2025 draft class

[Samurai]

During the draft, fine. I don't like it, but I get it. I would DEFINITELY have taken Logan Brown over Bergen, but at that point, no big deal. But then GO GET WHOEVER IS YOUR HIGHEST RATED OT AFTER THE DRAFT!!! All it costs is pennies on the dollar in a signing bonus. Find someone, anyone, to compete/develop. We have nothing in the pipeline.

Bergen was apparently selected because of a huge push from our new Special Teams coordinator Brant Boyer. Niners were one of only 13 teams to attend the Montana pro day and Boyer fell in love with Bergen. And given that all last season, my hope was just to catch a punt without fumbling and any yards gained on a return was just a cherry on top, I get that it could be advantageous to have a legit return threat. So my bigger quibble is taking a QB, Kurtis Rourke, over Brown or pretty much any OT. Kyle already has his crush in Mac Jones on the roster; I can't understand why another QB was needed there instead of an OT. That was the biggest head scratcher to me.

[Pattersonca65]

Can Collins or West play G?

Odds are, they didn't draft a single OLineman that will make the roster. That is just unreal. I sure would like to know what their short term vision/plan for the OL is, because they damn sure don't have a tangible long term one.

Shanahan puts a low priority on oline. With the exception of Puni and McGlinch they think they can address the oline wth 5th round or less draft picks are UDFA. They lost two olinrmen this year to FA and they are going to address the vacancies with a late 7th rounder and UDFAs

[clyde21]

During the draft, fine. I don't like it, but I get it. I would DEFINITELY have taken Logan Brown over Bergen, but at that point, no big deal. But then GO GET WHOEVER IS YOUR HIGHEST RATED OT AFTER THE DRAFT!!! All it costs is pennies on the dollar in a signing bonus. Find someone, anyone, to compete/develop. We have nothing in the pipeline.

Bergen was apparently selected because of a huge push from our new Special Teams coordinator Brant Boyer. Niners were one of only 13 teams to attend the Montana pro day and Boyer fell in love with Bergen. And given that all last season, my hope was just to catch a punt without fumbling and any yards gained on a return was just a cherry on top, I get that it could be advantageous to have a legit return threat. So my bigger quibble is taking a QB, Kurtis Rourke, over Brown or pretty much any OT. Kyle already has his crush in Mac Jones on the roster; I can't understand why another QB was needed there instead of an OT. That was the biggest head scratcher to me.

tbh i'm always in favor of kicking tires on a QB late in the draft so not a huge deal for me (I personally would've gone w/ Brady Cook but whatever).

i do question overall strategy when it comes to Brock at this point, we did bring in Mac which is widely known that Kyle really likes, and we draft Rourke, and on top of it we don't invest in the OL at all in the class. signs point to we don't want to give 60m to Brock.

[clyde21]

i know it's a **** longshot for a UDFA but Drew Moss looks really good to me, they should give him some reps at C and see what happens. both him and Connor Colby are RAS/short shuttle freaks which this team likes.

i'm not too worried about the interior tbh, Brendel sucks but I like Bartch and Puni around him.

i'm MUCH more worried about swing tackle. it's literally just Trent and McKivitz. Kyle talked about Buford and Pleasants being swing tackle backups but we're one 37 year olds ankle away from having by far the worst tackle room in the league.

[Pattersonca65]

During the draft, fine. I don't like it, but I get it. I would DEFINITELY have taken Logan Brown over Bergen, but at that point, no big deal. But then GO GET WHOEVER IS YOUR HIGHEST RATED OT AFTER THE DRAFT!!! All it costs is pennies on the dollar in a signing bonus. Find someone, anyone, to compete/develop. We have nothing in the pipeline.

