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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1621 » by Idiosyncratic » Sat Apr 26, 2025 2:35 pm

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Was one of my bargain options in the offseason, probably just earned himself a bit more money.

Crazy to look at what Trent and Beasley signed for last offseason. You can definitely still find competent shooting for cheap, not us though, we are not allowed to have that.
Same. My top three targets were Klay, GTJ, and Hield


Those guys (and typically, those kind of guys) thrive next to a premier PG…otherwise, they’re just non-defending KCP or Caleb’s. We’d get the same shooting threat with more on-ball skill with Simons or CJ…which makes a lot more sense if they’re paired with Suggs instead of Dame or Curry or Kyrie or Cade.

I still like Simons a lot, leaving much of the playmaking with Franz & Paolo….but this year is also showing the value of ALSO having a pure PG on the roster, even just for a significant bench role- a better CoJo.


I do agree to an extent, they would probably be worse here, but at that price would have taken a chance on a guy like that and see how they fit.

All of these guys average a massive amount of three attempts regardless of who their PG is for their careers, and all have great percentages. Beasley in the 12 games Cade missed this year for instance averaged 19 a game on a 62 TS%. Agree they are flawed players, but when we talk about experimenting on the fringes for players that fit better, trying a player like this and seeing how it affected the defense while adding volume 3s would have made sense to me. Like if you could plug a guy like this in and have the defense not suffer much because Mosely's system is so good that would be a huge win regardless of PG situation IMO. Would have been nice to try out IMO.

Also I would be fine with Simons. I think expirings plus late 1st would be teetering on overpay, but maybe ultimately tolerable. He is coming off a pretty weak year and makes a lot. I would be way more comfortable dumping a 1st if we can lose some longterm money. We need him to clean up his shot selection and stick to threes because no way his shooting should be that low with his skillset. I am mostly pro adding Simons at this point though, decent PnR handler, shoot 10 3s a game here.
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1622 » by Skybox » Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:18 pm

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eyriq wrote:Same. My top three targets were Klay, GTJ, and Hield


Those guys (and typically, those kind of guys) thrive next to a premier PG…otherwise, they’re just non-defending KCP or Caleb’s. We’d get the same shooting threat with more on-ball skill with Simons or CJ…which makes a lot more sense if they’re paired with Suggs instead of Dame or Curry or Kyrie or Cade.

I still like Simons a lot, leaving much of the playmaking with Franz & Paolo….but this year is also showing the value of ALSO having a pure PG on the roster, even just for a significant bench role- a better CoJo.


I do agree to an extent, they would probably be worse here, but at that price would have taken a chance on a guy like that and see how they fit.

All of these guys average a massive amount of three attempts regardless of who their PG is for their careers, and all have great percentages. Beasley in the 12 games Cade missed this year for instance averaged 19 a game on a 62 TS%. Agree they are flawed players, but when we talk about experimenting on the fringes for players that fit better, trying a player like this and seeing how it affected the defense while adding volume 3s would have made sense to me. Like if you could plug a guy like this in and have the defense not suffer much because Mosely's system is so good that would be a huge win regardless of PG situation IMO. Would have been nice to try out IMO.

Also I would be fine with Simons. I think expirings plus late 1st would be teetering on overpay, but maybe ultimately tolerable. He is coming off a pretty weak year and makes a lot. I would be way more comfortable dumping a 1st if we can lose some longterm money. We need him to clean up his shot selection and stick to threes because no way his shooting should be that low with his skillset. I am mostly pro adding Simons at this point though, decent PnR handler, shoot 10 3s a game here.


There are high-volume guys out there that do more than just shoot 3's though...and I'm not sure why Simons is considered such a low value that a late frp is concerning. Nobody close to his offensive numbers and skillsets would cause that. I guess the expiring status should be a concern, but that's likely worked out before a trade is executed...the guy has AVERAGED over 20ppg, elite 3pt shooting volume & %, almost 5 assists for years and his dunk-contest athleticism and first step make him a lot more than just a sniper. He's got flaws, but he's a really impactful player, not just a rotation guy. If Mose & his teammates can do something with his 6'9 wingspan to improve his defensive rep to where it's not everyone's obsession...he's possibly an All-Star in the East.
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1623 » by Idiosyncratic » Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:52 pm

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Those guys (and typically, those kind of guys) thrive next to a premier PG…otherwise, they’re just non-defending KCP or Caleb’s. We’d get the same shooting threat with more on-ball skill with Simons or CJ…which makes a lot more sense if they’re paired with Suggs instead of Dame or Curry or Kyrie or Cade.

