FIRE WELTMAN

[RichCollab]

Weltman loves the smell of his own farts. It's absolutely ridiculous that after 7 years of him becoming GM, we're no better than the team he inherited.

What the hell are you talking about?

We have the start of something. We are in a good spot with our top 3.

Fire Weltman 100% but we are in a better position.

[RichCollab]

KCP wasn't the worst signing. If we get Jokic and Murray caliber players at PG and C then I'm sure we'll see the DEN version of KCP.

Signing KCP over Klay Thompson is still mind boggling. Klay was ALL ABOUT coming to ORL but Weltman showed him no love. Anyone think we need a high volume 40% 3 point shooter? Or are we still enamored with KCP's 1.3 spg

Klay didn’t seem interested at all.

[fendilim]

Gee the bar is low. Especially with giving Weltman playoff credit for making it with Henny's team. Who comes in as a new GM and says, "I need an evaluation year".

7 years later. 2 players on the team worth a darn and one of them came by having the #1 overall pick. A monkey could've done better than that by playing spin the bottle.

We're much better than the Vuc team and would've won 50 games this season if we were healthy.

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GMs don't get the luxury of saying "if we were healthy". Jalen has been injury prone his whole career. One healthy year in a contract year gottem fooled. He's another guy that needs to be traded while he still has fake value.

whole career? Jalen was so healthy last year, he was even qualified to win an all defensive team. Stop exaggerating. Lol

[Skin]

We're much better than the Vuc team and would've won 50 games this season if we were healthy.

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GMs don't get the luxury of saying "if we were healthy". Jalen has been injury prone his whole career. One healthy year in a contract year gottem fooled. He's another guy that needs to be traded while he still has fake value.

whole career? Jalen was so healthy last year, he was even qualified to win an all defensive team. Stop exaggerating. Lol

1 contact year is all we can say. That's sad. We can't afford a repeat going into his next contract. Sell while you can. We are already past sell high. That deal is over

[Skin]

KCP wasn't the worst signing. If we get Jokic and Murray caliber players at PG and C then I'm sure we'll see the DEN version of KCP.

Signing KCP over Klay Thompson is still mind boggling. Klay was ALL ABOUT coming to ORL but Weltman showed him no love. Anyone think we need a high volume 40% 3 point shooter? Or are we still enamored with KCP's 1.3 spg

Klay didn’t seem interested at all.

Well he definitely was

[eyriq]

I can see why y'all get worked into a tizzy, watching Schroeder cook has counterfactuals spinning me into a rage.

[fendilim]

GMs don't get the luxury of saying "if we were healthy". Jalen has been injury prone his whole career. One healthy year in a contract year gottem fooled. He's another guy that needs to be traded while he still has fake value.

whole career? Jalen was so healthy last year, he was even qualified to win an all defensive team. Stop exaggerating. Lol

1 contact year is all we can say. That's sad. We can't afford a repeat going into his next contract. Sell while you can. We are already past sell high. That deal is over

So its not whole…

[fendilim]

KCP wasn't the worst signing. If we get Jokic and Murray caliber players at PG and C then I'm sure we'll see the DEN version of KCP.

Signing KCP over Klay Thompson is still mind boggling. Klay was ALL ABOUT coming to ORL but Weltman showed him no love. Anyone think we need a high volume 40% 3 point shooter? Or are we still enamored with KCP's 1.3 spg

Klay didn’t seem interested at all.

Well he definitely was

where was this confirmed?

[pepe1991]

Klay didn’t seem interested at all.

Well he definitely was

where was this confirmed?

Nowhere.
He only talked with:
Clippers
Lakers
Mavs
76ers

and picked Mavs.

According to ESPN's Ramona Shelburne, Thompson's top choice throughout the process was the Mavericks based on how he'd impact next to Doncic and Irving. He entered his meeting with the Mavs prepared with film to illustrate it, viewing the team as his best opportunity to win a fifth title.

"Dallas was his top choice. He loved the way the Mavericks played and believed he'd be an ideal fit alongside Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving, sources said," Shelburne wrote. "He came into a dinner meeting with the Mavericks' front office having studied tape of the team and already projecting out how he could help them."

Between Lakers and Mavs he went with Mavs because of Luka. Poor guy

Orlando was never even in picture.

btw, if you start looking into KCP signing, it seems like Nuggets never even bothered to offer KCP anything, after Weltman dumped his offer

KCP on leaving Denver: “It took a while to think about it. There was a sense of me waiting to see if they [Denver] was gonna come back with an offer—But to be apart of this organization, [Orlando] they wanted me just as much as I wanted them.”

