The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[lilfishi22]

Suns will be worse even if we do nothing. The goal is to regain some draft capital so we can at least open up that avenue to rebuild.

He’s worried about the suns only winning 32 games if they trade KD, as opposed to 36 wins if the suns keep KD.

Yeah I’m pretty the vast majority of people here would rather be bad with assets to try and rebuild than to be bad with KD with n assets and no hope for winning anything.

But 36 wins are really important to some people.

My guess that’s Ishbia’s theory

I'm not so sure. I don't think he has a number of wins in his head but I do think he's been hit with a dose of reality after the past two seasons of trending downwards. We'll see what he ends up doing this offseason which will better inform us of his thinking and maybe I'm giving him undue credit but I just can't see how anyone can have spent this much money and draft capital to build a team that doesn't make play-ins and still continue to take the same approach again.

[lilfishi22]

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That sucks for Dame and the Bucks

[lilfishi22]

James Jones will stick around in the front office per WT.

The Phoenix Suns are looking to restructure their front office before deciding on a new head coach to replace Mike Budenholzer, according to Jake Fischer of The People's Insider.

James Jones is currently leading the search for the next head coach of the team.

Jones' role in the search could mean that he's asked to stay with the Suns with a new front office in place.

The Suns have been linked with Bob Myers as the President of Basketball Operations.

This was what I had thought as a possibility. Jones sticking around but taking on a smaller role in practice despite not having a title change. Bringing in Myers (probably unlikely) or some other POBO to be the true decision maker in the front office.

[thamadkant]

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That sucks for Dame and the Bucks

Ishiba should ring Bucks for a KD and Beal trade, bringing back Dame and Giannis on the Suns...

Dame can then sit out 2 years and come back focused as a floor leader and play maker, slash 3pt bomber.... his isolation scoring days are done.

[sunsbg]

Just another reminder it's not smart to build around aging players. Making the finals with CP3 before he broke down was a cool story but more an exception.

[Saberestar]

James Jones will stick around in the front office per WT.

I like it.

I think Ishbia will bring a new GM that will be really good managing personal relationships to facilitate things between all the different departments in the organization.

I think James Jones is good for basketball operations and probably Bartelstein for business stuff, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bartelstein is out of the Suns next year or relegated to an smaller role in the organization.

[Saberestar]

Another day, another trade idea lol.

Lakers. KD.
What do you think about trading KD to the Lakers for...

2031 unprotected FRP.
Rights to swap 2026, 2028 and 2030 FRPs.
2nd in 2025 (#55).

Bryan Reaves ($14M, $15M)
Rui Hachimura ($18M expiring)
Vincent ($11M expiring)
Knetch ($4M, rookie contract)
Milton ($3M, salary filler)

The idea would be to get draft capital AND a borderline All-Star player entering his prime like Reaves.

We get Hachimura who is an starter level player and a good backup PG in Vincent.

I would trade Knetch + pick + filler for a good defensive frontcourt player. Mark Williams, Wendell Carter Jr, Claxton...

Not in love with the idea but it could make sense if we get lowball offers from others teams and KD wants badly to go to LA. I hope not.

[bullsaficianado]

I feel bad for Dame, likely a torn achilles and there was not even any contact it just happened. Add Doc Rivers to soon to be available head coaches. They will definitely fire him when they lose to Pacers which looks very likely now.

No to trading Durant to Lakers, Pelinka will weasel the Suns.

[schnakenpopanz]

All the love with the potential KD trades will make suns worse. And since the suns don't own their own picks it is stupid to think that this will help the suns long term

Suns will be worse even if we do nothing. The goal is to regain some draft capital so we can at least open up that avenue to rebuild.

He’s worried about the suns only winning 32 games if they trade KD, as opposed to 36 wins if the suns keep KD.

Yeah I’m pretty the vast majority of people here would rather be bad with assets to try and rebuild than to be bad with KD with n assets and no hope for winning anything.

But 36 wins are really important to some people.

It is quite the contradiction. If you can not get your own picks, there is no point in being bad on your own terms if you don't own your picks.
If i would be Houston, I would keep these picks no matter what.

[Fo-Real]

I feel bad for Dame, likely a torn achilles and there was not even any contact it just happened. Add Doc Rivers to soon to be available head coaches. They will definitely fire him when they lose to Pacers which looks very likely now.

No to trading Durant to Lakers, Pelinka will weasel the Suns.

I feel bad for him personally but he can wipe his tears with 58 mil next year and 63 mil the following year as he rehabs. I would trade places with him.

[Djedefre]

Yeah, but a ridiculous amount of that money is eaten up by taxes. Lillard himself has a bit over 30 mil if i calculated it right. Not saying i pity his poor income, but just saying for general perspective.

[King4Day]

I feel bad for Dame, likely a torn achilles and there was not even any contact it just happened. Add Doc Rivers to soon to be available head coaches. They will definitely fire him when they lose to Pacers which looks very likely now.

No to trading Durant to Lakers, Pelinka will weasel the Suns.

I think the Lakers will offer the same package they made for Williams, for KD for the most part.

I have no doubt the Lakers backed out of that trade because they got cold feet and figured they could get more back for the same number of assets.