Bergen was apparently selected because of a huge push from our new Special Teams coordinator Brant Boyer. Niners were one of only 13 teams to attend the Montana pro day and Boyer fell in love with Bergen. And given that all last season, my hope was just to catch a punt without fumbling and any yards gained on a return was just a cherry on top, I get that it could be advantageous to have a legit return threat. So my bigger quibble is taking a QB, Kurtis Rourke, over Brown or pretty much any OT. Kyle already has his crush in Mac Jones on the roster; I can't understand why another QB was needed there instead of an OT. That was the biggest head scratcher to me.

tbh i'm always in favor of kicking tires on a QB late in the draft so not a huge deal for me (I personally would've gone w/ Brady Cook but whatever).

i do question overall strategy when it comes to Brock at this point, we did bring in Mac which is widely known that Kyle really likes, and we draft Rourke, and on top of it we don't invest in the OL at all in the class. signs point to we don't want to give 60m to Brock.

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Brock is going to get get somewhere between $50 and $59. I dont think anything that has transpired has anything to do with Brock. This is more about Kyle thinking he can do more with lesd

[Pattersonca65]

i know it's a **** longshot for a UDFA but Drew Moss looks really good to me, they should give him some reps at C and see what happens. both him and Connor Colby are RAS/short shuttle freaks which this team likes.

i'm not too worried about the interior tbh, Brendel sucks but I like Bartch and Puni around him.

i'm MUCH more worried about swing tackle. it's literally just Trent and McKivitz. Kyle talked about Buford and Pleasants being swing tackle backups but we're one 37 year olds ankle away from having by far the worst tackle room in the league.

We all liked what we saw from Bartch but it was a really amall sample size. Kyle will probably roll with Brendal again and we will see mediocrity again

[Ballerkingn23]

I like the players not the value of certain picks. I think though our best value pick was CJ West. I think a lot of GM's were taking prb a lot of OT and that allowed him to fall. Also given this is a deep DT draft some might slip through the cracks. Luckily the 9ers got him because with everyone else we got he's going to have great production from where we got him.

But I have questions bout the limited OT drafting, but i'll talk about that in another thread.

[clyde21]

Bergen was apparently selected because of a huge push from our new Special Teams coordinator Brant Boyer. Niners were one of only 13 teams to attend the Montana pro day and Boyer fell in love with Bergen. And given that all last season, my hope was just to catch a punt without fumbling and any yards gained on a return was just a cherry on top, I get that it could be advantageous to have a legit return threat. So my bigger quibble is taking a QB, Kurtis Rourke, over Brown or pretty much any OT. Kyle already has his crush in Mac Jones on the roster; I can't understand why another QB was needed there instead of an OT. That was the biggest head scratcher to me.

tbh i'm always in favor of kicking tires on a QB late in the draft so not a huge deal for me (I personally would've gone w/ Brady Cook but whatever).

i do question overall strategy when it comes to Brock at this point, we did bring in Mac which is widely known that Kyle really likes, and we draft Rourke, and on top of it we don't invest in the OL at all in the class. signs point to we don't want to give 60m to Brock.

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Brock is going to get get somewhere between $50 and $59. I dont think anything that has transpired has anything to do with Brock. This is more about Kyle thinking he can do more with lesd

then the team has no strategy, because the team

1) doesn't prioritize OL, and when they do they prioritize run-blockers first
2) prioritize running over passing
3) just loaded up on defense

just overall strategy if I tell you we're a run-first, defensive team or that's what we want to be. why are we paying an above average QB $60m in this scenario? if we do then the same just has bad grant strategy.

but I am tired of talking about Brock's contract, if they give him that much money it just wouldnt make any sense to me give that they don't seem to give a **** about protecting their QB.

[clyde21]

i don't care about these post draft grade stuff because half the time they're hilariously wrong but funny reference point moving forward

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[Samurai]

i don't care about these post draft grade stuff because half the time they're hilariously wrong but funny reference point moving forward

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Mel Kiper gave the Niners draft a grade of B. Not sure either one is correct and no way to really know until we get a few years into the future.

[Jikkle]

i don't care about these post draft grade stuff because half the time they're hilariously wrong but funny reference point moving forward

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The grades are silly because nobody has played a pro snap and most grades are based around value and they base value off their own metrics.