[Skin]

Klay didn’t seem interested at all.

Well he definitely was

where was this confirmed?

Shams good enough for ya?

The Athletic's Shams Charania spoke about the potential moves Orlando could make and noted they could open up over $60 million in cap space to sign free agents or make other moves like sign-and-trades.

With the Magic poised to be a player in free agency, one player Charania connected them to was Golden State Warriors shooting guard Klay Thompson.

"You look at the point guard position but also shooting and scoring on the wing, and one name to keep an eye on [is] Klay Thompson," Charania said. "I'm told there is mutual interest between the Magic and Klay Thompson.

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/news/golden-state-warriors-klay-thompson-orlando-magic-nba-free-agency-interest-rumors

There's lots of talk. Google it. It boiled down to the fact that when FA started the Magic ended up targeting KCP as their #1 target. Klay wasn't a priority. Naturally, he wasn't going to include us if we weren't going to chase. His 3 year, $50M deal would've been perfect.

No sense hand wringing about it now. The search for 3pt shooting continues on..... for the umpteenth year in a row.

[GelbeWand09]

I don't think he needs to be fired, but this offseason is the time to make big changes.

Yes, he has to make big changes this offseason. No, the time for big changes were the last 1-2 years when we had cap space & we werent desperate to make changes. Now every GM knows we are desperate, like they knew at the deadline.

Thats one of the main reasons other young teams leaped us. OKC needed a Center & they knew Giddey isnt a fit next to SGA & J-Will. Detroit knew they needed shooting & '''real'' NBA players & vets. Houston needed playmaking & defensive players (Jumped from worst to top 3 defense in one offseason with Van Fleet & Brooks). Those GM's actually addressed NEEDS.
What did Weltman the last years? Either nothing or spending big money for a player that doesnt address any of our needs (no, low volume KCP was never any kind of solution for our shooting problem) and just double/tripple downed on stuff we were already good at. We still have no PG, playmaking, ballhandling or shooting. He even increased our problems with not replacing Ingles passing.

[fendilim]

Well he definitely was

where was this confirmed?

Shams good enough for ya?

The Athletic's Shams Charania spoke about the potential moves Orlando could make and noted they could open up over $60 million in cap space to sign free agents or make other moves like sign-and-trades.

With the Magic poised to be a player in free agency, one player Charania connected them to was Golden State Warriors shooting guard Klay Thompson.

"You look at the point guard position but also shooting and scoring on the wing, and one name to keep an eye on [is] Klay Thompson," Charania said. "I'm told there is mutual interest between the Magic and Klay Thompson.

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/news/golden-state-warriors-klay-thompson-orlando-magic-nba-free-agency-interest-rumors

There's lots of talk. Google it. It boiled down to the fact that when FA started the Magic ended up targeting KCP as their #1 target. Klay wasn't a priority. Naturally, he wasn't going to include us if we weren't going to chase. His 3 year, $50M deal would've been perfect.

No sense hand wringing about it now. The search for 3pt shooting continues on..... for the umpteenth year in a row.

Well, the Magic didn’t show interest…

[fendilim]

Well he definitely was

where was this confirmed?

Nowhere.
He only talked with:
Clippers
Lakers
Mavs
76ers

and picked Mavs.

According to ESPN's Ramona Shelburne, Thompson's top choice throughout the process was the Mavericks based on how he'd impact next to Doncic and Irving. He entered his meeting with the Mavs prepared with film to illustrate it, viewing the team as his best opportunity to win a fifth title.

"Dallas was his top choice. He loved the way the Mavericks played and believed he'd be an ideal fit alongside Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving, sources said," Shelburne wrote. "He came into a dinner meeting with the Mavericks' front office having studied tape of the team and already projecting out how he could help them."

Between Lakers and Mavs he went with Mavs because of Luka. Poor guy

Orlando was never even in picture.

btw, if you start looking into KCP signing, it seems like Nuggets never even bothered to offer KCP anything, after Weltman dumped his offer

KCP on leaving Denver: “It took a while to think about it. There was a sense of me waiting to see if they [Denver] was gonna come back with an offer—But to be apart of this organization, [Orlando] they wanted me just as much as I wanted them.”

