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ugh damn, Nolen to the Cardinals. that one could hurt us. 3rd DT off the board now.
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clyde21 wrote:ugh damn, Nolen to the Cardinals. that one could hurt us. 3rd DT off the board now.
Brendal better beef up the padding on the back of his shoulder pads.
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thesack12 wrote:arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:
Besides Bosa who was a no brainer pick, this regime is pretty bad with drafting Dlineman at the top of the draft.
I mean Kinlaw is on his 3rd contract and just got a pretty decent amount of money so I wouldn't say he was bad, he just had injuries with us which was a concern. I think we need to invest more, Drake Jackson and Robert Beal were both OLB at least according to football reference. Solomon Thomas I feel like was a little undersized too.
McGlinchey got a massive contract, and Jaylon Moore just got Paid. I'm not sure gauging contract figures is a great way to evaluate a player. Also worth noting that Kinlaw signed a 1 year show me/prove it type of contract coming off his rookie deal. So saying he's on his 3rd contract, while entirely true, is a tad misleading.
Sure injuries were a factor, but Kinlaw was a massive disappointment. Especially since the chain events leading to that pick, led us to believe he was supposed to step in and be a fair amount of what Buckner was.
Jackson was drafted to play DE for SF, that's all that matters when evaluating the pick.
If he was truly bad he wouldn't be getting 30M guaranteed. I am not saying it was a good pick or he was good for us but I wouldn't categorize him as bad.
My point was saying the DL we have drafted have often been undersized. We exceled when drafting guys like Armstead and Buckner, not tweeners like Jackson and Beal
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man, it's been pretty much ALL trenches in the top 20 so far.
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arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:arich35 wrote:
I mean Kinlaw is on his 3rd contract and just got a pretty decent amount of money so I wouldn't say he was bad, he just had injuries with us which was a concern. I think we need to invest more, Drake Jackson and Robert Beal were both OLB at least according to football reference. Solomon Thomas I feel like was a little undersized too.
McGlinchey got a massive contract, and Jaylon Moore just got Paid. I'm not sure gauging contract figures is a great way to evaluate a player. Also worth noting that Kinlaw signed a 1 year show me/prove it type of contract coming off his rookie deal. So saying he's on his 3rd contract, while entirely true, is a tad misleading.
Sure injuries were a factor, but Kinlaw was a massive disappointment. Especially since the chain events leading to that pick, led us to believe he was supposed to step in and be a fair amount of what Buckner was.
Jackson was drafted to play DE for SF, that's all that matters when evaluating the pick.
If he was truly bad he wouldn't be getting 30M guaranteed. I am not saying it was a good pick or he was good for us but I wouldn't categorize him as bad.
My point was saying the DL we have drafted have often been undersized. We exceled when drafting guys like Armstead and Buckner, not tweeners like Jackson and Beal
Javon Kinlaw was a bad pick for San Francisco. The numbers on his checks he's getting now are totally irrelevant to that point.
The rest of your post is providing more legitimacy to my point that THIS regime has been pretty bad with drafting DL at the top of the draft.
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thesack12 wrote:arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:
McGlinchey got a massive contract, and Jaylon Moore just got Paid. I'm not sure gauging contract figures is a great way to evaluate a player. Also worth noting that Kinlaw signed a 1 year show me/prove it type of contract coming off his rookie deal. So saying he's on his 3rd contract, while entirely true, is a tad misleading.
Sure injuries were a factor, but Kinlaw was a massive disappointment. Especially since the chain events leading to that pick, led us to believe he was supposed to step in and be a fair amount of what Buckner was.
Jackson was drafted to play DE for SF, that's all that matters when evaluating the pick.
If he was truly bad he wouldn't be getting 30M guaranteed. I am not saying it was a good pick or he was good for us but I wouldn't categorize him as bad.
My point was saying the DL we have drafted have often been undersized. We exceled when drafting guys like Armstead and Buckner, not tweeners like Jackson and Beal
Javon Kinlaw was a bad pick for San Francisco. The numbers on his checks he's getting now are totally irrelevant to that point.
The rest of your post is providing more legitimacy to my point that THIS regime has been pretty bad with drafting DL at the top of the draft.
Again, I agree lol.
My whole original point is this regime hasn't put a lot of resources drafting DL in awhile. Thomas, Kinlaw, and Jackson in 8+ years? besides Bosa obviously. We have not been drafting enough DL IMO
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arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:arich35 wrote:
If he was truly bad he wouldn't be getting 30M guaranteed. I am not saying it was a good pick or he was good for us but I wouldn't categorize him as bad.
My point was saying the DL we have drafted have often been undersized. We exceled when drafting guys like Armstead and Buckner, not tweeners like Jackson and Beal
Javon Kinlaw was a bad pick for San Francisco. The numbers on his checks he's getting now are totally irrelevant to that point.
The rest of your post is providing more legitimacy to my point that THIS regime has been pretty bad with drafting DL at the top of the draft.
Again, I agree lol.
My whole original point is this regime hasn't put a lot of resources drafting DL in awhile. Thomas, Kinlaw, and Jackson in 8+ years? besides Bosa obviously. We have not been drafting enough DL IMO
that's way more than all other positions, we've also signed guys like Hargrave and Collins in FA, and inherited another top 10 pick on the DL in Armstead, and here we are against spending the 11th pick on one.
