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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#441 » by Neeva » Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:42 pm

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Neeva wrote:Penda definitely looks like a Connelly pick, but so does Beringer. 31 seems too high for Penda though, his shooting looks rough. Beringer is bouncy with crazy length, I hope he drops to 31.

Players I definitely do not want, Traore (can’t shoot), Will Riley (no burst,annoying),Wolf(slow), Richardson (small and average athlete ) Murray Boyles( weak and undersized), Clifford (undersized)

I'd argue the opposite.

The only true "raw" or "unskilled" athlete prospect Connelly has taken, at least with us, was Minott. Although even he had flashes of feel that you don't often see in guys like that. Miller was a guard before a growth spurt so you can see the skill even if he still looks like a baby deer on skates. Everyone else is either an older prospect (Moore Jr, Kessler, Clarke, TSJ, could even include Newton here) or clearly skilled (Dillingham).

Penda and Beringer don't fit that mold.


I meant as far as defensive potential, Rob really is the only bad defender/bad defensive potential player that he has drafted.
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#442 » by Klomp » Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:48 pm

This might be a strange question, but is confidence/exuberance a big draw for Connelly?

I'm just going back in his time here....Dillingham, Shannon, Clark, Miller, Minott are all guys who seem to be very confident in their games, with a natural exuberance that is somewhat reminiscent of how Ant carries himself. Many of the vets he has added are the same way. People always talk about how teams pick up the identity of their leader. I wonder if that's something that can be scouted and targeted?
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Post#443 » by minimus » Wed Apr 23, 2025 5:25 am

Klomp wrote:Rasheer Fleming is super intriguing to me


From what I heard he is a definition of pure stretch four, with little ball skills.
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#444 » by minimus » Wed Apr 23, 2025 7:49 am

Neeva wrote:Penda definitely looks like a Connelly pick, but so does Beringer. 31 seems too high for Penda though, his shooting looks rough. Beringer is bouncy with crazy length, I hope he drops to 31.(undersized)


Does Beringer have ball skills other than good mobility and length? Passing, shooting? My lazy comparison for him is young Joakim Noah. He looks promising as rebounder and rim runner. I would take him as Gobert protégé and wont put much pressure on him. He is 18yo, and needs to put good 15-20lbs of muscle.

The question is: would you take him with 17th pick? He seems to be a hot name now, here he goes with 12th pick to SAS

12. San Antonio Spurs (via Atlanta), Joan Beringer, C, Cedevita Olimpija (France)


https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/43781826/2025-nba-mock-draft-predictions-team-intel-all-59-first-second-round-picks-players

P.S. I never considered Beringer as draft candidate, but in big picture there is a group of bigman who makes sense for MIN:

- Thomas Sorber
- Danny Wolf
- Joan Beringer
- Rasheer Fleming
- Maxime Raynaud
- Ryan Kalkbrenner
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#445 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 24, 2025 6:21 pm

What's the targeted statistic to improve this offseason? I think it might be rebounding at this point. We were middle of the pack at best, and probably in the lower half of the playoff teams in rebounding this season. The team took a sharp step back, and Gobert is only getting older.
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Post#446 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 24, 2025 7:48 pm

Any interest in Ryan Kalkbrenner?
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#447 » by minimus » Thu Apr 24, 2025 8:34 pm

Klomp wrote:What's the targeted statistic to improve this offseason? I think it might be rebounding at this point. We were middle of the pack at best, and probably in the lower half of the playoff teams in rebounding this season. The team took a sharp step back, and Gobert is only getting older.


I think this comes down to a combination of a few things:
- Size at the C | PF | SF positions — including backups
- Defensive and offensive schemes
- Commitment — team culture around effort, boxouts, 50/50 balls, hard fouls

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MIN is not an undersized team. But the roster has some rough edges, and those flaws show up in mediocre rebounding numbers.
- Edwards, Reid, and Randle are not the most disciplined rebounders — they rarely box out and often lose their man
- There’s no real backup center
- Gobert doesn’t have great hands and lacks the quickness to fight for 50/50 balls
- McDaniels weighs under 200 lbs, which is less than ideal for a wing — especially when guys like LeBron and Doncic are 40–45 lbs heavier

Since this is a draft thread, let’s say TC lands two rookies who’ve already shown strong rebounding instincts, toughness, some playmaking and shooting, and the maturity to contribute:
- Nique Clifford
- Yaxel Lendeborg

Would these two improve MIN’s rebounding?
That’s a tricky question — but adding two high-motor, high-effort players should at least raise the team’s competitive level. Watching this series against LAL, here’s how I see it:

Would Clifford get minutes?
Yes — if he can replicate his college 38% from three in the NBA and play high-effort, mistake-free basketball. He could slot in as a physical 2/3 wing, something this team lacks off the bench.

