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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#81 » by Brinbe » Sun Apr 27, 2025 12:24 pm

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mtcan wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5X1SipteJ9/

If this is what the teams get to see in workouts and the combine...he is going top 5. The dribbling, the shooting...it all looks good. It is a shame Duke didn't let him do this and relegated him to being a lob catcher. There is a skillset that he has been working on that most of us haven't seen in North America. Remember...he's been playing basketball for 5 years and can do this. Masai and Darko will unlock more. You can't not develop him as a Chet/Wemby-type of player. LOL at the Deandre Jordan comps made earlier on. DJ could never do this.


Every player at this level looks like this in a workout in a practice gym....Even the worst NBA players....And yes also other big men....Its how you look doing it in an actual game with legit defenders on you.....Khaman has not yet shown it so you can't assume he can play that style in an NBA Game vs open gym with no one defending him.

Every NBA level player in an open gym is going to look ridiculous because they are highly talented to make it to that level but i will believe it when i see it on the court....If he does show it in 5 on 5 in workouts though with decent defenders on him no doubt he has a chance to go top 5.


This is lazy analysis. He didn't do these things because he was held to a very tight role at Duke. And the entire point is that he potentially offers versatility to his game and that matters when talking about prospects at the next level, especially a defensive big. His entire game also doesn't hinge on these facets, it's just a multiplier.

Simply put, how many people on Earth are his size and have his agility? People make comparisons to guys like Thabeet and others and it's so shallow. Those guys were absolute stiffs in comparison and didn't move anything like he does.

As is, he has already produced at a high level of efficiency in the NCAA as a lob-threat and inside finisher. But if you pair that with someone that can potentially pop in addition to rolling to the bucket, how do you even account for that as a defense? Especially if you have IQ/Walter/Ingram spacing the floor.

Also consider his offensive rebounding rate and FT percentage and those are all additional plus positive traits for a big that should translate over to the next level.

And that's not even accounting for his defense and shot deterence which could be all-nba level and which should play even better playing as a backstopper alongside Scottie and others. Has he been perfect? Of course not. And has he had bad games? No doubt. But that's not any reason why you ignore all the good too. That's the entire point of watching these guys over the course of a season.







Watching the playoffs makes it even more clear that players like Maluach that can defend and can't be played off the floor because of his potential shooting/defensive versatility/FT percentage isn't something you can overlook. A more athletic Zubac with the ability to stretch it from 3 is a pretty good player to potentially have.

The fact that he can be eased along behind Yak before throwing him in as a starter is even more reason why we should really consider him.
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Post#83 » by Tripod » Sun Apr 27, 2025 1:30 pm

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Every player at this level looks like this in a workout in a practice gym....Even the worst NBA players....And yes also other big men....Its how you look doing it in an actual game with legit defenders on you.....Khaman has not yet shown it so you can't assume he can play that style in an NBA Game vs open gym with no one defending him.

Every NBA level player in an open gym is going to look ridiculous because they are highly talented to make it to that level but i will believe it when i see it on the court....If he does show it in 5 on 5 in workouts though with decent defenders on him no doubt he has a chance to go top 5.

Ben Simmons summer videos knocking down 3's with ease is the perfect example.

Regarding Maluach....if we take him he might not be allowed to get back into the US. He won't go for that especially if his sister is living there. And what are we going to do...draft him and only get 41 home games out of him on his contract and "hope" the visa threats go away?

I just don't see the Raps taking that risk. But fwiw, I would like a big dude inside to combat other teams that can throw size at us.

That's where my hesitation with Queen comes in. Yeah he could bully some college guys since he is older and has extra weight on, but in the NBA, is he the one getting bullied, especially if he loses some weight getting in better shape.

Queens lack of size and shooting is going to be a problem. The Rockets won't win a championship with Sengun for a similar reason. I also don't think they're the same quality of prospects and give Sengun a big edge.

