2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West First Round: #4 Denver Nuggets vs #5 LA Clippers (Series tied 2-2)

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Who wins?

Poll ended at Sun Apr 27, 2025 3:33 pm

Nuggets in 5
3
4%
Nuggets in 6
9
12%
Nuggets in 7
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22%
Clippers in 5
7
9%
Clippers in 6
33
45%
Clippers in 7
6
8%
 
Total votes: 74

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Re: 2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West First Round: #4 Denver Nuggets vs #5 LA Clippers (Series tied 1-1) 

Post#341 » by Wallace_Wallace » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:31 am

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If you factor in offense and defense this year, Zubac was all-NBA caliber. He's probably been their most consistent player (not their best) all year.


I won’t disagree with him being a consistent player and a consummate professional, but how would you rank him against the players that I mentioned (especially the upper echelon)?


If this is his new normal (I'm willing to be reasonable and say this is/was an outlier year), then I take him over Sabonis, Gobert, Kessler, Allen, Hartenstein, Ayton, Duren. Heck, I might take him over Adebayo, because Zubac is so big, he makes his presence felt on the offensive end pretty much every game, unless he's in foul trouble.

Which means, I think Sengun, KAT, Jokic, AD, Embiid and Wemby are better than him. But Wemby at this stage in his career would have a lot of problems with Zubac from a physicality standpoint in the playoffs. And Sengun is arguable because Zubac is probably going to make all-NBA defense.


Zubac is excellent at what he does: rim protection, rebounding, screen setting, and finishing in the paint. But calling him better than Sabonis, Gobert, or Adebayo implies he brings more value as a two-way player, which doesn’t hold up when you dig into their actual roles and usage.
Sabonis is the engine of the Kings’ offense. He’s a triple-double threat and elite passer. Zubac doesn’t create offense for others.
Adebayo is arguably the most versatile defensive big in the league. He switches, protects the rim, and can bring the ball up. Zubac struggles when pulled out to the perimeter.
Gobert is an DPOY candidate. Zubac’s good, but he’s not anchoring a top defense the way Gobert does without elite perimeter defenders around him (in Utah)

He plays his role well, but comparing him favorably to elite two-way centers who carry much heavier offensive and defensive loads is a stretch. Respect his growth, but let’s not overreact.
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Re: 2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West First Round: #4 Denver Nuggets vs #5 LA Clippers (Series tied 1-1) 

Post#342 » by Max Headrom » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:31 am

Kawhi only has 9 points. This could get really ugly really fast if he gets it going in the second half.
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Re: 2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West First Round: #4 Denver Nuggets vs #5 LA Clippers (Series tied 1-1) 

Post#343 » by f4p » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:32 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
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I can't figure out why and even their agents don't put any pressure on their teams(other than to pay them). Gasol didn't even make noise about wanting to leave Memphis if I recall before the Lakers trade. And small markets take advantage of foreign superstars not saying anything too.


I hope they both stay. Last thing I want to see is new superteams formed.


If OKC gets a super team, I wouldn't even be mad. Presti is a **** genius that put them in a position to trade for anyone.

I get mad when LA/Miami get super teams without needing to actually do anything to build the team just because they have beaches.


Yeah OKC is just ridiculous. I don't think a 75 win season is out of reach the next few seasons once they eventually cash their picks in for a superstar.
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Post#344 » by HotRocks34 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:32 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:
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Jokic needs to ask for the ball, because the team cannot initiate offense without him, it's really bad.


He's stuck because he knows they'll triple team him.

Other guys have to be able to consistently make plays to take advantage of the coverage against Jokic and they just can't do it.

Teams used to double Jokic and now they're tripling him. Why not? No one else can do anything consistently.

I'm kind of glad this is happening because it is showing what the team is without Jokic. A disaster.


Yep. Why double Jokic when you know you can triple team him and the team isn’t good enough to make anything happen? You make it even more harder for him to score and get turnovers and the other guys don’t punish you.


What Booth and Kroenke have done with the team is a travesty. Malone too, because he refused to play guys who could have helped.

Jokic has to be seething inside.

