Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[RiotPunch]

Horst Extended...

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What the actual ****, man.

I get that this is more about keeping Giannis comfortable than anything else, but what does it matter if we don't have someone at the top to navigate us out of this mess? It's not Horst, seeing as he only has one 1st round pick bullet left to fire off.

I mean, I hope this at least means Doc is gone and that Jon gets to handpick his guy without owner interference... but that's a pretty big hope, IMO.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't think it's some big hope. Say what you want about him, but Horst is batting 1.000 on coaching hires right now if ownership signed off on Atkinson. I trust him to get that part right. The draft? Trades? Everything besides contract negotiations and vet minimum signings? Yeah, not so much.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

My new cope will be that AJ Green, Rollins, KPJ, and Sims have all been nice moves on the perimeter of the roster that have shown an ability to identify talent, but we need a core shakeup to get us into a better position for those other moves to tip the scale.

if those 4 guys had been our draft picks at the back of the first round the last 4 years wed all be happy. all 4 will get 2nd-3rd contracts in this league and all 4 should be playing more here for years to come.

not sure how this board grades horst so poorly on identifying young guys with upside. we have those dudes too. we dont have lottery pick guys but no teams do in our draft positions.

from our draft slots you need to bat .300. if you can bat .300 with a contributor out of the late first and 2nd rounds youre a hof'er.

[German Athens]

Off-season: target dudes who dominated in FIBA play.

Not dominant, but I kind of like Joel Parra as the kind of player who would somehow be exactly as good in the NBA as he is in Euroleague.

I wasn’t even thinking of current overseas players, but I’m all for it.

I was first thinking about nba dudes who’ve gone and dominated in international competition.

I’ve been underwhelmed some with Dame in Milwaukee, and a tiny piece of my worry coming in was really how he looked in the 2020 Olympics where he struggled to fill any type of role that wasn’t him being the lead guy, and as a result wasn’t all that impactful. I think many of those warts that were seen then have popped up here, unfortunately. I still think he’s a top 30 player, and I’m not getting rid of him for the sake of it, but I’d also very actively look at the options this summer.

I really like the litmus test of international play. I think it’s an interesting data point to see how they function in a more physical environment where the court is smaller, and see if they have utility outside a team that may be optimally built for them.

That’s a big part of me liking your Lauri idea.

[blazza18]

The narrative that so many bad moves were not actually the GM’s fault is so funny.

He can’t draft, he can’t identity young talent, he “wins” trades by giving away first round picks, has ignored our weaknesses on the wings for years and has overall made the team worse around a superstar in his prime.

[rayallenscalves]

I see this extension as an acknowledgement from ownership that they messed up. Kind of a "you were right, we were wrong" situation.

I don't think either Griffin or Doc were his choices. I'm almost not sure Horst really wanted to trade Middleton, especially for Kuzma, as that was a decision driven by ownership (money) and Doc (liked Kuz).

While I have hated every one of his draft picks the moment they were selected, I give him credit for finding young guys (Green, Rollins, KPJ, Sims) through other means. And he's done a good job of finding complementary vets on cheap deals.

He hasn't been perfect, but the Bucks could do far worse. Now let's hope ownership let's him do what he wants with the next coach.

[blazza18]

The Bucks did an extensive search on coaches after they let Bud go and it came up with Adrian Griffin in the top three.

Mr batting .1000 on coaching hires.

[paulpressey25]

The narrative that so many bad moves were not actually the GM’s fault is so funny.

He can’t draft, he can’t identity young talent, he “wins” trades by giving away first round picks, has ignored our weaknesses on the wings for years and has overall made the team worse around a superstar in his prime.

Oh, I think there is plenty of blame to go to Horst. But to Heist's point above, I view this as Horst winning the power struggle over Doc. And that Doc was the one who wanted Kuzma. And that Doc has exactly two to five more games to figure out what HE (Doc) has left in the tank.

Again, could be wrong.

[paulpressey25]

The Bucks did an extensive search on coaches after they let Bud go and it came up with Adrian Griffin in the top three.

Mr batting .1000 on coaching hires.

You also need to factor in Giannis. This doesn't happen unless Giannis signs off.