Maluach might drop from a projected 4-6th to us because of visa issues. If the potential is there in work outs I would jump on it. Develop him similar to how we are with Chomche. At that point he could get a Canadian PR or citizenship. It's a lot easier to immigrate in Canada than the US and it would bolster our national team.

We have a serious big man talent gap and the only meaningful way it can be addressed is a good trade or draft pick. Maluach could be the C of the future once Poeltl ages out (a lot of time left there)

Great point on getting a Canadian citizenship...had not thought of that. That would be ideal....and yes, adding him to the National team is a nice bonus.

If we did grab him, agreed on the Chomche route. I would want him getting 905 mins next year but spot minutes as the #3C. I would still look to add a #2C stopgap.

And for sure we want to re-sign Yak so Maluach could be the backup years 2,3,4 and then take over. Learning from Yak would be great for his development.

Funny...in 4 years they "could" have a pair of 23 year old C's with 4/5 years under their belt and still have a decade of their primes to come. Wouldn't that be nice to have for a change.
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Post#84 » by Psubs » Sun Apr 27, 2025 1:49 pm

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Tripod wrote:Ben Simmons summer videos knocking down 3's with ease is the perfect example.

Regarding Maluach....if we take him he might not be allowed to get back into the US. He won't go for that especially if his sister is living there. And what are we going to do...draft him and only get 41 home games out of him on his contract and "hope" the visa threats go away?

I just don't see the Raps taking that risk. But fwiw, I would like a big dude inside to combat other teams that can throw size at us.

That's where my hesitation with Queen comes in. Yeah he could bully some college guys since he is older and has extra weight on, but in the NBA, is he the one getting bullied, especially if he loses some weight getting in better shape.

Queens lack of size and shooting is going to be a problem. The Rockets won't win a championship with Sengun for a similar reason. I also don't think they're the same quality of prospects and give Sengun a big edge.

Maluach might drop from a projected 4-6th to us because of visa issues. If the potential is there in work outs I would jump on it. Develop him similar to how we are with Chomche. At that point he could get a Canadian PR or citizenship. It's a lot easier to immigrate in Canada than the US and it would bolster our national team.

We have a serious big man talent gap and the only meaningful way it can be addressed is a good trade or draft pick. Maluach could be the C of the future once Poeltl ages out (a lot of time left there)

Great point on getting a Canadian citizenship...had not thought of that. That would be ideal....and yes, adding him to the National team is a nice bonus.

If we did grab him, agreed on the Chomche route. I would want him getting 905 mins next year but spot minutes as the #3C. I would still look to add a #2C stopgap.

And for sure we want to re-sign Yak so Maluach could be the backup years 2,3,4 and then take over. Learning from Yak would be great for his development.

Funny...in 4 years they "could" have a pair of 23 year old C's with 4/5 years under their belt and still have a decade of their primes to come. Wouldn't that be nice to have for a change.


I mean, I'd rather have Maluach than Castleton or Robinson but he needs a lot of 905 time like Chomche to expand his game to a full schedule against better pros.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#85 » by Indeed » Sun Apr 27, 2025 1:50 pm

Brinbe wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
mtcan wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5X1SipteJ9/

If this is what the teams get to see in workouts and the combine...he is going top 5. The dribbling, the shooting...it all looks good. It is a shame Duke didn't let him do this and relegated him to being a lob catcher. There is a skillset that he has been working on that most of us haven't seen in North America. Remember...he's been playing basketball for 5 years and can do this. Masai and Darko will unlock more. You can't not develop him as a Chet/Wemby-type of player. LOL at the Deandre Jordan comps made earlier on. DJ could never do this.


Every player at this level looks like this in a workout in a practice gym....Even the worst NBA players....And yes also other big men....Its how you look doing it in an actual game with legit defenders on you.....Khaman has not yet shown it so you can't assume he can play that style in an NBA Game vs open gym with no one defending him.