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clyde21 wrote:arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:
Javon Kinlaw was a bad pick for San Francisco. The numbers on his checks he's getting now are totally irrelevant to that point.
The rest of your post is providing more legitimacy to my point that THIS regime has been pretty bad with drafting DL at the top of the draft.
Again, I agree lol.
My whole original point is this regime hasn't put a lot of resources drafting DL in awhile. Thomas, Kinlaw, and Jackson in 8+ years? besides Bosa obviously. We have not been drafting enough DL IMO
that's way more than all other positions, we've also signed guys like Hargrave and Collins in FA, and inherited another top 10 pick on the DL in Armstead, and here we are against spending the 11th pick on one.
Lol well there are 4 of them on the field at one time and you typically need 8 on your roster so makes sense if they are drafted more. They have neglected OL and DL for too long, that is why we are where we are
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arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:arich35 wrote:
If he was truly bad he wouldn't be getting 30M guaranteed. I am not saying it was a good pick or he was good for us but I wouldn't categorize him as bad.
My point was saying the DL we have drafted have often been undersized. We exceled when drafting guys like Armstead and Buckner, not tweeners like Jackson and Beal
Javon Kinlaw was a bad pick for San Francisco. The numbers on his checks he's getting now are totally irrelevant to that point.
The rest of your post is providing more legitimacy to my point that THIS regime has been pretty bad with drafting DL at the top of the draft.
Again, I agree lol.
My whole original point is this regime hasn't put a lot of resources drafting DL in awhile. Thomas, Kinlaw, and Jackson in 8+ years? besides Bosa obviously. We have not been drafting enough DL IMO
So far this regime has made 9 first round picks.
They have used 4 of those on the DL.
44% of their 1st rounders were DL picks.
So far this regime has made 5 second round picks, 1 of which was a DL pick.
They also used an additional 2nd round pick to trade for Dee Ford.
I really don't get the sentiment that they don't invest draft capital in the DL.
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thesack12 wrote:arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:
Javon Kinlaw was a bad pick for San Francisco. The numbers on his checks he's getting now are totally irrelevant to that point.
The rest of your post is providing more legitimacy to my point that THIS regime has been pretty bad with drafting DL at the top of the draft.
Again, I agree lol.
My whole original point is this regime hasn't put a lot of resources drafting DL in awhile. Thomas, Kinlaw, and Jackson in 8+ years? besides Bosa obviously. We have not been drafting enough DL IMO
So far this regime has made 9 first round picks.
They have used 4 of those on the DL.
44% of their 1st rounders were DL picks.
So far this regime has made 5 second round picks, 1 of which was a DL pick.
They also used an additional 2nd round pick to trade for Dee Ford.
I really don't get the sentiment that they don't invest draft capital in the DL.
I would say look at the past 5 years.
We have drafted 4 total in the last 5 years and two were 5th & 6th round
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arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:arich35 wrote:
Again, I agree lol.
My whole original point is this regime hasn't put a lot of resources drafting DL in awhile. Thomas, Kinlaw, and Jackson in 8+ years? besides Bosa obviously. We have not been drafting enough DL IMO
So far this regime has made 9 first round picks.
They have used 4 of those on the DL.
44% of their 1st rounders were DL picks.
So far this regime has made 5 second round picks, 1 of which was a DL pick.
They also used an additional 2nd round pick to trade for Dee Ford.
I really don't get the sentiment that they don't invest draft capital in the DL.
I would say look at the past 5 years.
We have drafted 4 total in the last 5 years and two were 5th & 6th round
within the last 5 years we had a big FA signing at the DL, drafted Kinlaw in the first and Jackson in the 2nd, two are already off the roster and the third might never play a snap for us again.
we just haven't done well with this position outside the layup that was Bosa.
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Harmon to Pittsburgh. DTs flying off the board, not as much DEs. Not great for us. It was always a real longshot that Nolen or Harmon would fall to 43, but I did a bunch of mocks that had that scenario and it was pretty sweet. Not sure there will be a ton of value at DT in the second round, though there should be PLENTY of options in rounds three and four.
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arich35 wrote:thesack12 wrote:arich35 wrote:
Again, I agree lol.
My whole original point is this regime hasn't put a lot of resources drafting DL in awhile. Thomas, Kinlaw, and Jackson in 8+ years? besides Bosa obviously. We have not been drafting enough DL IMO
So far this regime has made 9 first round picks.
They have used 4 of those on the DL.
44% of their 1st rounders were DL picks.
So far this regime has made 5 second round picks, 1 of which was a DL pick.
They also used an additional 2nd round pick to trade for Dee Ford.
I really don't get the sentiment that they don't invest draft capital in the DL.
I would say look at the past 5 years.
We have drafted 4 total in the last 5 years and two were 5th & 6th round
And they gave Armstead a massive contract. Gave Hargrave a massive contract. Traded for Ford and gave him a massive contract. Traded for Collins, traded for Willis, Traded for Young, signed Floyd to a notable free agent contract.
Its pretty clear that DL is the position group they invest the most in.
Do you just want them to go DL in the top 2 rounds every year?