Would Lendeborg get minutes?
Yes — if he can stay in front of LeBron, switch effectively, and crash the boards against LAL’s small-ball lineups. His versatility and rebounding could earn him a role even without much scoring.

If MIN wants to improve its rebounding and physicality without sacrificing spacing and defensive switching, guys like Clifford and Lendeborg make a ton of sense. They may not be lottery picks, but they bring skills that fill actual needs, not just upside bets.
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#448 » by Guidus88 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 1:11 pm

Would you trade up to draft Maluach? Most mock draft have him going at n. 7th
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#449 » by shangrila » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:05 am

Guidus88 wrote:Would you trade up to draft Maluach? Most mock draft have him going at n. 7th

It depends on the cost. I wouldn't give up too much, which is probably not enough to get him.
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Post#450 » by minimus » Sat Apr 26, 2025 10:40 am

shangrila wrote:
Guidus88 wrote:Would you trade up to draft Maluach? Most mock draft have him going at n. 7th

It depends on the cost. I wouldn't give up too much, which is probably not enough to get him.


This. Also I dont like Maluach lack of playmaking skills. I want to see what MIN can run in offense with a bigman who can catch passes, finish around the rim and pass.
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#451 » by Neeva » Sat Apr 26, 2025 11:05 am

Guidus88 wrote:Would you trade up to draft Maluach? Most mock draft have him going at n. 7th


I wouldn’t. He might be a future starting center in the league but I don’t really see “star” potential ,he is very limited at play making and I doubt his defense will ever be Rudy level .

I think if wolves stay at 17 they should just take whoever is left of Carter Bryant, Noa Essengue,Derik Queen, or Asa Newell, I think one of them will be there at
17 and while I don’t see any of them as huge stars either they will also be future starters like Maluach
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#452 » by wolves_89 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:36 pm

Guidus88 wrote:Would you trade up to draft Maluach? Most mock draft have him going at n. 7th


No, I think the Wolves move away from the Rudy Gobert center archetype as Ant enters his prime.
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#453 » by Mattya » Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:53 pm

I don’t view Maluach as a Rudy archetype, but I also think he is going to be very average.

I would much rather draft Zikarsky in the second round and hope he overperforms his draft spot.
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#454 » by Guidus88 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 6:44 am

Mattya wrote:I don’t view Maluach as a Rudy archetype, but I also think he is going to be very average.

I would much rather draft Zikarsky in the second round and hope he overperforms his draft spot.
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Guidus88 wrote:Would you trade up to draft Maluach? Most mock draft have him going at n. 7th


I wouldn’t. He might be a future starting center in the league but I don’t really see “star” potential ,he is very limited at play making and I doubt his defense will ever be Rudy level .

I think if wolves stay at 17 they should just take whoever is left of Carter Bryant, Noa Essengue,Derik Queen, or Asa Newell, I think one of them will be there at
17 and while I don’t see any of them as huge stars either they will also be future starters like Maluach
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Guidus88 wrote:Would you trade up to draft Maluach? Most mock draft have him going at n. 7th

It depends on the cost. I wouldn't give up too much, which is probably not enough to get him.


This. Also I dont like Maluach lack of playmaking skills. I want to see what MIN can run in offense with a bigman who can catch passes, finish around the rim and pass.
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Guidus88 wrote:Would you trade up to draft Maluach? Most mock draft have him going at n. 7th

It depends on the cost. I wouldn't give up too much, which is probably not enough to get him.


Got it.

Thx guys!
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#455 » by minimus » Sun Apr 27, 2025 7:25 pm

If MIN keeps Reid and adds another offensive-minded big like Danny Wolf, then I truly believe TC should draft Nique Clifford.

