Around the NBA - 2024-25 Season Continued Continued

[Gravy]

the problem with this place is you have a lot of homers who don't really follow the rest of the league and really have no idea what they're talking about. find me a power ranking that has the knicks top 5 ? you won't find it.

You won’t find it any power ranking that has us in the top 5 right now. That guy is literally delusional but Thinks he’s objectively right lmfao

Somebody here said Towns is a top 5 player. They think our roster is comparable to Boston/Cle but Thibs is holding us back.

If our roster is not top 5 then Thibs must arguably be getting the most out of this team by achieving a top 5 record and they will never say that

[spree2kawhi]

You won’t find it any power ranking that has us in the top 5 right now. That guy is literally delusional but Thinks he’s objectively right lmfao

Well, I am objectively right

It must really hurt to lose yet again, I can only imagine… but your power rankings aren’t objective. What’s more, they have been established (subjectively) after we’ve played without Brunson for a month. That should only be a side-note though. He needed to get his legs back under him, so all you really have are subjective assessments of one of the worst moments of our season, certainly not of how good our roster is though.

I know you hate this team and you have been adamant about it like a little child. You want us to be bad. I’m very sorry for you. But objectively (and subjectively) this team isn’t really worse than Denver, Minnesota, the Lakers, Indiana and I don’t know who else you want to bring up. It is debatable, okay. Most importantly, however, we have actually had the fifth-best record despite playing without Brunson for an entire month late in the season.

[WargamesX]

nba.com

https://www.nba.com/news/power-rankings-2024-25-playoffs-first-round

they have the knicks 11th in their last ranking

This ranking feels funny they brought the Knicks down 10 points and the pistons up 13 points just so the ranking would go Knicks at 11 and Pistons at 12. That seems suspect and based on feeding into the playoff’s hype.

[spree2kawhi]

nba.com

https://www.nba.com/news/power-rankings-2024-25-playoffs-first-round

they have the knicks 11th in their last ranking

This ranking feels funny they brought the Knicks down 10 points and the pistons up 13 points just so the ranking would go Knicks at 11 and Pistons at 12. That seems suspect and based on feeding into the playoff’s hype.

It’s simply not objective and it’s furthermore based on our play without Brunson.

[JayTWill]

dame is not the same player he once was. it's not comparable. that being said he missed 30 games and they still almost have the same record as us. that's how good giannis is. he's the 3rd best player in the league, best in the conference, and brunson is top 10. the only other team with 2 top 10 players are the lakers and their supporting cast is mostly dogsh*t outside of reeves. having 2 top 1 players gives you a pretty good chance. it's a little work to fill out the roster but that's easier to figure out than getting 2 good enough stars to win it all. give me that every time.

Dame played 58 games. Brunson played 65. They put up almost identical numbers across the board with Brunson scoring 1 more point on 1.5 more shots and Lillard grabbing more rebounds with better shooting efficiency. I love Brunson but I see no reason to consider him a top 10 player if Lillard isn't.

The Knicks have struggled against the top 2 teams and the east and have had some struggles against the middle of the pack teams but the one team they have dominated is Milwaukee. I don't know why becoming more like the Bucks is a better path to success and that's ignoring there is a huge difference between the spacing Lopez provides over someone like Mitch. I assume Mitch stays since no one seemed interested in trading for him including as part of the KAT deal.

well, you're entitled to your opinion but everyone who reports on the league and ranks players would disagree with you.

the wolves didn't watch mitch because they have gobert and reid. plus he was gonna be injured for the year. why would they need another guy who can only play the 5 even if he wasn't ?

What makes Brunson a better fit than Dame with Giannis? We have seen simply pairing Brunson with a talented big doesn't improve his 2-man game. Brunson also loves to operate in the midrange whereas Dame is a higher volume 3 point shooter.

And I thought the same thing about the Wolves' center rotation but many Wolves fans wanted a better backup 5 as their defense was terrible with Reid at the 5 especially next to Randle. Maybe Reid has improved in that role as I haven't watched the Wolves since midseason. The reports also said Mitch was looked at as negative value around the league if you want to believe them.

[god shammgod]

those rankings are after game 1 of the playoffs. it's not without brunson.

[god shammgod]

nba.com

https://www.nba.com/news/power-rankings-2024-25-playoffs-first-round

they have the knicks 11th in their last ranking

This ranking feels funny they brought the Knicks down 10 points and the pistons up 13 points just so the ranking would go Knicks at 11 and Pistons at 12. That seems suspect and based on feeding into the playoff’s hype.

the only team i'd probably argue with is the pacers. the clippers with kawhi, the lakers with luka, the warriors with jimmy. i'm pretty sure all those teams have better records than we do since those trades/kawhi's return. if you want to be strictly objective.

[spree2kawhi]

those rankings are after game 1 of the playoffs. it's not without brunson.

