well enough, can guard two positions, and takes 2.3 3 attempts per game on sub .300 %.

You can also count on him to make 3-4 stupid lackadaisical bone headed decisions a game.

Not sure why people talk about this guy like he’s prime Brad Miller or Mehmet Okur to justify the fact that he’s the best fit next to Paolo. Hes not. He’s the starter because he’s the most average in all statistics compared to the rest of Orlando’s Centers and Mosely loves him like he’s his son for some reason.

Magic can find better. Not sure why he’s still discussed as a good fit.

As much as I would like to upgrade at C, we have other major needs to address before replacing Wendell. We have to address this guard situation before anything else. Its starts and ends with improving our backcourt right now. Unless some miraculous trade comes out of nowhere, I expect Wendell back next year.

[VFX]

Carter isn’t, a great rebounder, an elite rim protector, setting huge screens on the perimeter, or matching up well with most guys taller than him.

He scores inside well enough, can guard two positions, and takes 2.3 3 attempts per game on sub .300 %.

You can also count on him to make 3-4 stupid lackadaisical bone headed decisions a game.

Not sure why people talk about this guy like he’s prime Brad Miller or Mehmet Okur to justify the fact that he’s the best fit next to Paolo. Hes not. He’s the starter because he’s the most average in all statistics compared to the rest of Orlando’s Centers and Mosely loves him like he’s his son for some reason.

Magic can find better. Not sure why he’s still discussed as a good fit.

As much as I would like to upgrade at C, we have other major needs to address before replacing Wendell. We have to address this guard situation before anything else. Its starts and ends with improving our backcourt right now. Unless some miraculous trade comes out of nowhere, I expect Wendell back next year.

I don’t necessarily disagree at all.

The idea is that Orlando has 3 backup Centers and can go without one of them in a trade. They also have two draft picks in a relatively heavy Center draft.

They don’t have many other assets to utilize outside of Cole, Carter/Goga, KCP, and the smallest possibility of moving AB. I’m saying the value just isn’t there if you take a lot off the table to match salary for one of these back court guys they desperately need.

Weltman should be able to address multiple issues.

[OrlandoDream]

Carter isn’t, a great rebounder, an elite rim protector, setting huge screens on the perimeter, or matching up well with most guys taller than him.

He scores inside well enough, can guard two positions, and takes 2.3 3 attempts per game on sub .300 %.

You can also count on him to make 3-4 stupid lackadaisical bone headed decisions a game.

Not sure why people talk about this guy like he’s prime Brad Miller or Mehmet Okur to justify the fact that he’s the best fit next to Paolo. Hes not. He’s the starter because he’s the most average in all statistics compared to the rest of Orlando’s Centers and Mosely loves him like he’s his son for some reason.

Magic can find better. Not sure why he’s still discussed as a good fit.

As much as I would like to upgrade at C, we have other major needs to address before replacing Wendell. We have to address this guard situation before anything else. Its starts and ends with improving our backcourt right now. Unless some miraculous trade comes out of nowhere, I expect Wendell back next year.

I don’t necessarily disagree at all.

The idea is that Orlando has 3 backup Centers and can go without one of them in a trade. They also have two draft picks in a relatively heavy Center draft.

They don’t have many other assets to utilize outside of Cole, Carter/Goga, KCP, and the smallest possibility of moving AB. I’m saying the value just isn’t there if you take a lot off the table to match salary for one of these back court guys they desperately need.

Weltman should be able to address multiple issues.

I don't see AB as safe as most fans think. If he is the piece Chicago wants for Coby White, then you ship him out. He has shown spurts but nothing to consider not hesitating to trade him.

The JI regression has been a big wrench in the engine. I don't think any of us expected him to go down in quality this much after looking like such an important piece last year in the playoffs. HIs value is at an all time low where it might be best to hold on to him. Goga and Wendell have showcased moments this year so they prob hold more value around the league.

