The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[Slim Charless]

Need Detroit to win this i think. KD won't go there but he will go to NYC and getting them involved in the trade derby will be better for us. Even if they have 0 to offer IMO, just having them in the talks is good.

[Slim Charless]

Also, on paper a KD for Ja trade makes sense for both teams. Or Booker for J³

In reality, MEM would never do the 1st one and we would never do the 2nd one.

What about a 3 team trade though wherein:

- Memphis gets Dejounte Murray/ KD/a pick.
- New Orleans gets Morant/ Allen/ a pick.
- Phoenix gets Zion/ young pieces/ picks.
Obviously more parts to put together, but something along those lines??

In theory that sounds good but Murray tore his achilles remember? He's probably out all next year and might never be the same. Durant did the same I know, but Murray is no Durant.....

I like the idea though, getting Zion and picks for KD is fine by me. I am still of the opinion that healthy Zion is the perfect to play next to Booker for the rest of his career. HEALTHY being the key word of course.

[BobbieL]

Also, on paper a KD for Ja trade makes sense for both teams. Or Booker for J³

In reality, MEM would never do the 1st one and we would never do the 2nd one.

What about a 3 team trade though wherein:

- Memphis gets Dejounte Murray/ KD/a pick.
- New Orleans gets Morant/ Allen/ a pick.
- Phoenix gets Zion/ young pieces/ picks.
Obviously more parts to put together, but something along those lines??

In theory that sounds good but Murray tore his achilles remember? He's probably out all next year and might never be the same. Durant did the same I know, but Murray is no Durant.....

I like the idea though, getting Zion and picks for KD is fine by me. I am still of the opinion that healthy Zion is the perfect to play next to Booker for the rest of his career. HEALTHY being the key word of course.

I don't mind the fit next to Booker but health is the key

If the Knicks lose - they might be upping the ante for Durant

[Ghost of Kleine]

Also, on paper a KD for Ja trade makes sense for both teams. Or Booker for J³

In reality, MEM would never do the 1st one and we would never do the 2nd one.

What about a 3 team trade though wherein:

- Memphis gets Dejounte Murray/ KD/a pick.
- New Orleans gets Morant/ Allen/ a pick.
- Phoenix gets Zion/ young pieces/ picks.
Obviously more parts to put together, but something along those lines??

In theory that sounds good but Murray tore his achilles remember? He's probably out all next year and might never be the same. Durant did the same I know, but Murray is no Durant.....

I like the idea though, getting Zion and picks for KD is fine by me. I am still of the opinion that healthy Zion is the perfect to play next to Booker for the rest of his career. HEALTHY being the key word of course.

Great point about Murray's Achilles. I wonder if a Beal for Murray/ Olynyk/ Hawkins or Alvarado trade would be something they'd consider if Beal was Amenable to going there?

Otherwise maybe just a Zion/ picks deal?

[BobbieL]

What about a 3 team trade though wherein:

- Memphis gets Dejounte Murray/ KD/a pick.
- New Orleans gets Morant/ Allen/ a pick.
- Phoenix gets Zion/ young pieces/ picks.
Obviously more parts to put together, but something along those lines??

In theory that sounds good but Murray tore his achilles remember? He's probably out all next year and might never be the same. Durant did the same I know, but Murray is no Durant.....

I like the idea though, getting Zion and picks for KD is fine by me. I am still of the opinion that healthy Zion is the perfect to play next to Booker for the rest of his career. HEALTHY being the key word of course.

Great point about Murray's Achilles. I wonder if a Beal for Murray/ Olynyk/ Hawkins or Alvarado trade would be something they'd consider if Beal was Amenable to going there?

Otherwise maybe just a Zion/ picks deal?

Looking at the Pelicans long term cap - maybe the Pelicans take a flier because three years of Murray + one year of Olynyk equals two years of Beal . Add in Alvarado - its slight savings. But they would get a boat load of cap space in the summer of 2027. Right now in the summer of 2027, they would have $120 committed to four players- but if they take on Beal for 2026/27 - they would gain $33m of Murray

Now, is Murray the right player for the Suns - I just am not sure

I still think the best thing for the Suns is to ride out Beal -- take your medicine, try to move Allen and O'Neale for expirings by the summer of 2027, get picks from Durant trade, maybe a young player and start building up again
Whether Booker likes that or not -- if he has $149m more - he is good with
Ishbia takes that offer off the table - my guess, he WILL be open to to atrade

[Ghost of Kleine]

Bell isn't trash but there's a 0.00% chance that the Rockets will take him lol. Our best deal chance-as I keep saying, is to Philly for PG13. Then hope for something small on top of it for taking the deal. A pick or 2. Maybe McCain if somehow things go bad there and Embiid+Beal make it happen is probably the peak.