It’s after Brunson played five games on a bum leg within one week and after missing an entire month. Game 1 was even one of those games. That is the actual context. And it goes without saying that this plays into these subjective rankings.

[spree2kawhi]

nba.com

https://www.nba.com/news/power-rankings-2024-25-playoffs-first-round

they have the knicks 11th in their last ranking

This ranking feels funny they brought the Knicks down 10 points and the pistons up 13 points just so the ranking would go Knicks at 11 and Pistons at 12. That seems suspect and based on feeding into the playoff’s hype.

the only team i'd probably argue with is the pacers. the clippers with a healthy kawhi, the lakers with luka, the warriors with jimmy. i'm pretty sure all those teams have better records than we do since those trades/kawhi's return. if you want to be strictly objective.

You mean when objectively we haven’t had Brunson for a month? Personally, I wouldn’t even bet on us against the Clippers, but it is what it is.

[god shammgod]

This ranking feels funny they brought the Knicks down 10 points and the pistons up 13 points just so the ranking would go Knicks at 11 and Pistons at 12. That seems suspect and based on feeding into the playoff’s hype.

the only team i'd probably argue with is the pacers. the clippers with a healthy kawhi, the lakers with luka, the warriors with jimmy. i'm pretty sure all those teams have better records than we do since those trades/kawhi's return. if you want to be strictly objective.

You mean when objectively we haven’t had Brunson for a month? Personally, I wouldn’t even bet on us against the Clippers, but it is what it is.

put our record with brunson against all the rest i mentioned. see the result.

edit. i did it for you -

knicks winning percentage is 61.54 with brunson this year
lakers with luka 64.29
clippers with kawhi 70.27
warriors with jimmy 76.67

objectively, we're worse. in an easier conference.

edit 2 - by the way, since you want it all this way, objectively it's an easier conference. that's not an opinion. the combined record of all the east teams win-loss is worse than the west. and head to head the west is better also.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The talk about this team is weird, you'd think this wasn't year 1 of it. Not only that, but some of the teams being named are going to get suplexed by the the luxury tax worse than us, it needs to be repeated over and over again the Celtics are set to be the most expensive team in American sports history, beating the previous record by nearly $170 million. Their luxury tax bill is going to be more expensive than our actual team

The Cavs are also going to lose Ty Jerome, he's an unrestricted free agent, that may not seem like much but he was a huge reason why they could scale back on Mitchell's minutes. The other teams, Clippers, Lakers, Warriors are either old or have a critical core player that is old. The Thunder are obviously the best set up team, but there's a window here where we will have a chance with 2-3 real cracks at it.

[spree2kawhi]

the only team i'd probably argue with is the pacers. the clippers with a healthy kawhi, the lakers with luka, the warriors with jimmy. i'm pretty sure all those teams have better records than we do since those trades/kawhi's return. if you want to be strictly objective.

You mean when objectively we haven’t had Brunson for a month? Personally, I wouldn’t even bet on us against the Clippers, but it is what it is.

put our record with brunson against all the rest i mentioned. see the result.

You’re going to great lengths to make the argument… that we did not actually finish fifth in the league, third in the East? Or shouldn’t have? But we did. You cannot change that. Or is it that you personally don’t find our roster very good? Objectively, that’s a lot of negativity man. What are you even doing here?

[god shammgod]

You mean when objectively we haven’t had Brunson for a month? Personally, I wouldn’t even bet on us against the Clippers, but it is what it is.

put our record with brunson against all the rest i mentioned. see the result.

You’re going to great lengths to make the argument… that we did not actually finish fifth in the league, third in the East? Or shouldn’t have? But we did. You cannot change that. Or is it that you personally don’t find our roster very good? Objectively, that’s a lot of negativity man. What are you even doing here?

this post right here is when you admitted you lost. nice talking to you.

[spree2kawhi]

the only team i'd probably argue with is the pacers. the clippers with a healthy kawhi, the lakers with luka, the warriors with jimmy. i'm pretty sure all those teams have better records than we do since those trades/kawhi's return. if you want to be strictly objective.

You mean when objectively we haven’t had Brunson for a month? Personally, I wouldn’t even bet on us against the Clippers, but it is what it is.

put our record with brunson against all the rest i mentioned. see the result.

edit. i did it for you -

knicks winning percentage is 61.54 with brunson this year
lakers with luka 64.29
clippers with kawhi 70.27
warriors with jimmy 76.67

objectively, we're worse. in an easier conference.

edit 2 - by the way, since you want it all this way, objectively it's an easier conference. that's not an opinion. the combined record of all the east teams win-loss is worse than the west. and head to head the west is better also.

No, objectively we are not worse. Objectively we finished fifth-best in the league. Since you want it all this way, they have merely had a better stretch.

