Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

To me this indicates Horst is willing to be a good boy to provide cover for Doc's/the owner's continued mistakes, like the Midd/AJJ for Kuz trade. Because if Horst did that independently, he wouldn't be extended. And if he dissented, he wouldn't extend. This is a bad omen.

Horst isnt a horrible GM but he is really good at saving his job. The Jrue trades, midds extension, Brook extension, Dame trade were all the simplest path to try to keep this team a contender while he was GM. None of it was high-level thinking that anyone here couldn't have done. But now we have zero future assets, in salary cap hell and low ceiling.

[MickeyDavis]

We make a lot of assumptions here - we have to because we really have no idea, it's all speculation. But I'd love to know the actual dynamics of the moves we've made post championship.

But at the end of the day the best move we can make is to fire Doc into the sun. We've had major injuries the past 3 years in the playoffs. We don't have that excuse/reason this year.

[Bernman]

I'd also infer we're not rebuilding, cuz you wouldn't want Horst to scout. What he seems to have control over is the draft & negotiations, both which he's bad at. Don't have a decent pick. I'd guess we ride the Dame asset into the ground. But even if we moved him, Horst would get a bad deal.

The 1 thing he/they do well in Milwaukee is FA, ironically. At least we don't have just vet mins. Are we actually going to lure Naz Reid on the MLE to start here & KPJ on another exception? If not this could be rough. And it may well be unsatisfactory either way.

[bucksfansince88]

The meddling owners still dont absolve him from having an horrible eye for talent and the lack of ability to develop drafter players

[Iheartfootball]

We make a lot of assumptions here - we have to because we really have no idea, it's all speculation. But I'd love to know the actual dynamics of the moves we've made post championship.

But at the end of the day the best move we can make is to fire Doc into the sun. We've had major injuries the past 3 years in the playoffs. We don't have that excuse/reason this year.

Better chance of Doc getting fired under a new GM than retaining the current one.

[Thunder Muscle]

Horst is a good GM. Don’t be too sure that we wouldn’t mess up his replacement like we messed up the head coach hire. I’m happy he got his extension.

I really don't think he's been good. We have already covered his draft picks. We have acquired the following players in the draft under Horst:

DJ Wilson
DDV
Nwora
Beauchamp
Livingston
Johnson
Smith

Wilson and Beauchamp were two of the worst picks in their respective drafts. DDV was a great pick for who was traded for 78 year-old Serge Ibaka. I liked Johnson, but again, he was included in an awful trade.

He did make three trades to upgrade our PG's, which worked out to various degrees. However, we did empty our draft chest to do this.

Hiring Grief and Doc were both terrible moves. Landing Kuzma was a terrible move.

Horst walked into this prime GA and prime Middleton. Since 2017, he added zero long-term pieces via the draft. His major player acquisitions were made by trading multiple first round picks.

I just don't see it. We need a great talent evaluator here.

This. I can’t summarize my thoughts any better than what is laid out here.

[MickeyDavis]

To me this indicates Horst is willing to be a good boy to provide cover for Doc's/the owner's continued mistakes, like the Midd/AJJ for Kuz trade. Because if Horst did that independently, he wouldn't be extended. And if he dissented, he wouldn't extend. This is a bad omen.

Horst isnt a horrible GM but he is really good at saving his job. The Jrue trades, midds extension, Brook extension, Dame trade were all the simplest path to try to keep this team a contender while he was GM. None of it was high-level thinking that anyone here couldn't have done. But now we have zero future assets, in salary cap hell and low ceiling.

All of which would have made it hard to attract a top notch replacement. So we were stuck for the most part.

[MickeyDavis]

We make a lot of assumptions here - we have to because we really have no idea, it's all speculation. But I'd love to know the actual dynamics of the moves we've made post championship.

But at the end of the day the best move we can make is to fire Doc into the sun. We've had major injuries the past 3 years in the playoffs. We don't have that excuse/reason this year.

Better chance of Doc getting fired under a new GM than retaining the current one.

Most likely. We'll see. We could know as early as next week.