I do recall in a podcast, I think, that the Nuggets did have an offer for KCP, just not as much as Orlando’s because of the tax apron.
https://www.denverpost.com/2025/02/07/kentavious-caldwell-pope-magic-contract-nuggets-denver/amp/

[VFX]

Who cares.

You are arguing between a choice of a:

32 year old role player journeyman, that has posted his worst numbers since his rookie season, who is only good in a system that makes sense.

35 year old guy, that has posted his worst numbers since his rookie season, and no longer in a great system and is cooked defensively.

The money shouldn’t have been spent on either of them. Orlando doesn’t have an offense that even highlights their only real ability, which is shooting the basketball. What? You are upset we didn’t get a guy that would touch the ball 6 times a game? Pointless.

How about having higher standards for free agents and trade targets that don’t have their best basketball behind them? Maybe we should call Afflalo out of retirement so he can stand on the perimeter as he watches 2 guys eat up 90% usage in losses.

[VFX]

I don't think he needs to be fired, but this offseason is the time to make big changes.

Yes, he has to make big changes this offseason. No, the time for big changes were the last 1-2 years when we had cap space & we werent desperate to make changes. Now every GM knows we are desperate, like they knew at the deadline.

Thats one of the main reasons other young teams leaped us. OKC needed a Center & they knew Giddey isnt a fit next to SGA & J-Will. Detroit knew they needed shooting & '''real'' NBA players & vets. Houston needed playmaking & defensive players (Jumped from worst to top 3 defense in one offseason with Van Fleet & Brooks). Those GM's actually addressed NEEDS.
What did Weltman the last years? Either nothing or spending big money for a player that doesnt address any of our needs (no, low volume KCP was never any kind of solution for our shooting problem) and just double/tripple downed on stuff we were already good at. We still have no PG, playmaking, ballhandling or shooting. He even increased our problems with not replacing Ingles passing.

Understated post of this thread.

Timing is what matters. He didn’t utilize the time Orlando had to his advantage whatsoever. Thats why he should be fired. These last few years were the perfect opportunity to sell high and buy low trying out different systems and putting Mosely to the test in terms of how he will build a functioning offense. None of that happened.

He sat around with assets he acquired prior to drafting the core of this team and settled on everything making sense. Yeah, well it doesn’t. You drafted well at the top and did nothing else.

[three3d]

This is the type of season that gets someone the axe. If not Weltman that who??? It’s damage control time and not a single person would complain if Weltman was fired. To be honest it’s either Mosley or Weltman and I don’t think Mosley should pay the price for what the front office failed to do. That being said I don’t think Mosley’s staff should be coming back at all, they are all easily upgradable.

[OrlChamps2030]

I don't think he needs to be fired, but this offseason is the time to make big changes.

Yes, he has to make big changes this offseason. No, the time for big changes were the last 1-2 years when we had cap space & we werent desperate to make changes. Now every GM knows we are desperate, like they knew at the deadline.

Thats one of the main reasons other young teams leaped us. OKC needed a Center & they knew Giddey isnt a fit next to SGA & J-Will. Detroit knew they needed shooting & '''real'' NBA players & vets. Houston needed playmaking & defensive players (Jumped from worst to top 3 defense in one offseason with Van Fleet & Brooks). Those GM's actually addressed NEEDS.
What did Weltman the last years? Either nothing or spending big money for a player that doesnt address any of our needs (no, low volume KCP was never any kind of solution for our shooting problem) and just double/tripple downed on stuff we were already good at. We still have no PG, playmaking, ballhandling or shooting. He even increased our problems with not replacing Ingles passing.

Well said

Some posters here have convinced themselves you can wait years and years to fill holes but in reality you’re competing against 29 other teams who are also looking to get better every season. Weltman has waited so long, that our needs are so obvious (and abundant), he has lost a lot of leverage and will get gouged if a move is made.

Our starting PG in last year’s playoffs was Markelle Fultz. Our starting PG in this year’s playoffs is Corey Joseph.

How can the apologists continue to convince themselves this is acceptable?

[three3d]

I don't think he needs to be fired, but this offseason is the time to make big changes.

Yes, he has to make big changes this offseason. No, the time for big changes were the last 1-2 years when we had cap space & we werent desperate to make changes. Now every GM knows we are desperate, like they knew at the deadline.