I still like Simons a lot, leaving much of the playmaking with Franz & Paolo….but this year is also showing the value of ALSO having a pure PG on the roster, even just for a significant bench role- a better CoJo.


I do agree to an extent, they would probably be worse here, but at that price would have taken a chance on a guy like that and see how they fit.

All of these guys average a massive amount of three attempts regardless of who their PG is for their careers, and all have great percentages. Beasley in the 12 games Cade missed this year for instance averaged 19 a game on a 62 TS%. Agree they are flawed players, but when we talk about experimenting on the fringes for players that fit better, trying a player like this and seeing how it affected the defense while adding volume 3s would have made sense to me. Like if you could plug a guy like this in and have the defense not suffer much because Mosely's system is so good that would be a huge win regardless of PG situation IMO. Would have been nice to try out IMO.

Also I would be fine with Simons. I think expirings plus late 1st would be teetering on overpay, but maybe ultimately tolerable. He is coming off a pretty weak year and makes a lot. I would be way more comfortable dumping a 1st if we can lose some longterm money. We need him to clean up his shot selection and stick to threes because no way his shooting should be that low with his skillset. I am mostly pro adding Simons at this point though, decent PnR handler, shoot 10 3s a game here.


There are high-volume guys out there that do more than just shoot 3's though...and I'm not sure why Simons is considered such a low value that a late frp is concerning. Nobody close to his offensive numbers and skillsets would cause that. I guess the expiring status should be a concern, but that's likely worked out before a trade is executed...the guy has AVERAGED over 20ppg, elite 3pt shooting volume & %, almost 5 assists for years and his dunk-contest athleticism and first step make him a lot more than just a sniper. He's got flaws, but he's a really impactful player, not just a rotation guy. If Mose & his teammates can do something with his 6'9 wingspan to improve his defensive rep to where it's not everyone's obsession...he's possibly an All-Star in the East.


Well yeah I would prefer someone who could handle the ball, I am more talking about last offseason if they wanted to keep with current Suggs/Franz/Paolo pg experiment I would have liked a volume 3 shooter for cheap to try for a year and see how they fit. Of course would prefer someone who can do more. This offseason I would prefer to add a 3 point shooter and a PG who can hopefully do both things.

On Simons... I don't really want to do the Simons debate anymore :lol: Thinking Mosley can hide him on D and that his 3 volume will greatly help us is a fine take IMO. I am sort of there, willing to try it for a year. I can't even discuss the athleticism or wingspan of a guy who cannot grab a rebound or contest a shot, I think that area is just chalked. On his trade value, he makes 28 million which is way above his value IMO, that to me alone should make his trade value pretty low off the rip. Blazers fans want to get rid of him and he had the lowest +/- on the entire team. Not sure there are a ton of suitors to bid against either, I just don't think the price should be very high, that is my opinion, I could be wrong.

Again willing to try him, no problem paying a bit to get him and see if he is worth extending at the end of the year. That extension would be pretty hard without dumping some future salary though, especially if they do use the MLE.
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1624 » by cedric76 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:54 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Grizz going to trade away Morant this summer and build around Pippen/Eddy/JJJ/Bane with all the draft capital/players they can get for him.


Maybe a Trae for JA trade might help both teams
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1625 » by pepe1991 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:30 pm

Deandre Hunter being traded for nothing still hurts my mind
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1626 » by CLosP » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:33 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Deandre Hunter being traded for nothing still hurts my mind


With Mobley getting this huge bonus from DPOY maybe somebody has to go as a result. Hell I wouldn’t even mind Strus for this team.
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1627 » by eyriq » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:36 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Deandre Hunter being traded for nothing still hurts my mind


With Mobley getting this huge bonus from DPOY maybe somebody has to go as a result. Hell I wouldn’t even mind Strus for this team.
This increases their risk of losing Jerome. MLE for Jerome seems like an interesting option to explore.
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1628 » by CLosP » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:38 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Deandre Hunter being traded for nothing still hurts my mind


With Mobley getting this huge bonus from DPOY maybe somebody has to go as a result. Hell I wouldn’t even mind Strus for this team.
This increases their risk of losing Jerome. MLE for Jerome seems like an interesting option to explore.