[Be Here Now]

This is extremely bad news. The person who has signed off on every bad move that led us to our current position is now here for the foreseeable future. Very likely this is going to be the man making sure we get a haul in Giannis trade. Horrific.

[SupremeHustle]

Disappointed. Not surprised.

[dedned]

This is extremely bad news. The person who has signed off on every bad move that led us to our current position is now here for the foreseeable future. Very likely this is going to be the man making sure we get a haul in Giannis trade. Horrific.

Honestly doesn't matter what we get in a Giannis trade. I won't be around to care.

[Iheartfootball]

We make a lot of assumptions here - we have to because we really have no idea, it's all speculation. But I'd love to know the actual dynamics of the moves we've made post championship.

But at the end of the day the best move we can make is to fire Doc into the sun. We've had major injuries the past 3 years in the playoffs. We don't have that excuse/reason this year.

Better chance of Doc getting fired under a new GM than retaining the current one.

Most likely. We'll see. We could know as early as next week.

If Doc gets fired soon, especially in the offseason, it’s a strong indicator that Horst has gained more control. That would signal a shift in the power dynamic, especially if the hire that follows aligns with a coherent long-term vision (player development, sustainable systems, not just appeasement).

If Doc stays? Two likely readings:

1) Ownership is still steering, especially given how fast Doc was hired midseason, which felt more like a panic move than a GM-led process.

2) Horst is aligned with Doc, which might mean continuity wins out over course correction.

So as fans, we’re left hoping that:

Autonomy is real.

That autonomy leads to smart, strategic choices.

And that the roster, cap situation, and internal culture are actually in a place where any of it can work.

If not? I'd say less than 50/50 that this turns into anything sustainable.

[BUCKnation]

Fine with this.

[James1980]

Horst extended, you can't make this stuff up

[fansinceforever]

All these FOs and coaches getting ****, we're over here with a top 2 player in the league and the 5 seed in the East, down 0-2 in the first round and EXTENDING leadership?

It's so unserious I can't even believe it.

[Ron Swanson]

This becomes a palatable scenario for me if Doc is fired as soon as the season clock hits zero, and it becomes the absolute worst case scenario for all of us if Doc is retained. Buckle up for the next couple weeks guys....

[German Athens]

My new cope will be that AJ Green, Rollins, KPJ, and Sims have all been nice moves on the perimeter of the roster that have shown an ability to identify talent, but we need a core shakeup to get us into a better position for those other moves to tip the scale.

[Rstuedes24]

Horst wanted Atkinson. If he got to pick the coach, we would likely be in a better position than we are now. Get rid of Doc and I have a reasonable amount of trust Horst could get us a better coach.
He's got some flaws as a GM but I think with all things considered we could have much worse

[Siefer]

I had a lot of faith in the FO until the Middleton trade, which was so bad it threw every other decision into question. Did he pitch some 8 dimensional offseason plan that required getting under the 2nd apron, or does ownership just appreciate that he's willing to ride in the trunk?

I was wobbling after how confused we've looked on coaching over the last 2+ years. Punting Bud how we did, the process that landed on Griffin through the misgivings of the FO, Stotts leaving, panic-hiring Doc. But yeah the Middleton trade broke me. Maybe Horst has some wild plan I can't see (and it's worth sacrificing both floor and ceiling this year), but it looks like a clear and catastrophic **** up. Even given his physical fade, we traded one of our few adults, a perfect stylistic fit, and the best friend of our superstar, along with our 1st round pick rookie, for a oafish PF who can't shoot and is on a longer deal. I hesitate to add this insult to injury, but it also catered to the worst impulses of our coach.

The alternative situation is worse still - that our ownership is hopeless meddlesome.

[Ryan5UW]

I feel worse about this than I do the first two playoff games. At least I had some hope that losing this series would blow things up. Now we've just reupped for more of the same terrible mismanagement. Without knowing all the behind the scenes conversations, I genuinely cannot understand how someone making decisions can look at the direction things have been going and say "I want more of that!" There's no chance this leads to a change in philosophy, which is what this organization needs in the worse way. Yes, coaching has been terrible, but the roster mismanagement has been borderline criminal.