The simple fact of the matter is value becomes less important after the draft because it's either the player is on your roster and contributing or they aren't. Value doesn't completely get thrown out the window because we obviously have much higher standards for Mykel Williams than we do Nick Martin but if Martin ends up being a good starter for us nobody is going to care that he was graded out as a 5th rounder that got taken in the 3rd.

In fact for the sake of argument let's say Martin is Greenlaw 2.0 it's going to seem smart that we took him in the 3rd because the 9ers probably weren't the only team that had him ranked higher than the draftniks.

[Jikkle]

i don't care about these post draft grade stuff because half the time they're hilariously wrong but funny reference point moving forward

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And this was from Sharp Football last year where we had the 5th least valuable draft to highlight how dumb the value and reach thing can be because most would consider the 9ers 2024 one of the better ones in the league.

[Samurai]

i know it's a **** longshot for a UDFA but Drew Moss looks really good to me, they should give him some reps at C and see what happens. both him and Connor Colby are RAS/short shuttle freaks which this team likes.

i'm not too worried about the interior tbh, Brendel sucks but I like Bartch and Puni around him.

i'm MUCH more worried about swing tackle. it's literally just Trent and McKivitz. Kyle talked about Buford and Pleasants being swing tackle backups but we're one 37 year olds ankle away from having by far the worst tackle room in the league.

Moss could be one of those guys who may not be the most attractive lineman to other, or even most teams, due to his short (32 inch) arms. But given how his strength is in his mobility (4.58 short shuttle puts him in the 92nd percentile) he may be a very good fit for our outside zone blocking scheme. Plus he also played RT for 2 years and we need our back-up linemen to have that type of versatility. I don't think he's ever played C but he's smart (academic all district honoree in high school) and has the body type to play C. I'm sure someone can show him how to snap the ball in practices.

[vvoland]

i know it's a **** longshot for a UDFA but Drew Moss looks really good to me, they should give him some reps at C and see what happens. both him and Connor Colby are RAS/short shuttle freaks which this team likes.

i'm not too worried about the interior tbh, Brendel sucks but I like Bartch and Puni around him.

i'm MUCH more worried about swing tackle. it's literally just Trent and McKivitz. Kyle talked about Buford and Pleasants being swing tackle backups but we're one 37 year olds ankle away from having by far the worst tackle room in the league.

Moss could be one of those guys who may not be the most attractive lineman to other, or even most teams, due to his short (32 inch) arms. But given how his strength is in his mobility (4.58 short shuttle puts him in the 92nd percentile) he may be a very good fit for our outside zone blocking scheme. Plus he also played RT for 2 years and we need our back-up linemen to have that type of versatility. I don't think he's ever played C but he's smart (academic all district honoree in high school) and has the body type to play C. I'm sure someone can show him how to snap the ball in practices.

So we got Trent, puni, and big Mac locked in and the starters. I'm hoping we have someone to challenge Brendal but that sounds like a nonstarter for Kyle. That means we have bartch, moss, Colby, burfict fighting for the other guard and the swing tackle spots. Plus last year's pics and PS guys. That's super shallow and one injury, especially at tackle, probably kills the offense. Both C and G are "cheap" in FA and draft value. If they knew they were gonna skip OL in the draft, wish the brought in a top C or a solid veteran G

[vvoland]

Would've loved this draft if they added at least one premium pick for the OL so I'll go with I really liked this draft.

I will say like I did in the other thread if you weren't going to add an OL at least you used those picks to go all in on attacking a major weakness so that does ease the sting a bit. Would've been a way bigger crime if was like in years past where we were spending 3rd rounders on K, RBs, and TE2s.

I'm also a fan of the approach in this draft. We all knew run defense was a massive issue and instead of adding a guy or two that would improve it from bad to being maybe mediocre they went all in and it might be a legit strength towards the end of the season once the rookies develop.

BUT what makes it frustrating is they don't put the same kinda energy in the offensive line. I mean imagine if they decided one draft to use 3 out of their first 4 picks on offensive line. Like a 1st, 3rd, and a 4th and turn it from being below average to being at least above average.