Houston already has Beal in Jalen Green....and a younger version of both of them in Cam Whitmore. The latter of which I would LOVE to have as he is an absolute bucket. Unfortunately for him, Whitmore can't get any love from Ime.

I'd look for an Orlando trade with Beal as they really need scoring and a big name guard to sell fans on. Beal would be a perfect offensive compliment at SG to the elite defensive physical Suggs at PG, and if we were willing to take some bad unwanted contracts back in maybe say KCP, Anthony, and some meaningless salary fillers such as Harris and Josephs,

Then, I'd have to think they'd likely do it for sure! And we should be able to pull another key defensive piece like Isaac (my primary target in this trade premise) from the deal to allow the magic to maintain cap flexibility post trade.

And I believe Beal would actually agree to this trade too because of his college connections to Florida, the warm weather, the chance to be a top option and the overall fit allowing him to just focus on scoring and opening up the floor for Banchero and Wagner! Overall an ideal fit!

Same problem - only KCP is a really bad long term deal. They would be taking on a lot of money for Beal. And personally, I don't think Beal is worth giving up more assets to trade.

Buy him out or just waive him or keep him... trades that include Beal would not be beneficial to the Suns

The magic view him as a bad contract at 21 million because he can't score well enough anymore. ut I do believe that he expires at the exact same time as Beal in 27.

So the important consideration in this package for us would be:

- KCP 21 million ( expiring in 27).
- Cole Anthony 13 million (Team option) for 27.
- Gary Harris 7 million expiring.
- Cory Josephs 3 million expiring.
J Isaac 15 million partially guaranteed.

So essentially, we'd still end up with (IF we choose to) $44 million in cap space for 27 free agency. Possibly more with any other moves too. But still keeping Isaac with would be tremendous for us defensively!

Altogether, not a bad trade for either team really. And the monetary exchange can els out any money they would be taking on actually if also including Isaac coming back.

Basically cumulative filler salaries equaling around $54 million incoming and $59 million outgoing to us! So Orlando would actually be saving $4 million in the deal for next season.
Orlando gets an elite star scoring option and big name guard in Beal who played college ball there.

And Phoenix breaks up Beal's contract into a bunch of smaller deals (none with a NTC) and gets a target centerpiece multipositional defender back in Isaac. We can now focus on becoming more competitive next season through a KD trade while having $44 million + come off our books in 27 to use in free agency. More too if we choose to pursue that in a KD trade.

[BobbieL]

I'd look for an Orlando trade with Beal as they really need scoring and a big name guard to sell fans on. Beal would be a perfect offensive compliment at SG to the elite defensive physical Suggs at PG, and if we were willing to take some bad unwanted contracts back in maybe say KCP, Anthony, and some meaningless salary fillers such as Harris and Josephs,

Then, I'd have to think they'd likely do it for sure! And we should be able to pull another key defensive piece like Isaac (my primary target in this trade premise) from the deal to allow the magic to maintain cap flexibility post trade.

And I believe Beal would actually agree to this trade too because of his college connections to Florida, the warm weather, the chance to be a top option and the overall fit allowing him to just focus on scoring and opening up the floor for Banchero and Wagner! Overall an ideal fit!

Same problem - only KCP is a really bad long term deal. They would be taking on a lot of money for Beal. And personally, I don't think Beal is worth giving up more assets to trade.

Buy him out or just waive him or keep him... trades that include Beal would not be beneficial to the Suns

The magic view him as a bad contract at 21 million because he can't score well enough anymore. ut I do believe that he expires at the exact same time as Beal in 27.

So the important consideration in this package for us would be:

- KCP 21 million ( expiring in 27).
- Cole Anthony 13 million (Team option) for 27.
- Gary Harris 7 million expiring.
- Cory Josephs 3 million expiring.
J Isaac 15 million partially guaranteed.

So essentially, we'd still end up with (IF we choose to) $44 million in cap space for 27 free agency. Possibly more with any other moves too. But still keeping Isaac with would be tremendous for us defensively!

Altogether, not a bad trade for either team really. And the monetary exchange can els out any money they would be taking on actually if also including Isaac coming back.

Basically cumulative filler salaries equaling around $54 million incoming and $59 million outgoing to us! So Orlando would actually be saving $4 million in the deal for next season.
Orlando gets an elite star scoring option and big name guard in Beal who played college ball there.