Every NBA level player in an open gym is going to look ridiculous because they are highly talented to make it to that level but i will believe it when i see it on the court....If he does show it in 5 on 5 in workouts though with decent defenders on him no doubt he has a chance to go top 5.


This is lazy analysis. He didn't do these things because he was held to a very tight role at Duke. And the entire point is that he potentially offers versatility to his game and that matters when talking about prospects at the next level, especially a defensive big. His entire game also doesn't hinge on these facets, it's just a multiplier.

Simply put, how many people on Earth are his size and have his agility? People make comparisons to guys like Thabeet and others and it's so shallow. Those guys were absolute stiffs in comparison and didn't move anything like he does.

As is, he has already produced at a high level of efficiency in the NCAA as a lob-threat and inside finisher. But if you pair that with someone that can potentially pop in addition to rolling to the bucket, how do you even account for that as a defense? Especially if you have IQ/Walter/Ingram spacing the floor.

Also consider his offensive rebounding rate and FT percentage and those are all additional plus positive traits for a big that should translate over to the next level.

And that's not even accounting for his defense and shot deterence which could be all-nba level and which should play even better playing as a backstopper alongside Scottie and others. Has he been perfect? Of course not. And has he had bad games? No doubt. But that's not any reason why you ignore all the good too. That's the entire point of watching these guys over the course of a season.







Watching the playoffs makes it even more clear that players like Maluach that can defend and can't be played off the floor because of his potential shooting/defensive versatility/FT percentage isn't something you can overlook. A more athletic Zubac with the ability to stretch it from 3 is a pretty good player to potentially have.

The fact that he can be eased along behind Yak before throwing him in as a starter is even more reason why we should really consider him.

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Post#86 » by tecumseh18 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 1:51 pm

Brinbe wrote:Has he been perfect? Of course not. And has he had bad games? No doubt. But that's not any reason why you ignore all the good too. That's the entire point of watching these guys over the course of a season.



Yeah, can't forget Tyrus Thomas embarrassing LMA in the Louisiana-Texas game early in the 2006 tournament. Or Franz Wagner's Michigan team going out in the first round in 2021 after his bad game. I'm not a college basketball watcher, but even I remember those examples.

If Raptors move up to 3 or 4, do we pick Ace or Maluach?
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Post#88 » by Psubs » Sun Apr 27, 2025 2:08 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
Brinbe wrote:Has he been perfect? Of course not. And has he had bad games? No doubt. But that's not any reason why you ignore all the good too. That's the entire point of watching these guys over the course of a season.



Yeah, can't forget Tyrus Thomas embarrassing LMA in the Louisiana-Texas game early in the 2006 tournament. Or Franz Wagner's Michigan team going out in the first round in 2021 after his bad game. I'm not a college basketball watcher, but even I remember those examples.

If Raptors move up to 3 or 4, do we pick Ace or Maluach?


If move up to 3 or 4, trade down. :lol: Say #4 and #39 to San Antonio for #8 and #14.
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Post#89 » by CoinTossRoss31 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 2:11 pm

Psubs wrote:
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Brinbe wrote:Has he been perfect? Of course not. And has he had bad games? No doubt. But that's not any reason why you ignore all the good too. That's the entire point of watching these guys over the course of a season.



Yeah, can't forget Tyrus Thomas embarrassing LMA in the Louisiana-Texas game early in the 2006 tournament. Or Franz Wagner's Michigan team going out in the first round in 2021 after his bad game. I'm not a college basketball watcher, but even I remember those examples.

If Raptors move up to 3 or 4, do we pick Ace or Maluach?


If move up to 3 or 4, trade down. :lol: Say #4 and #39 to San Antonio for #8 and #14.