As for Dame, that's scary. Any hope of trading him now is out the window. He's out for next season for sure. Maybe next years offseason will give him enough time to recover for the start of '26-27. Sucks.

A reason it's good we missed the playoffs. Anything can happen in the offseason as we've seen before but Dame just tore his achilles in a postseason where they already had no chance to win.

[BobbieL]

I feel bad for Dame, likely a torn achilles and there was not even any contact it just happened. Add Doc Rivers to soon to be available head coaches. They will definitely fire him when they lose to Pacers which looks very likely now.

No to trading Durant to Lakers, Pelinka will weasel the Suns.

I think the Lakers will offer the same package they made for Williams, for KD for the most part.

I have no doubt the Lakers backed out of that trade because they got cold feet and figured they could get more back for the same number of assets.

As for Dame, that's scary. Any hope of trading him now is out the window. He's out for next season for sure. Maybe next years offseason will give him enough time to recover for the start of '26-27. Sucks.

A reason it's good we missed the playoffs. Anything can happen in the offseason as we've seen before but Dame just tore his achilles in a postseason where they already had no chance to win.

the Durant market could get a little bigger
I think Houston and Miami are for sure
Minnesota - who knows - they are probably beating the Lakers

As for the Bucks -- I thinkl we all have the PERFECT replacement for Dame Lillard in Milwaukee - they make basically the same amount of money

[Slim Charless]

I feel bad for Dame, likely a torn achilles and there was not even any contact it just happened. Add Doc Rivers to soon to be available head coaches. They will definitely fire him when they lose to Pacers which looks very likely now.

No to trading Durant to Lakers, Pelinka will weasel the Suns.

I think the Lakers will offer the same package they made for Williams, for KD for the most part.

I have no doubt the Lakers backed out of that trade because they got cold feet and figured they could get more back for the same number of assets.

As for Dame, that's scary. Any hope of trading him now is out the window. He's out for next season for sure. Maybe next years offseason will give him enough time to recover for the start of '26-27. Sucks.

A reason it's good we missed the playoffs. Anything can happen in the offseason as we've seen before but Dame just tore his achilles in a postseason where they already had no chance to win.

the Durant market could get a little bigger
I think Houston and Miami are for sure
Minnesota - who knows - they are probably beating the Lakers

As for the Bucks -- I thinkl we all have the PERFECT replacement for Dame Lillard in Milwaukee - they make basically the same amount of money

Bucks are cooked. Gianni has to ask out. They're rooting for BRK to get #1 so they can leverage him for Flagg.

Also no. I would not trade them Beal for Dame. He tore his Achilles and is done for all of next year at age 35. He's signed for like 3 more years too. That is now the worst contract in the league. Worse than Beal and worse than PG13.

MIL better pray that BRK has good lotto luck.

[BobbieL]

I think the Lakers will offer the same package they made for Williams, for KD for the most part.

I have no doubt the Lakers backed out of that trade because they got cold feet and figured they could get more back for the same number of assets.

As for Dame, that's scary. Any hope of trading him now is out the window. He's out for next season for sure. Maybe next years offseason will give him enough time to recover for the start of '26-27. Sucks.

A reason it's good we missed the playoffs. Anything can happen in the offseason as we've seen before but Dame just tore his achilles in a postseason where they already had no chance to win.

the Durant market could get a little bigger
I think Houston and Miami are for sure
Minnesota - who knows - they are probably beating the Lakers

As for the Bucks -- I thinkl we all have the PERFECT replacement for Dame Lillard in Milwaukee - they make basically the same amount of money

Bucks are cooked. Gianni has to ask out. They're rooting for BRK to get #1 so they can leverage him for Flagg.

Also no. I would not trade them Beal for Dame. He tore his Achilles and is done for all of next year at age 35. He's signed for like 3 more years too. That is now the worst contract in the league. Worse than Beal and worse than PG13.

MIL better pray that BRK has good lotto luck.

Oh I thought Dame was done in 2027... if thats the case - forget that nonsense

Bucks are done... Giannis needs to be traded.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I'm sure this has already been confirmed and is being discussed, but I'd think the Bu is will have to now fall under 1 of 2 categories. Either desperate to find replacement talent to try to convince Giannis to stay, or they'll concede him leaving and opt to rebuild?

Which of those two situations could be better for us in some capacity?

[thamadkant]

Heat will most likely throw a haul for Giannis now.
Cool off KD.

[Slim Charless]

Heat will most likely throw a haul for Giannis now.
Cool off KD.

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I'm sure this has already been confirmed and is being discussed, but I'd think the Bu is will have to now fall under 1 of 2 categories. Either desperate to find replacement talent to try to convince Giannis to stay, or they'll concede him leaving and opt to rebuild?

Which of those two situations could be better for us in some capacity?

I wonder if Giannis being out there is better or worse for us.

On one hand you say, all these teams will offer the world for him but on that same note the teams that don't get him might wanna pivot and try and get KD. Kind of like an arms race.

Miami has 0 chance at him BTW, they have cannot get him at all. It's BRK/HOU/SAS and maybe OKC I think.

[Slim Charless]

On another note, good job Ishbia. That package we offered to BRK for Durant could've been saved and sent to MIL to pair Booker and Giannis.