I think Clifford has enough shooting to survive playing next to Gobert, but next to guys like Danny Wolf and Reid, he could truly shine. It’s because in those kinds of lineups, teams tend to invert roles — just look at Josh Hart, who has crazy rebounding numbers (9.6 RPG) playing next to Towns. When NYK use a high-wall defensive system where Towns is often out of rebounding position, and Hart take advantage.

Or take Jrue Holiday defending bigs, and Derrick White averaging over one block per game in the last two seasons.
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Even in MIN right now, we see DDV going crazy with weakside blocks.
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So yeah — sign me up for Nique Clifford and Danny Wolf.

Another underrated aspect of having dynamic, high-effort rebounding guards and wings is what it does for your transition offense.
When your guard or wing gets a rebound or a steal, it’s much easier for the entire team to run.

Same thing happens with Josh Hart:
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And the same thing we see now with DDV (who is constantly trying to push the tempo after grabbing boards):
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The only thing that limits DDV is that he’s a mediocre finisher at the rim. If Nique Clifford proves to be a better finisher, then MIN’s transition offense could improve tremendously. Imagine TJ, Clifford, and DDV all sprinting in transition — that would give us a totally new dimension.
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#456 » by minimus » Sun Apr 27, 2025 11:52 pm

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Donte has five steals today, in such low paced game. Imagine having another player like him in rotation: this dude might be the shortest on the floor but out hustles anyone. Nique Clifford?
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Post#457 » by Neeva » Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:28 am

I am warming up to Clifford but these older undersized forwards that rebound very well in ncaa but are like 6’5ish built archetypes NEVER seem to work out in the nba. Tyler Bey, David Roddy, etc but maybe Clifford has some Jalen Williams in him and shows more guard skills in the league.

If all the players I like are gone by 17 I really think Connelly should trade down.. I know adding more young players to the roster will make it really crowded but the way I see it three chances of hitting it BIG are better than two. In this particular draft you never know who will be a future all star, it could easily be guys picked in the 20’s and in the second round.
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#458 » by Klomp » Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:32 am

Neeva wrote:I am warming up to Clifford but these older undersized forwards that rebound very well in ncaa but are like 6’5ish built archetypes NEVER seem to work out in the nba. Tyler Bey, David Roddy, etc but maybe Clifford has some Jalen Williams in him and shows more guard skills in the league.

He's not an "undersized forward", that's your first misevaluation. He's no Craig Smith.
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#459 » by minimus » Mon Apr 28, 2025 6:37 am

Another guy who I view in the same category as Nique Clifford is Yaxel Lendeborg: high IQ, high effort, well rounded skillset.

P.S. The only archetype that I struggle to identify in these draft is rim runner, Maluach and Beringer are kind of this type of players, but I am not impress. Mouhamed Faye is athletic but very raw...
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Re: The Official Detroit Piston Fan Thread (and 2025 Draft talk) 

Post#460 » by minimus » Tue Apr 29, 2025 7:36 am

Back to the small-ball / five-out topic.

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BlacJacMac wrote:Hmm. Where else have I seen that 5-man lineup?
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One thing that is absolutely necessary for an elite five-out offense is having wings and guards who can finish at the rim, because in an inverted offensive scheme:
- a big man can always hit cutters with a pass
- wings and guards often set screens in pick-and-roll actions, meaning they can slip and roll to the basket
- there’s a high probability you run in transition right after a teammate grabs a defensive rebound

I feel like Josh Hart is a perfect example of such a player (aside from his inconsistent 3PT shot). He maximizes Towns’ presence and fills critical needs within their five-out scheme.

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Here are half-court rim frequency and FG% stats of some 2025 NBA Draft guards and wings (pulled from Reddit):

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Two players who immediately stood out to me are Nique Clifford and Carter Bryant with their elite FG% numbers in the halfcourt. It’s not the same as pure “rim finishing” numbers, but I feel like this skill should translate well to the NBA level. At this point, I dare myself to say — I’m fully convinced TC should take Nique Clifford or Carter Bryant with the 17th pick.

P.S. Can Carter Bryant’s low frequency be explained by his specific offensive role?

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