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[K_ick_God]

Then that’s even more reason to wait for someone like Giannis before we give up all our picks

One idea when making trades is that you can always re-use the value in different ways including subsequent trades if things don't exactly work out.

It's why the pushback against the Donovan Mitchell trade in late August never made sense to me. They could've always traded either Brunson or Mitchell if the backcourt didn't work (I think it absolutely could have). They would have likely gotten just as much value in return. In fact, the value of that Knicks package has declined since the trade, while Donovan's profile has risen.

The KAT trade was a fair deal. Sure, you may not like KAT or whatever, but he's an All-NBA center this year, and we didn't lose any blue-chip asset.

The problem was the Mikal trade because we'll never recoup the value from the deal. It was a massive overpay from the start and we lost a ton of value in that trade. Lost value that we can't translate into wins or use in future trades.

We can't overlook how much of this value we lost by losing Hartenstein and (for a time) Mitch. The summer was an uphill climb after that to even just reach the level from last year again. That, more than anything, warranted a more cautious approach. I think the KAT deal was reasonable. The Mikal trade on the other hand was reckless.

everything you say is fair. even if the knicks would have had to take a slight step back and end up 6th in the conference or whatever for a year, the future is more important than just this season. especially when the post season results might be exactly the same. losing in the 2nd round.

Obv they took a risk on the future but not doing much is a risk for Brunson’s career — and window of opportunity — too

I don’t know what to make of Bridges yet, he’s a weird player and not great. So not about advocating for him but what they did had some rhyme & reason for sure

Bridges is also overrated and soft and maybe they overestimated him … they def won’t get back 5 picks if they redo the team, but they knew they were overpaying

Picks also not the precious gold you all make it out to be … and the rules ensure we can only lose 50% of them anyway

It’s mitigating circumstances

[Buttah304]

Grass is always greener …

Now you guys want Randle and Antet even though we can’t shoot that much already

I’m pretty happy with KAT. The only game we didn’t win was when he took 11 shots … so in a way he’s got a pretty unblemished record in NY and he’s been a great team player, hard worker

Randle is doing okay now though — good for him. So I guess he has an unblemished record as a Wolve

I’d like to see more and also he’s still doing his usual … to me you’d have to be nuts to sign him to his next contract, which is maybe a factor in why he’s playing better in the playoffs

He’s also a tertiary option whereas we used him as a featured guy

There is only one person here whose got Mya case of the ex

[3toheadmelo]

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[K_ick_God]

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[Gravy]

If we compare this team to last year then we would have to compare it to the January24 team that was 14-2. Over the course of a season that's at least 60 wins conservatively. It was superior to what we have now:

OG
Randle
IHart
Donte
Brunson

bench:
Josh Hart
Grimes
Deuce
Mitch
Precious

I dont know if we could rebuild a roster that balanced and deep with our current assets again

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

A lot of terrible people owe Randle an apology. He is ballin.

Worst +/- of the starters, as long as he has the ball Ant doesn't have it. No apology needed.

This aged like milk. You should've checked with AI before you posted that.

The AI actually told me not to root for sham, but it gave me a 100% chance of being satisfied that one of you is going to lose.

[K_ick_God]

He wasn’t injured against the Hawks … he’s just not a good enough shooter or player to be a 1 or even a 2. He’s like a 2-4 on a team v flat after Ant and the Lakers are suddenly just thin and on the ropes

Also KAT at 6-13, 1-4, and poor turnovers / shots, there were a bunch, is not a good game. It’d be awful for Karl

He’s not worth the effort … he’s basically addition by subtraction … almost nothing will change my mind about that. He’s at best an occasional scoring threat with some huge red flags

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He wasn’t injured against the Hawks … he’s just not a good enough shooter or player to be a 1 or even a 2. He’s like a 2-4 on this team and the Lakers are suddenly just thin and on the ropes

Also KAT at 6-13, 1-4, and poor turnovers / shots, there were a bunch, is not a good game. It’d be awful for Karl

Short of him winning a title, he’s not worth the effort … he’s basically addition by subtraction … almost nothing will change my mind about that. He’s at best an occasional scoring threat with some huge red flags

I agree, ban anyone that disagrees with you.

[3toheadmelo]

He wasn’t injured against the Hawks … he’s just not a good enough shooter or player to be a 1 or even a 2. He’s like a 2-4 on a team v flat after Ant and the Lakers are suddenly just thin and on the ropes

Also KAT at 6-13, 1-4, and poor turnovers / shots, there were a bunch, is not a good game. It’d be awful for Karl

He’s not worth the effort … he’s basically addition by subtraction … almost nothing will change my mind about that. He’s at best an occasional scoring threat with some huge red flags

We must be watching different games. His defense has been very good in this series. His playmaking has been huge for them and he’s scoring at an elite efficient rate.

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[3toheadmelo]

Worst +/- of the starters, as long as he has the ball Ant doesn't have it. No apology needed.

This aged like milk. You should've checked with AI before you posted that.

The AI actually told me not to root for sham, but it gave me a 100% chance of being satisfied that one of you is going to lose.

What’s your thoughts on JVG as a Thibs replacement?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

This aged like milk. You should've checked with AI before you posted that.

The AI actually told me not to root for sham, but it gave me a 100% chance of being satisfied that one of you is going to lose.

What’s your thoughts on JVG as a Thibs replacement?