And Phoenix breaks up Beal's contract into a bunch of smaller deals (none with a NTC) and gets a target centerpiece multipositional defender back in Isaac. We can now focus on becoming more competitive next season through a KD trade while having $44 million + come off our books in 27 to use in free agency. More too if we choose to pursue that in a KD trade.

A lot of those deals for the magic are club options - so they would be getting cap space earlier without the commitment of one big time contract

I like the philosophy, I just don't see the Magic doing it. I can see the Pelicans doing the deal more - but not sure the Suns should.

I think the Suns need to get a semblance of normalcy with their cap structure. Move Durant and take back contracts that expire sooner rather than later. Really aim for the summer of 2027.
I know Ishbia doesn't want to do this but does he want to win a title or just look the part.

[lilfishi22]

Things to keep in mind / remember

Beal has major negative value. Teams acquiring him are stuck with a massive cap hit and if it doesn't work, they're screwed (like us).
Kel'el Ware is likely untouchable. Even in a Durant trade

Ware is invisible so far against the Cavs. And I understand that "bigs take longer to develop" lol but you guys are talking about him like he is putting 20/10 in his sleep.

I have seen so many interesting Cs (Wiseman/Bagley/Bamba comes to my mind) not improving his game for years and years. I would be cautious about him.

He's young, he's huge, he's skilled and he's talented. You're right, he may end up doing nothing but he's still worth taking a punt on

[lilfishi22]

With Myers it's not about the money. Ishbia can oay him whatever he wants. It's just impossible to imagine he'd want to join the organization that will never give him full authonomy and power to make all the core decisions without constant meddling and backseating from the owner.

100%

Myers would probably command whatever $$$ he wants from any organisation that wants him. Ishbia might still be able to out-pay them but at a point, money will no longer be the deciding factor for him but rather the situation he's going into and whether he thinks he'll have a big enough voice to action change.

[lilfishi22]

All the love with the potential KD trades will make suns worse. And since the suns don't own their own picks it is stupid to think that this will help the suns long term

Suns will be worse even if we do nothing. The goal is to regain some draft capital so we can at least open up that avenue to rebuild.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Same problem - only KCP is a really bad long term deal. They would be taking on a lot of money for Beal. And personally, I don't think Beal is worth giving up more assets to trade.

Buy him out or just waive him or keep him... trades that include Beal would not be beneficial to the Suns

The magic view him as a bad contract at 21 million because he can't score well enough anymore. ut I do believe that he expires at the exact same time as Beal in 27.

So the important consideration in this package for us would be:

- KCP 21 million ( expiring in 27).
- Cole Anthony 13 million (Team option) for 27.
- Gary Harris 7 million expiring.
- Cory Josephs 3 million expiring.
J Isaac 15 million partially guaranteed.

So essentially, we'd still end up with (IF we choose to) $44 million in cap space for 27 free agency. Possibly more with any other moves too. But still keeping Isaac with would be tremendous for us defensively!

Altogether, not a bad trade for either team really. And the monetary exchange can els out any money they would be taking on actually if also including Isaac coming back.

Basically cumulative filler salaries equaling around $54 million incoming and $59 million outgoing to us! So Orlando would actually be saving $4 million in the deal for next season.
Orlando gets an elite star scoring option and big name guard in Beal who played college ball there.

And Phoenix breaks up Beal's contract into a bunch of smaller deals (none with a NTC) and gets a target centerpiece multipositional defender back in Isaac. We can now focus on becoming more competitive next season through a KD trade while having $44 million + come off our books in 27 to use in free agency. More too if we choose to pursue that in a KD trade.

A lot of those deals for the magic are club options - so they would be getting cap space earlier without the commitment of one big time contract

I like the philosophy, I just don't see the Magic doing it. I can see the Pelicans doing the deal more - but not sure the Suns should.

I think the Suns need to get a semblance of normalcy with their cap structure. Move Durant and take back contracts that expire sooner rather than later. Really aim for the summer of 2027.
I know Ishbia doesn't want to do this but does he want to win a title or just look the part.

Yeah, I'm aware. That's why I chose them as matching salary fillers in a Beal trade because it would allow us to have options from acquiring them to generate that 44 million in cap space. Some of it earlier (around 11 million) if we so choose to do. But in swapping outbequivalent salary for Beal's 54 million, the Magic would still maintain around $8 million under the 2nd apron.

But again, the Magic's interest in this is in acquiring Beal to advance their scoring/ offensive output and make a deeper playoff run. And they probably understand that Beal could do that at a much higher level than any of their cumulative lesser contracted players or anyone they might land in free agency for $8 million. Now I'm fine with keeping Beal for 27 free agency myself. But I'm unconvinced Ishbia would ever be that patient or responsible.