I would not be surprised if we do this next year, especially if it's an average tackle/guard class or better. Decent chance Trent is on his last leg and Colton isn't very good. I could see us going tackle/tackle/center in our first 4 picks next year.

[clyde21]

Would've loved this draft if they added at least one premium pick for the OL so I'll go with I really liked this draft.

I will say like I did in the other thread if you weren't going to add an OL at least you used those picks to go all in on attacking a major weakness so that does ease the sting a bit. Would've been a way bigger crime if was like in years past where we were spending 3rd rounders on K, RBs, and TE2s.

I'm also a fan of the approach in this draft. We all knew run defense was a massive issue and instead of adding a guy or two that would improve it from bad to being maybe mediocre they went all in and it might be a legit strength towards the end of the season once the rookies develop.

BUT what makes it frustrating is they don't put the same kinda energy in the offensive line. I mean imagine if they decided one draft to use 3 out of their first 4 picks on offensive line. Like a 1st, 3rd, and a 4th and turn it from being below average to being at least above average.

I would not be surprised if we do this next year, especially if it's an average tackle/guard class or better. Decent chance Trent is on his last leg and Colton isn't very good. I could see us going tackle/tackle/center in our first 4 picks next year.

They'll never do that as long as Kyle is the coach

[clyde21]

Our track record picking against consensus is terrible, galaxy brain stuff

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[Pattersonca65]

tbh i'm always in favor of kicking tires on a QB late in the draft so not a huge deal for me (I personally would've gone w/ Brady Cook but whatever).

i do question overall strategy when it comes to Brock at this point, we did bring in Mac which is widely known that Kyle really likes, and we draft Rourke, and on top of it we don't invest in the OL at all in the class. signs point to we don't want to give 60m to Brock.

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Brock is going to get get somewhere between $50 and $59. I dont think anything that has transpired has anything to do with Brock. This is more about Kyle thinking he can do more with lesd

then the team has no strategy, because the team

1) doesn't prioritize OL, and when they do they prioritize run-blockers first
2) prioritize running over passing
3) just loaded up on defense

just overall strategy if I tell you we're a run-first, defensive team or that's what we want to be. why are we paying an above average QB $60m in this scenario? if we do then the same just has bad grant strategy.

but I am tired of talking about Brock's contract, if they give him that much money it just wouldnt make any sense to me give that they don't seem to give a **** about protecting their QB.

You are preaching to the choir, lol and most 49er fans feel that way about the oline. Shanahan's preference for that type of lineman goes back to his father and really back to Walsh who preferred lighter and athletic lineman. Problem is DTs are bigger and stronger today. Lynch and Shanahan's response about not drafting a lineman basically was that it didn't work out. Really what they were saying was they couldn't get anyone off their draft list so they choose to just ignore it all together in the end. What we saw this year are the 49ers really haven't changed their draft strategy. They will reach for players to ensure that they get them. Lynch said they tried to trade up Williams. Unnecessary.

[Pattersonca65]

i don't care about these post draft grade stuff because half the time they're hilariously wrong but funny reference point moving forward

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If you follow the redraft grades on ESPN it shows just how wrong they are.

[clyde21]

You are preaching to the choir, lol and most 49er fans feel that way about the oline. Shanahan's preference for that type of lineman goes back to his father and really back to Walsh who preferred lighter and athletic lineman. Problem is DTs are bigger and stronger today. Lynch and Shanahan's response about not drafting a lineman basically was that it didn't work out. Really what they were saying was they couldn't get anyone off their draft list so they choose to just ignore it all together in the end. What we saw this year are the 49ers really haven't changed their draft strategy. They will reach for players to ensure that they get them. Lynch said they tried to trade up Williams. Unnecessary.

i think my point is there is no point in paying $60m a pop to a QB that we're not willing to protect on a real level, and instead investing into becoming more of a run-first and defensive team.

these two things just don't reconcile. which is fine, I'd much rather be a running team paying its QB mid tier money than a running team paying its QB top tier money.