You can take all that and go eat a sandwich, I don’t care. I’ll root for this team, you go somewhere and complain or whatever. I don’t like that you and that other hater have to do it here and during the playoff run, but nothing’s ever perfect. Have at it.

[god shammgod]

The talk about this team is weird, you'd think this wasn't year 1 of it. Not only that, but some of the teams being named are going to get suplexed by the the luxury tax worse than us, it needs to be repeated over and over again the Celtics are set to be the most expensive team in American sports history, beating the previous record by nearly $170 million. Their luxury tax bill is going to be more expensive than our actual team

The Cavs are also going to lose Ty Jerome, he's an unrestricted free agent, that may not seem like much but he was a huge reason why they could scale back on Mitchell's minutes. The other teams, Clippers, Lakers, Warriors are either old or have a critical core player that is old. The Thunder are obviously the best set up team, but there's a window here where we will have a chance with 2-3 real cracks at it.

well who knows what happens in the future. some teams get worse and some teams get better. that doesn't guarantee that we will. boston is going to lose someone eventually. that's true. but the spurs will get better. the rockets will probably make a trade and get better. it doesn't mean we're going up in the rankings.

sometimes, i'm disappointed in you because unlike a lot of people on here i know you know what you're talking about. but you cosign these guys who don't. you know this isn't a top 5 roster. boo this man

[spree2kawhi]

put our record with brunson against all the rest i mentioned. see the result.

You’re going to great lengths to make the argument… that we did not actually finish fifth in the league, third in the East? Or shouldn’t have? But we did. You cannot change that. Or is it that you personally don’t find our roster very good? Objectively, that’s a lot of negativity man. What are you even doing here?

this post right here is when you admitted you lost. nice talking to you.

I read that differently, see above. Again, I don’t even care about your negativity or how you want to see it.

[K_ick_God]

I’m content with KAT. And Bridges still has a shot to deliver. I’m not sure what your criteria are sham … stayed thinking Mitch was better than iHart, hated Randle and RJ. You don’t think KAT is very good. You loved Durant and thought he is great great. I never did.

I guess you think Giannis puts us over the top — I really doubt that.

The roster doesn’t seem to be jelling. The team seems iffy for sure. But I don’t get comparing other teams or whatever. I doubt they click but also think they went for it when they had assets and lost iHart.

Brunson is not a spring chicken but is an elite player.

You say we don’t understand power dynamics but can say the same about your Patience Motto when Brunson is elite and needs help. Not realistic to think they’ll sit on their hands.

[JayTWill]

The talk about this team is weird, you'd think this wasn't year 1 of it. Not only that, but some of the teams being named are going to get suplexed by the the luxury tax worse than us, it needs to be repeated over and over again the Celtics are set to be the most expensive team in American sports history, beating the previous record by nearly $170 million. Their luxury tax bill is going to be more expensive than our actual team

The Cavs are also going to lose Ty Jerome, he's an unrestricted free agent, that may not seem like much but he was a huge reason why they could scale back on Mitchell's minutes. The other teams, Clippers, Lakers, Warriors are either old or have a critical core player that is old. The Thunder are obviously the best set up team, but there's a window here where we will have a chance with 2-3 real cracks at it.

I agree with you but it is a bit concerning to have gone all in on this group that is all in their prime and currently in a battle with a Pistons team that is younger, has much more room to improve and will have a ton more cap space and assets available to get better than the Knicks have. Last year it was the Knicks just had to catch up to the Celtics. This year it is the Knicks just have to catch up to the Celtics and Cavs. Next year it could possibly be the Knicks just have to catch up to the Celtics, Cavs, Pistons or Magic or some other team. Who knows.

The Pistons jumped from the worst team in the league to being closer to the Knicks than the Knicks are to the top of the conference. We aren't only competing with the teams in front of us and i'm not sure how much room this team has to grow. We not only lack draft assets but we don't have a high upside young player on the team unless someone unexpectedly blossoms.

[spree2kawhi]

I’m content with KAT. And Bridges still has a shot to deliver. I’m not sure what your criteria are sham … stayed thinking Mitch was better than iHart, hated Randle and RJ. You don’t think KAT is very good. You loved Durant and thought he is great great. I never did.

I guess you think Giannis puts us over the top — I really doubt that.

The roster doesn’t seem to be jelling. The team seems iffy for sure. But I don’t get comparing other teams or whatever. I doubt they click but also think they went for it when they had assets and lost iHart.

Brunson is not a spring chicken but is an elite player.

You say we don’t understand power dynamics but can say the same about your Patience motto when Brunson is elite and needs help. Not realistic to think they’ll sit on their hands.

That’s simply someone being bitter. It’s pathetic, but I couldn’t care less.

[WaltFrazier]

Two straight horrible foul called on Kawhi. Ridiculous