Keeping Giannis means untold millions more in revenue. Maybe hundreds of millions or a billion if Giannis stays here his entire career. And that money will flow even if we're talking about a 48 win/5th seed club that us hamburger eaters disapprove of.

[Frank Nova]

2 months ago major changes were coming if the Bucks didn’t make a deep playoff run. Down 0-2 in the 1st round seems like weird timing for a Horst extension. I would’ve thought major changes would involve a new GM, I guess not. Or the franchise is still very confident in this teams ability to get it going? Who knows.

[RiotPunch]

I don't think it's some big hope. Say what you want about him, but Horst is batting 1.000 on coaching hires right now if ownership signed off on Atkinson. I trust him to get that part right. The draft? Trades? Everything besides contract negotiations and vet minimum signings? Yeah, not so much.

I think he would make a strong coaching hire. I guess I am still skeptical as to whether or not Horst will actually be granted full autonomy over the next coaching search, if there even is one. Kenny's success in Cleveland should be all he needs to convince Wes and Jimmy, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[Be Here Now]

The narrative that so many bad moves were not actually the GM’s fault is so funny.

He can’t draft, he can’t identity young talent, he “wins” trades by giving away first round picks, has ignored our weaknesses on the wings for years and has overall made the team worse around a superstar in his prime.

Bingo. The roster he inherited from Hammond was much more stacked with the talent than the one we have right now. It does not take much skill to fire off a bunch of future first rounders for Jrue and Dame.

I'll concede the point that he does seem to have a great relationship with Giannis, but what good is that when we're staring down the barrel of our third 1st round exit in a row with a top 3 player?

[msiris]

People forget Horst, video coordinator at the time Ross Geiger and a few others helped Giannis learn how to drive and showed him the ropes as an 18-year-old. I think Horst and Giannis have a stronger connection than people realize.

100%.

I'm viewing this announcement as a positive for Giannis allowing a re-tool this summer.

Jrue and Mids were very close to Giannis so why stop there.

[German Athens]

The Bucks did an extensive search on coaches after they let Bud go and it came up with Adrian Griffin in the top three.

Mr batting .1000 on coaching hires.

Yeah, that’s a terrible process if that’s what you end up with. Giannis wanted a former player as coach. That by no means meant it had to be specifically Griffin.

[emunney]

There are definitely other readings on this other than Horst winning a power struggle. For instance: there was no struggle and Horst is a useful executor.

[theFireBlanket]

Hopefully this is more along the lines of owners noting that the meddling on coaching hires has put the team in a predicament. Possibly that Khris deal. Seriously it is best that the Khris deal was also owner influenced.

Also to establish stability in the FO while the coaching carousel remains a merry go round of new riders.

[Ron Swanson]

The Bucks did an extensive search on coaches after they let Bud go and it came up with Adrian Griffin in the top three.

Mr batting .1000 on coaching hires.

Couldn't care less that Griffin was the token "ex-player" coach that they threw in there. We all know exactly why and how Griffin got hired at this point, and it's because ownership thought more about whatever fleeting whim Giannis had at the time rather than hiring the best guy that by all accounts the GM pushed for.

[JayMKE]

This team is **** doomed, there is no cope with this ****. Even 1 ring with this poverty franchise was a miracle.

[blazza18]

I'll concede the point that he does seem to have a great relationship with Giannis, but what good is that when we're staring down the barrel of our third 1st round exit in a row with a top 3 player?

The relationship can’t be that good if he can’t convince Giannis on what coach is best for the franchise.

[German Athens]

The Bucks did an extensive search on coaches after they let Bud go and it came up with Adrian Griffin in the top three.

Mr batting .1000 on coaching hires.

Couldn't care less that Griffin was the token "ex-player" coach that they threw in there. We all know exactly why and how Griffin got hired at this point, and it's because ownership thought more about whatever fleeting whim Giannis had at the time rather than hiring the best guy that by all accounts the GM pushed for.

Maybe when you have an extensive search, you should feel good about all 3 of your finalists, and not have any candidate that’s just thrown in there.

I’m sure they felt good about Griff, and that’s why he made it that far, but there were better directions they could have gone in if they wanted a legitimate candidate who was a former player.