From the bigs, the spare guards and picks we have a lot of different directions to go this offseason. Time for Weltman to show off his experience and connections in the NBA. For the first time in his tenure here, he is now expected to make moves.

[basketballRob]

As much as I would like to upgrade at C, we have other major needs to address before replacing Wendell. We have to address this guard situation before anything else. Its starts and ends with improving our backcourt right now. Unless some miraculous trade comes out of nowhere, I expect Wendell back next year.

I don’t necessarily disagree at all.

The idea is that Orlando has 3 backup Centers and can go without one of them in a trade. They also have two draft picks in a relatively heavy Center draft.

They don’t have many other assets to utilize outside of Cole, Carter/Goga, KCP, and the smallest possibility of moving AB. I’m saying the value just isn’t there if you take a lot off the table to match salary for one of these back court guys they desperately need.

Weltman should be able to address multiple issues.

I don't see AB as safe as most fans think. If he is the piece Chicago wants for Coby White, then you ship him out. He has shown spurts but nothing to consider not hesitating to trade him.

The JI regression has been a big wrench in the engine. I don't think any of us expected him to go down in quality this much after looking like such an important piece last year in the playoffs. HIs value is at an all time low where it might be best to hold on to him. Goga and Wendell have showcased moments this year so they prob hold more value around the league.

From the bigs, the spare guards and picks we have a lot of different directions to go this offseason. Time for Weltman to show off his experience and connections in the NBA. For the first time in his tenure here, he is now expected to make moves.

I think Black will be slightly better than White, but for the next couple of seasons White will be better. White is similar to Cole.

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[cedric76]

As much as I would like to upgrade at C, we have other major needs to address before replacing Wendell. We have to address this guard situation before anything else. Its starts and ends with improving our backcourt right now. Unless some miraculous trade comes out of nowhere, I expect Wendell back next year.

I don’t necessarily disagree at all.

The idea is that Orlando has 3 backup Centers and can go without one of them in a trade. They also have two draft picks in a relatively heavy Center draft.

They don’t have many other assets to utilize outside of Cole, Carter/Goga, KCP, and the smallest possibility of moving AB. I’m saying the value just isn’t there if you take a lot off the table to match salary for one of these back court guys they desperately need.

Weltman should be able to address multiple issues.

I don't see AB as safe as most fans think. If he is the piece Chicago wants for Coby White, then you ship him out. He has shown spurts but nothing to consider not hesitating to trade him.

The JI regression has been a big wrench in the engine. I don't think any of us expected him to go down in quality this much after looking like such an important piece last year in the playoffs. HIs value is at an all time low where it might be best to hold on to him. Goga and Wendell have showcased moments this year so they prob hold more value around the league.

From the bigs, the spare guards and picks we have a lot of different directions to go this offseason. Time for Weltman to show off his experience and connections in the NBA. For the first time in his tenure here, he is now expected to make moves.

We trade for White then we can t resign him next season.
The maximum extension we could offer must start at 140 percent of the final year of White's current contract. With him making $12.8 million next season, this means we would have to present him with something that is right under the $18.0 million a year range which will be FAR less that what he could get on the open market (many teams will have cap money to spent that summer)?

So trading for white would be VEry short sighted
This is why my target is colin Sexton

[jonbob17]

Nico is not going to tear things down this summer. He has to see this thing through with AD and Kyrie at this point. Once they fail next year, Nico likely gets fired and Kyrie will look for greener pastures.

Kyrie tore is ACL on March 3rd. Even if he is able to play by January 1 how many games is Dallas out of the 8th seed by that point. I get your point, you can't really blow it up 4 months after you traded Luka Doncic. But I'd hate to completely waste a season when my two best players are 33, and one is a pending free agent.

Another option that might make sense if if somebody interesting did become available and Dallas did not want to waste this season and have to pay Kyrie next summer. What if they built around Trae, AD. Magic picks sent to Atlanta, and players headed to Dallas. I suppose this could be anybody they would rather pair AD with and is somewhat available.