Thats one of the main reasons other young teams leaped us. OKC needed a Center & they knew Giddey isnt a fit next to SGA & J-Will. Detroit knew they needed shooting & '''real'' NBA players & vets. Houston needed playmaking & defensive players (Jumped from worst to top 3 defense in one offseason with Van Fleet & Brooks). Those GM's actually addressed NEEDS.
What did Weltman the last years? Either nothing or spending big money for a player that doesnt address any of our needs (no, low volume KCP was never any kind of solution for our shooting problem) and just double/tripple downed on stuff we were already good at. We still have no PG, playmaking, ballhandling or shooting. He even increased our problems with not replacing Ingles passing.

Well said

Some posters here have convinced themselves you can wait years and years to fill holes but in reality you’re competing against 29 other teams who are also looking to get better every season. Weltman has waited so long, that our needs are so obvious (and abundant), he has lost a lot of leverage and will get gouged if a move is made.

Our starting PG in last year’s playoffs was Markelle Fultz. Our starting PG in this year’s playoffs is Corey Joseph.

How can the apologists continue to convince themselves this is acceptable?

Go even further back all the way to the beginning and you’ll see Orlando has always devalued point guards. Penny Hardaway and Jameer Nelson, it’s sad 36 years of Magic Basketball and I’m not sure anyone could name 5 more point guards we’ve had much less any point guards not washed up and on their last contract.

[Skybox]

I don't think he needs to be fired, but this offseason is the time to make big changes.

Yes, he has to make big changes this offseason. No, the time for big changes were the last 1-2 years when we had cap space & we werent desperate to make changes. Now every GM knows we are desperate, like they knew at the deadline.

Thats one of the main reasons other young teams leaped us. OKC needed a Center & they knew Giddey isnt a fit next to SGA & J-Will. Detroit knew they needed shooting & '''real'' NBA players & vets. Houston needed playmaking & defensive players (Jumped from worst to top 3 defense in one offseason with Van Fleet & Brooks). Those GM's actually addressed NEEDS.
What did Weltman the last years? Either nothing or spending big money for a player that doesnt address any of our needs (no, low volume KCP was never any kind of solution for our shooting problem) and just double/tripple downed on stuff we were already good at. We still have no PG, playmaking, ballhandling or shooting. He even increased our problems with not replacing Ingles passing.

Well said

Some posters here have convinced themselves you can wait years and years to fill holes but in reality you’re competing against 29 other teams who are also looking to get better every season. Weltman has waited so long, that our needs are so obvious (and abundant), he has lost a lot of leverage and will get gouged if a move is made.

Our starting PG in last year’s playoffs was Markelle Fultz. Our starting PG in this year’s playoffs is Corey Joseph.

How can the apologists continue to convince themselves this is acceptable?

It's not his fault...remember, he told us the other GMs were mean to him because they knew he wanted to make a deal

[eyriq]

Yes, he has to make big changes this offseason. No, the time for big changes were the last 1-2 years when we had cap space & we werent desperate to make changes. Now every GM knows we are desperate, like they knew at the deadline.

Thats one of the main reasons other young teams leaped us. OKC needed a Center & they knew Giddey isnt a fit next to SGA & J-Will. Detroit knew they needed shooting & '''real'' NBA players & vets. Houston needed playmaking & defensive players (Jumped from worst to top 3 defense in one offseason with Van Fleet & Brooks). Those GM's actually addressed NEEDS.
What did Weltman the last years? Either nothing or spending big money for a player that doesnt address any of our needs (no, low volume KCP was never any kind of solution for our shooting problem) and just double/tripple downed on stuff we were already good at. We still have no PG, playmaking, ballhandling or shooting. He even increased our problems with not replacing Ingles passing.

Well said

Some posters here have convinced themselves you can wait years and years to fill holes but in reality you’re competing against 29 other teams who are also looking to get better every season. Weltman has waited so long, that our needs are so obvious (and abundant), he has lost a lot of leverage and will get gouged if a move is made.

Our starting PG in last year’s playoffs was Markelle Fultz. Our starting PG in this year’s playoffs is Corey Joseph.

How can the apologists continue to convince themselves this is acceptable?

Go even further back all the way to the beginning and you’ll see Orlando has always devalued point guards. Penny Hardaway and Jameer Nelson, it’s sad 36 years of Magic Basketball and I’m not sure anyone could name 5 more point guards we’ve had much less any point guards not washed up and on their last contract.

Suggs and AB say hi. We've literally spent high lottery picks on the position during this rebuild.