Personally I believe #4 should get you #8 and #14 without giving up our second.
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Post#90 » by djsunyc » Sun Apr 27, 2025 2:18 pm

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if masai takes maluach then you trust it and go from there.

i really don't think we have much competition for him if that's our guy.

this is how i see it for teams ahead of us:

utah won't take him 1-4.
wiz won't take him 1-5 (they have sarr).
cha could take him at 6.
pels could take him 6-7.
bkn could take him at 6-9 but less likely (they have claxton)

any of those teams pick 1-3, they won't take him.

teams below us will only pick above us if they win the lotto so none of them will take him 1-3.

basically, our only real competition for him may be cha/pels and that's only if they drop a few spots and i don't see bkn taking him when they have many other needs. he's such a project that i don't think those teams can afford taking a guy and waiting. we can.

if he's our guy, then we can get him wherever we pick.
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Post#91 » by ArthurVandelay » Sun Apr 27, 2025 2:30 pm

djsunyc wrote:
Indeed wrote:


if masai takes maluach then you trust it and go from there.

i really don't think we have much competition for him if that's our guy.

this is how i see it for teams ahead of us:

utah won't take him 1-4.
wiz won't take him 1-5 (they have sarr).
cha could take him at 6.
pels could take him 6-7.
bkn could take him at 6-9 but less likely (they have claxton)

any of those teams pick 1-3, they won't take him.

teams below us will only pick above us if they win the lotto so none of them will take him 1-3.

basically, our only real competition for him may be cha/pels and that's only if they drop a few spots and i don't see bkn taking him when they have many other needs. he's such a project that i don't think those teams can afford taking a guy and waiting. we can.

if he's our guy, then we can get him wherever we pick.


Outside Raptors, I don’t see Maluach selected before maybe Houston (9), Chicago (12), or Atlanta (13). Chicago or Atlanta seems like his ceiling and floor tbh.
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Post#92 » by Buff » Sun Apr 27, 2025 2:47 pm

djsunyc wrote:
Indeed wrote:


if masai takes maluach then you trust it and go from there.

i really don't think we have much competition for him if that's our guy.

this is how i see it for teams ahead of us:

utah won't take him 1-4.
wiz won't take him 1-5 (they have sarr).
cha could take him at 6.
pels could take him 6-7.
bkn could take him at 6-9 but less likely (they have claxton)

any of those teams pick 1-3, they won't take him.

teams below us will only pick above us if they win the lotto so none of them will take him 1-3.

basically, our only real competition for him may be cha/pels and that's only if they drop a few spots and i don't see bkn taking him when they have many other needs. he's such a project that i don't think those teams can afford taking a guy and waiting. we can.

if he's our guy, then we can get him wherever we pick.


hopefully but I do worry all this talk would be moot and he won't be available at our pick. May 12th can not come soon enough
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Post#93 » by Duffman100 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 2:59 pm

Saw a mock today that had us taken Egor.

This guy feels high on my don't draft list (that means little I'm often wrong). But the poor shot and meh athleticism has me concerned.
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Post#96 » by LoveMyRaps » Sun Apr 27, 2025 3:34 pm

List of players Masai is confirmed to have scouted:

- Dylan Harper
- Ace Bailey
- Nolan Traore
- Hugo Gonzalez
- Rasheer Fleming


who else? feel like I'm missing a name or two.
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Post#97 » by Clutch0z24 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 3:35 pm

Brinbe wrote:
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mtcan wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5X1SipteJ9/

If this is what the teams get to see in workouts and the combine...he is going top 5. The dribbling, the shooting...it all looks good. It is a shame Duke didn't let him do this and relegated him to being a lob catcher. There is a skillset that he has been working on that most of us haven't seen in North America. Remember...he's been playing basketball for 5 years and can do this. Masai and Darko will unlock more. You can't not develop him as a Chet/Wemby-type of player. LOL at the Deandre Jordan comps made earlier on. DJ could never do this.


Every player at this level looks like this in a workout in a practice gym....Even the worst NBA players....And yes also other big men....Its how you look doing it in an actual game with legit defenders on you.....Khaman has not yet shown it so you can't assume he can play that style in an NBA Game vs open gym with no one defending him.