So might as well explore the possibilities.

[BobbieL]

The magic view him as a bad contract at 21 million because he can't score well enough anymore. ut I do believe that he expires at the exact same time as Beal in 27.

So the important consideration in this package for us would be:

- KCP 21 million ( expiring in 27).
- Cole Anthony 13 million (Team option) for 27.
- Gary Harris 7 million expiring.
- Cory Josephs 3 million expiring.
J Isaac 15 million partially guaranteed.

So essentially, we'd still end up with (IF we choose to) $44 million in cap space for 27 free agency. Possibly more with any other moves too. But still keeping Isaac with would be tremendous for us defensively!

Altogether, not a bad trade for either team really. And the monetary exchange can els out any money they would be taking on actually if also including Isaac coming back.

Basically cumulative filler salaries equaling around $54 million incoming and $59 million outgoing to us! So Orlando would actually be saving $4 million in the deal for next season.
Orlando gets an elite star scoring option and big name guard in Beal who played college ball there.

And Phoenix breaks up Beal's contract into a bunch of smaller deals (none with a NTC) and gets a target centerpiece multipositional defender back in Isaac. We can now focus on becoming more competitive next season through a KD trade while having $44 million + come off our books in 27 to use in free agency. More too if we choose to pursue that in a KD trade.

You are correct about that
Ishbia would be patient one day.. and the "next day" would do something that isn't patient and much worse
Hopefully he hires a GM like Myers that maybe he would listen too
A lot of those deals for the magic are club options - so they would be getting cap space earlier without the commitment of one big time contract

I like the philosophy, I just don't see the Magic doing it. I can see the Pelicans doing the deal more - but not sure the Suns should.

I think the Suns need to get a semblance of normalcy with their cap structure. Move Durant and take back contracts that expire sooner rather than later. Really aim for the summer of 2027.
I know Ishbia doesn't want to do this but does he want to win a title or just look the part.

Yeah, I'm aware. That's why I chose them as matching salary fillers in a Beal trade because it would allow us to have options from acquiring them to generate that 44 million in cap space. Some of it earlier (around 11 million) if we so choose to do. But in swapping outbequivalent salary for Beal's 54 million, the Magic would still maintain around $8 million under the 2nd apron.

But again, the Magic's interest in this is in acquiring Beal to advance their scoring/ offensive output and make a deeper playoff run. And they probably understand that Beal could do that at a much higher level than any of their cumulative lesser contracted players or anyone they might land in free agency for $8 million. Now I'm fine with keeping Beal for 27 free agency myself. But I'm unconvinced Ishbia would ever be that patient or responsible.

So might as well explore the possibilities.

[Puff]

This thread needs to be named to the "Three Amigos". The are the guys who will repeat the same argument over and over and over and over until someday, when they find out they are wrong at just about everything. Then they will call everyone else dumb along with our management. That somehow will make them happy. Have a nice summer.

[Sunsdeuce]

All the love with the potential KD trades will make suns worse. And since the suns don't own their own picks it is stupid to think that this will help the suns long term

Suns will be worse even if we do nothing. The goal is to regain some draft capital so we can at least open up that avenue to rebuild.

He’s worried about the suns only winning 32 games if they trade KD, as opposed to 36 wins if the suns keep KD.

Yeah I’m pretty the vast majority of people here would rather be bad with assets to try and rebuild than to be bad with KD with n assets and no hope for winning anything.

But 36 wins are really important to some people.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

[Ghost of Kleine]

This thread needs to be named to the "Three Amigos". The are the guys who will repeat the same argument over and over and over and over until someday, when they find out they are wrong at just about everything. Then they will call everyone else dumb along with our management. That somehow will make them happy. Have a nice summer.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

Man! I wish the NBA media would quit reading my thoughts.......lol! J/K of course.

[TeamTragic]

James Jones will stick around in the front office per WT.

[BobbieL]

Read on Twitter

Giannis heading to Brooklyn this summer?

If Dame is out the year - Giannis may want out

[BobbieL]

All the love with the potential KD trades will make suns worse. And since the suns don't own their own picks it is stupid to think that this will help the suns long term

Suns will be worse even if we do nothing. The goal is to regain some draft capital so we can at least open up that avenue to rebuild.

He’s worried about the suns only winning 32 games if they trade KD, as opposed to 36 wins if the suns keep KD.

Yeah I’m pretty the vast majority of people here would rather be bad with assets to try and rebuild than to be bad with KD with n assets and no hope for winning anything.

But 36 wins are really important to some people.

My guess that’s Ishbia’s theory