I would take him over Thibs, everyone on the Clippers is saying how much of a big role he's played in their success this year. I don't know how modern he's coaching, but if he's working with Lue, who is elite, he has to be an upgrade.

[3toheadmelo]

If we compare this team to last year then we would have to compare it to the January24 team that was 14-2. Over the course of a season that's at least 60 wins conservatively. It was superior to what we have now:

OG
Randle
IHart
Donte
Brunson

bench:
Josh Hart
Grimes
Deuce
Mitch
Precious

I dont know if we could rebuild a roster that balanced and deep with our current assets again

Yeah, that was the best team I’ve seen from the Knicks since 2013. I don’t know if we’ll ever see a team like that ever again. We had a great balance of elite defense and offense

[3toheadmelo]

The AI actually told me not to root for sham, but it gave me a 100% chance of being satisfied that one of you is going to lose.

What’s your thoughts on JVG as a Thibs replacement?

I would take him over Thibs, everyone on the Clippers is saying how much of a big role he's played in their success this year. I don't know how modern he's coaching, but if he's working with Lue, who is elite, he has to be an upgrade.

Yeah he would be my #1 option if we fired Thibs. Bring him back home!

[K_ick_God]

He wasn’t injured against the Hawks … he’s just not a good enough shooter or player to be a 1 or even a 2. He’s like a 2-4 on a team v flat after Ant and the Lakers are suddenly just thin and on the ropes

Also KAT at 6-13, 1-4, and poor turnovers / shots, there were a bunch, is not a good game. It’d be awful for Karl

He’s not worth the effort … he’s basically addition by subtraction … almost nothing will change my mind about that. He’s at best an occasional scoring threat with some huge red flags

We must be watching different games. His defense has been very good in this series. His playmaking has been huge for them and he’s scoring at an elite efficient rate.

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He’s 2-1 in his first playoff series that’s been half acceptable … literally and figuratively … and in one of the two wins Luka was nauseous

But if I was you, I’d also be claiming early victory lol

Smart strategy

We won the great state of Pennsylvania in 2020!

[K_ick_God]

If we compare this team to last year then we would have to compare it to the January24 team that was 14-2. Over the course of a season that's at least 60 wins conservatively. It was superior to what we have now:

OG
Randle
IHart
Donte
Brunson

bench:
Josh Hart
Grimes
Deuce
Mitch
Precious

I dont know if we could rebuild a roster that balanced and deep with our current assets again

Yeah, that was the best team I’ve seen from the Knicks since 2013. I don’t know if we’ll ever see a team like that ever again. We had a great balance of elite defense and offense

If we kept iHart you can see a situation where it’s better to keep Randle but I would still say no … take your chances on KAT / iHart front court

But the main loss was Hartenstein and not Julius

Let’s look at his season … wasnt bad. He did okay. Nothing great. Wolves fans were having chest pain watching him early

Looks like they’ll beat the Lakers who look slow and terrible … even if Luka comes back … wolves DO look good and Randle part of it

But if McDaniels goes off it’s a diff team

[WaltFrazier]

A lot of terrible people owe Randle an apology. He is ballin.

It would have been nice if he did the same in the playoffs for our team while he was here.

Crazy what being healthy will do for a guy

I wish he'd been healthy in last year's playoffs, come back from his shoulder around the time Mitch did. We would have beaten Philly easier, Indiana next, and lost to Boston in 5 or 6. That would have been a more satisfying run. Then the FO could have made a good evaluation on the off season. Might have still done the KAT deal.

[whocares1]

It would have been nice if he did the same in the playoffs for our team while he was here.

Crazy what being healthy will do for a guy

I wish he'd been healthy in last year's playoffs, come back from his shoulder around the time Mitch did. We would have beaten Philly easier, Indiana next, and lost to Boston in 5 or 6. That would have been a more satisfying run. Then the FO could have made a good evaluation on the off season. Might have still done the KAT deal.

Randle being an expiring contract is what made the deal really happen. Obviously Hartenstein leaving was huge but the fact that they were going to have to max Randle probably made them think they had to use him in a deal bc they probably didn’t want to max him.

[WaltFrazier]

What’s your thoughts on JVG as a Thibs replacement?

I would take him over Thibs, everyone on the Clippers is saying how much of a big role he's played in their success this year. I don't know how modern he's coaching, but if he's working with Lue, who is elite, he has to be an upgrade.

Yeah he would be my #1 option if we fired Thibs. Bring him back home!

The ideal to me would be a young new coach like Bryant, and JVG as lead assistant of defense like he is now. I think he's probably happy as an assistant at this stage, but then why would he leave LAC in a lateral move.

Maybe JVG as head coach if he hired a modern young offensive guru as assistant

[WaltFrazier]

Crazy what being healthy will do for a guy

I wish he'd been healthy in last year's playoffs, come back from his shoulder around the time Mitch did. We would have beaten Philly easier, Indiana next, and lost to Boston in 5 or 6. That would have been a more satisfying run. Then the FO could have made a good evaluation on the off season. Might have still done the KAT deal.

Randle being an expiring contract is what made the deal really happen. Obviously Hartenstein leaving was huge but the fact that they were going to have to max Randle probably made them think they had to use him in a deal bc they probably didn’t want to max him.

Yeah makes sense. I still wish we could have replaced iHart with a comparable C first. But then it's hard to do both Mikal and KAT deals.