Every NBA level player in an open gym is going to look ridiculous because they are highly talented to make it to that level but i will believe it when i see it on the court....If he does show it in 5 on 5 in workouts though with decent defenders on him no doubt he has a chance to go top 5.


This is lazy analysis. He didn't do these things because he was held to a very tight role at Duke. And the entire point is that he potentially offers versatility to his game and that matters when talking about prospects at the next level, especially a defensive big. His entire game also doesn't hinge on these facets, it's just a multiplier.

Simply put, how many people on Earth are his size and have his agility? People make comparisons to guys like Thabeet and others and it's so shallow. Those guys were absolute stiffs in comparison and didn't move anything like he does.

As is, he has already produced at a high level of efficiency in the NCAA as a lob-threat and inside finisher. But if you pair that with someone that can potentially pop in addition to rolling to the bucket, how do you even account for that as a defense? Especially if you have IQ/Walter/Ingram spacing the floor.

Also consider his offensive rebounding rate and FT percentage and those are all additional plus positive traits for a big that should translate over to the next level.

And that's not even accounting for his defense and shot deterence which could be all-nba level and which should play even better playing as a backstopper alongside Scottie and others. Has he been perfect? Of course not. And has he had bad games? No doubt. But that's not any reason why you ignore all the good too. That's the entire point of watching these guys over the course of a season.







Watching the playoffs makes it even more clear that players like Maluach that can defend and can't be played off the floor because of his potential shooting/defensive versatility/FT percentage isn't something you can overlook. A more athletic Zubac with the ability to stretch it from 3 is a pretty good player to potentially have.

The fact that he can be eased along behind Yak before throwing him in as a starter is even more reason why we should really consider him.


Sure....All could be said about many bigs drafted before Maluach that "If he does this he could become that".....I personally think hes being over hyped and over rated around this board by some users like the many big men prospects before him and i think he won't give out the production that many believe.....Does that mean he will not be productive at all....No....But i think people are going to expect him to be something he is not and ultimitly disappointed at the end of the day...Especially if hes a top pick after a year of tanking...

If you're expecting anything more than a P&R Lob threat that can protect the rim decently....You are prolly going to be a little disappointed....Thats his game....He will never be a player that will catch the ball on the block and finesse the defenders, He does not have a handle to where you would give him the ball in an NBA game and let him go to work, He has zero passing game, He does not have a face up game, Post moves are very minimal (Mostly jump hooks), His shot while not broken its not close to being developed yet in game action. (Not even mid range jumpshots being showed)

Not trying to bring Maluach down just trying to put in perspective to everyone that wants to draft him over some of the more skilled players in this draft....He is not at that skill level atm and it is still a "If he develops this, He can become that" type of player" ....And if we are at 7 i feel there are better players prolly still on the board...Also this Visa thing is a little sketchy....Big chance that makes Raptors shy away from drafting him. But we will see..
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Post#98 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun Apr 27, 2025 3:37 pm

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Post#99 » by Dalek » Sun Apr 27, 2025 3:40 pm

I am glad Maluach can stay in the draft but I doubt Toronto would be a good landing spot given the visa issue with South Sudan. He is better off in the US. We don't want a player who may be ineligible.

I am out on Derik Queen after watching more film that shows how he settles for bad shots and takes plays off on defense. He reminds me of the frustrating parts of Scottie where he just loses focus or gives up on plays. He puts up great numbers but no doubt in my mind he is a tweener who isn't enough defensively to be a C. He needs a lot of help around him.

I like CMB and Fleming more and I am undecided on Thomas Sorber because of the leg injury - too risky.
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Post#100 » by Clutch0z24 » Sun Apr 27, 2025 3:46 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:List of players Masai is confirmed to have scouted:

- Dylan Harper
- Ace Bailey
- Nolan Traore
- Hugo Gonzalez
- Rasheer Fleming


who else? feel like I'm missing a name or two.


He scouted Derik Queen 3 times according to a X post he was seen at 3 Maryland games this year.
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