But it's good. No more pretending about what the team is.
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Post#345 » by ejftw » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:32 am

The Wall that poster of Adelman wearing noise cancelling headphones and crying... classic
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Post#346 » by KGDirkTD_Fan » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:32 am

Gordon can't make a bucket right underneath wtf man
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Post#347 » by ejftw » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:33 am

Dunn getting an offensive rebound there was pure effort
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Post#348 » by LakersSoul » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:33 am

doogie_hauser wrote:I really want legacy/franchise goat players like Joker and Giannis to retire as a Nugget and Buck

Hate this modern day culture LeBron and KD have created in being Ring Chasers.

Staying loyal to the team that drafted you and made you a superstar should not be regarded as a bad thing


If I were Bucks FO, I would have a serious internal discussion on continuing with Giannis or not.

If not, then I would talk with Giannis and find out honestly how he feels. If he love Bucks, then continue the first round exit. If not then both decide to move on, get as many young players and picks as possible.

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Post#349 » by f4p » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:33 am

doogie_hauser wrote:I really want legacy/franchise goat players like Joker and Giannis to retire as a Nugget and Buck

Hate this modern day culture LeBron and KD have created in being Ring Chasers.

Staying loyal to the team that drafted you and made you a superstar should not be regarded as a bad thing


Especially when you already have a ring. Like I get having down seasons sucks but lots of greats have played through lots of down seasons.
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Post#350 » by ejftw » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:34 am

Jokic unable to seal Dunn there was.......I have no words
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Post#351 » by HotRocks34 » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:34 am

We've come to the part of the season where Jokic is forced to take step back threes because no one else can do anything.

Feel awful for him.
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Post#353 » by OldSchoolNoBull » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:35 am

f4p wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:
I hope they both stay. Last thing I want to see is new superteams formed.


If OKC gets a super team, I wouldn't even be mad. Presti is a **** genius that put them in a position to trade for anyone.

I get mad when LA/Miami get super teams without needing to actually do anything to build the team just because they have beaches.


Yeah OKC is just ridiculous. I don't think a 75 win season is out of reach the next few seasons once they eventually cash their picks in for a superstar.


I don't think they should. People keep talking about it, but I say don't fix it if it ain't broke. We'll see how the playoffs go, but right now I don't think they're broke.
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Post#354 » by PeteyPablo » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:36 am

f4p wrote:
oaf54 wrote:I love how everyone is assuming the series is over when it's 1-1. Cleary people don't remember 2020 or how those games went.


I mean, this game isn't even over.



The only players left from that 2020 team are Kawhi and Zubac.

And it’s not Covid / Bubble anymore
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Post#355 » by ejftw » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:36 am

Refs must've seen that BBall breakdown vid to call the sneaky travel theree
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Post#356 » by CodeBreaker » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:36 am

guynumber45 wrote:This is the new wave in the NBA. 2 star players surrounded by incredible depth. There's a reason why Shai and Tatum will likely be in the finals while Giannis/Jokic will be gone in round 1 even though the latter are the superior players. Depth is more important than ever to win.

Not to mention, this team has Zubac. He's so underrated.
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Post#357 » by LakersSoul » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:37 am

LakersSoul wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:I really want legacy/franchise goat players like Joker and Giannis to retire as a Nugget and Buck

Hate this modern day culture LeBron and KD have created in being Ring Chasers.

Staying loyal to the team that drafted you and made you a superstar should not be regarded as a bad thing


If I were Bucks FO, I would have a serious internal discussion on continuing with Giannis or not.

If not, then I would talk with Giannis and find out honestly how he feels. If he love Bucks, then continue the first round exit. If not then both decide to move on, get as many young players and picks as possible.


As for Joker, I would never trade him., NEVER!

I don’t think anyone can offer enough to trade Joker, seriously, not even OKC. Get rid of flawed guys like Russ, and continue to build with long 3&D type like Braun, guys that can shoot and play at least decent defense.

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Post#358 » by ejftw » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:37 am

Head snap 6. One away from hitting the over!

Zu can not miss those bunnies tho
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Post#359 » by durden_tyler » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:39 am

Just no energy and no sense of urgency for the Nuggets.
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Post#360 » by ejftw » Fri Apr 25, 2025 3:39 am

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