[jonbob17]

Carter isn’t a great rebounder, an elite rim protector, setting huge screens on the perimeter, or matching up well with most guys taller than him.

He scores inside well enough, can guard two positions, and takes 2.3 3 attempts per game on sub .300 %.

You can also count on him to make 3-4 stupid lackadaisical bone headed decisions a game.

Not sure why people talk about this guy like he’s prime Brad Miller or Mehmet Okur to justify the fact that he’s the best fit next to Paolo. Hes not. He’s the starter because he’s the most average in all statistics compared to the rest of Orlando’s Centers and Mosely loves him like he’s his son for some reason.

Magic can find better. Not sure why he’s still discussed as a good fit.

Not really all that available either, 68 games this year being a career high.

[Skybox]

Carter isn’t, a great rebounder, an elite rim protector, setting huge screens on the perimeter, or matching up well with most guys taller than him.

He scores inside well enough, can guard two positions, and takes 2.3 3 attempts per game on sub .300 %.

You can also count on him to make 3-4 stupid lackadaisical bone headed decisions a game.

Not sure why people talk about this guy like he’s prime Brad Miller or Mehmet Okur to justify the fact that he’s the best fit next to Paolo. Hes not. He’s the starter because he’s the most average in all statistics compared to the rest of Orlando’s Centers and Mosely loves him like he’s his son for some reason.

Magic can find better. Not sure why he’s still discussed as a good fit.

As much as I would like to upgrade at C, we have other major needs to address before replacing Wendell. We have to address this guard situation before anything else. Its starts and ends with improving our backcourt right now. Unless some miraculous trade comes out of nowhere, I expect Wendell back next year.

If his million dollar brain can't ponder two or more positions at once...yet another reason to ax him. No reason in the world why we can't address two positions at once...in whatever order the cap and opportunities present themselves. Ideally, we can find a trade that addresses both, like...
Kessler/Sexton
McCollum/Missi (if NOLA ended up with Maluach draft)
Poeltl/Quickley
Maluach pick/Coby White
Claxton/DLo
etc

These arent' necessarily realistic, but worth exploring first...especially if we're sending out guaranteed salaries.

IF I could only do one thing - definitely backcourt

[basketballRob]

Carter isn’t, a great rebounder, an elite rim protector, setting huge screens on the perimeter, or matching up well with most guys taller than him.

He scores inside well enough, can guard two positions, and takes 2.3 3 attempts per game on sub .300 %.

You can also count on him to make 3-4 stupid lackadaisical bone headed decisions a game.

Not sure why people talk about this guy like he’s prime Brad Miller or Mehmet Okur to justify the fact that he’s the best fit next to Paolo. Hes not. He’s the starter because he’s the most average in all statistics compared to the rest of Orlando’s Centers and Mosely loves him like he’s his son for some reason.

Magic can find better. Not sure why he’s still discussed as a good fit.

As much as I would like to upgrade at C, we have other major needs to address before replacing Wendell. We have to address this guard situation before anything else. Its starts and ends with improving our backcourt right now. Unless some miraculous trade comes out of nowhere, I expect Wendell back next year.

If his million dollar brain can't ponder two or more positions at once...yet another reason to ax him. No reason in the world why we can't address two positions at once...in whatever order the cap and opportunities present themselves. Ideally, we can find a trade that addresses both, like...
Kessler/Sexton
McCollum/Missi (if NOLA ended up with Maluach draft)
Poeltl/Quickley
Maluach pick/Coby White
Claxton/DLo
etc

These arent' necessarily realistic, but worth exploring first...especially if we're sending out guaranteed salaries.

IF I could only do one thing - definitely backcourt

I have the feeling that Mccollum still has 3-4 years in him. His brother is putting up great stats in Europe. He's 37

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/errick-mccollum-1.html