He would definitely be nice off the bench in what Cole Anthony should be lol.
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1629 » by pepe1991 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:41 pm

CLosP wrote:
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With Mobley getting this huge bonus from DPOY maybe somebody has to go as a result. Hell I wouldn’t even mind Strus for this team.
This increases their risk of losing Jerome. MLE for Jerome seems like an interesting option to explore.


He would definitely be nice off the bench in what Cole Anthony should be lol.


Ty Jerome would be best PG Magic had in past 15 years at least. At least.
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1630 » by CLosP » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:44 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
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eyriq wrote:This increases their risk of losing Jerome. MLE for Jerome seems like an interesting option to explore.


He would definitely be nice off the bench in what Cole Anthony should be lol.


Ty Jerome would be best PG Magic had in past 15 years at least. At least.


I hate to say this but that’s like breaking a track record at the Special Olympics.
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1631 » by pepe1991 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 6:53 pm

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He would definitely be nice off the bench in what Cole Anthony should be lol.


Ty Jerome would be best PG Magic had in past 15 years at least. At least.


I hate to say this but that’s like breaking a track record at the Special Olympics.

Still counts :oops:
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1632 » by zaymon » Sat Apr 26, 2025 7:14 pm

I wish we had as good of a front office as Miami Heat. Great young core. Many assets. I wish Weltman was as brilliant as old Riley.
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Post#1633 » by eyriq » Sat Apr 26, 2025 7:29 pm

zaymon wrote:I wish we had as good of a front office as Miami Heat. Great young core. Many assets. I wish Weltman was as brilliant as old Riley.
Now is our time. We run Florida.
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Post#1634 » by thelead » Sat Apr 26, 2025 8:22 pm

Cap room and timing has to be managed so well… instead of Ty we’re stuck with KCP. Honestly wouldn’t mind if we threw a $25-30 per deal at Ty… but we can’t. We can offer him the MLE but so can a lot of other teams.
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Post#1635 » by 3ddman23 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 8:36 pm

thelead wrote:Cap room and timing has to be managed so well… instead of Ty we’re stuck with KCP. Honestly wouldn’t mind if we threw a $25-30 per deal at Ty… but we can’t. We can offer him the MLE but so can a lot of other teams.


The key is can those other teams offer him a starting role?? And possiblity to be a top 4 team in a conference. He comes to Orlando he is the starting pg and Orlando if healthy is mostly like a top 4 team in east. He doesn't get that in Cleveland or many other teams.
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1636 » by pepe1991 » Sat Apr 26, 2025 8:41 pm

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thelead wrote:Cap room and timing has to be managed so well… instead of Ty we’re stuck with KCP. Honestly wouldn’t mind if we threw a $25-30 per deal at Ty… but we can’t. We can offer him the MLE but so can a lot of other teams.


The key is can those other teams offer him a starting role?? And possiblity to be a top 4 team in a conference. He comes to Orlando he is the starting pg and Orlando if healthy is mostly like a top 4 team in east. He doesn't get that in Cleveland or many other teams.


Nets can offer him max :lol:

But no, for real, Nets will need to fill up $100M in cap. They can add him as future asset and trade him down the line.
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Post#1637 » by Message Boar » Sat Apr 26, 2025 9:07 pm

Is this where I come to laugh at the heat for getting smoked in game 3, in contrast to how we fought and won?
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Re: Around the League: 2024-25 Season 

Post#1638 » by thelead » Sat Apr 26, 2025 9:24 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
3ddman23 wrote:
thelead wrote:Cap room and timing has to be managed so well… instead of Ty we’re stuck with KCP. Honestly wouldn’t mind if we threw a $25-30 per deal at Ty… but we can’t. We can offer him the MLE but so can a lot of other teams.


The key is can those other teams offer him a starting role?? And possiblity to be a top 4 team in a conference. He comes to Orlando he is the starting pg and Orlando if healthy is mostly like a top 4 team in east. He doesn't get that in Cleveland or many other teams.


Nets can offer him max :lol:

But no, for real, Nets will need to fill up $100M in cap. They can add him as future asset and trade him down the line.

If the nets land the #1 pick and add Ty and a few small pieces, they're going to be a playoff team within 2 years.
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Post#1640 » by CLosP » Sat Apr 26, 2025 11:13 pm

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