PG Indy: Bucks on the brink

[BroncoBuck]

Again, I would like to see the math behind this. the bucks lost $14m last year and probably will lose money this year. Someone can do the actually break down, but I got to imagine the difference between trading Giannis and relieving salary over the next two years versus trying to compete with Giannis has to be $100-150m a year when factoring in salary, tax penalty and tax distribution to non tax payers. Like $100m is probably their max ticket sales for a year ($150*41*17,000). You can't 'tickets and jerseys' your way to nine figures.

Lol. Who says they lost money?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/02/14/cnbcs-official-nba-team-valuations-2025.html

-Why Lasry got out. he explicitly said on podcasts he wasn't going to support a non profitable team
-talked to a couple different people connected with the organization that there has been multiple capital calls.

I don't think people realize how much money we are shelling out in salaries and tax. it's insane. 1/4 billion dollars.

....and if you are going to go the route of "but they make it up in the team valuation"
1. the teams valuation already has Giannis factored in and that is only for 2-5 more years
2. the spike was a one-time thing for tv contracts. you aren't going continue to see valuation jumps. herb could've put his money in the s&p 500 for a 1/4 of a decade and made money than he did with the Bucks.

Same reason the buy in price for the expansion teams is going to be so high. Owners don’t want to split the tv revenue into more slices, they want a massive payout up front to make up for the future losses.

The expansion team buy in is going to be closer to that Celtics valuation for that reason alone.

[soxperry]

I refuse to believe that i just watched Giannis's last game in Milwaukee.

I also have no idea how we fix this.

[BroncoBuck]

Still would’ve been better off banking on him being healthy rather than this abomination of a trade.

But at least we got under the second apron. If you’re gonna suck, may as well minimise the tax.

Khris immediately got hurt again in Washington. He was never going to get healthy. He didn’t play a single game over 30 minutes this season.

If we kept Khris AND Dame tore his Achilles we’d be in an even worse situation than we are now. We’d have 89 million dollars tied up to two guys who literally cannot play basketball next season and we wouldn’t have the means to do anything in free agency.

Wizards fan here

Khris didn’t get hurt. He was sat down for tanking purposes. He was helping win too many games.

My man, he busted his knee and had to get an MRI. He shot 27% from 3 in Washington. They were blown out in the last 4 games he played with the last one being a 53 point loss to this Pacers team.

[wallus]

He is Glenn until he learns to coach like an actual NBA coach.

[aboveAverage]

When Giannis won his first MVP at age 24. I thought the Bucks would be clowning the league when Giannis was around 30 and at the peak of his prime.

The Bucks really screwed this up.

It’s really difficult to sustain a dynasty in today’s NBA. The new CBA made it really difficult for us to keep a core together. Maybe we should’ve built the franchise more sustainably, but then maybe Giannis would’ve demanded out earlier without having tasted a championship. We went all in a bit early (absolutely worth it IMO) and now we’re seeing the effects of that strategy.

[MrHoneycutt]

Boys, I’m going to need you in the years to come.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Lol. Who says they lost money?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/02/14/cnbcs-official-nba-team-valuations-2025.html

-Why Lasry got out. he explicitly said on podcasts he wasn't going to support a non profitable team
-talked to a couple different people connected with the organization that there has been multiple capital calls.

I don't think people realize how much money we are shelling out in salaries and tax. it's insane. 1/4 billion dollars.

....and if you are going to go the route of "but they make it up in the team valuation"
1. the teams valuation already has Giannis factored in and that is only for 2-5 more years
2. the spike was a one-time thing for tv contracts. you aren't going continue to see valuation jumps. herb could've put his money in the s&p 500 for a 1/4 of a decade and made money than he did with the Bucks.

Same reason the buy in price for the expansion teams is going to be so high. Owners don’t want to split the tv revenue into more slices, they want a massive payout up front to make up for the future losses.

The expansion team buy in is going to be closer to that Celtics valuation for that reason alone.

But all the TV revenue and expansion fees will be there regardless if they tank or go for the 6th seed. the difference is it will cost the owners 9-figures going the 6th seed route and I really doubt they get half of that through selling an extra 3k tickets a game.

[Matches Malone]

Boys, I’m going to need you in the years to come.

[bucksfansince88]

I refuse to believe that i just watched Giannis's last game in Milwaukee.

I also have no idea how we fix this.

Start with firing doc, then see if we can sucker Dallas into giving us something for Kuzma, Horst is going to have to make a miracle happen this offseason.

[midranger]

Boys, I’m going to need you in the years to come.

I can’t do it again.

I was there for an awful decade.

Doing it again feels like an unpaid job I’m not willing to do.

[jschligs]

Absolute bummer of a game to be at. After the Dame injury and we got down, we'd get a bit of momentum and then give up wide open threes or easy layups. There were two times Kuz was on the floor and getting embarrassed trying to score and we gave up 2 threes.

I think the most frustrating part is the timeouts were stupid long, the players were standing there ready and we were throwing t-shirts or doing some stupid ass game and trying to hype the crowd.

[BroncoBuck]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/02/14/cnbcs-official-nba-team-valuations-2025.html

-Why Lasry got out. he explicitly said on podcasts he wasn't going to support a non profitable team
-talked to a couple different people connected with the organization that there has been multiple capital calls.

I don't think people realize how much money we are shelling out in salaries and tax. it's insane. 1/4 billion dollars.

....and if you are going to go the route of "but they make it up in the team valuation"
1. the teams valuation already has Giannis factored in and that is only for 2-5 more years
2. the spike was a one-time thing for tv contracts. you aren't going continue to see valuation jumps. herb could've put his money in the s&p 500 for a 1/4 of a decade and made money than he did with the Bucks.

Same reason the buy in price for the expansion teams is going to be so high. Owners don’t want to split the tv revenue into more slices, they want a massive payout up front to make up for the future losses.

The expansion team buy in is going to be closer to that Celtics valuation for that reason alone.

But all the TV revenue and expansion fees will be there regardless if they tank or go for the 6th seed. the difference is it will cost the owners 9-figures going the 6th seed route and I really doubt they get half of that through selling an extra 3k tickets a game.

Yeah, the owners/league pushed this crazy apron system to incentivize not paying the luxury tax. We were one of the teams screwed by it based on where we were with our roster, but I get it. The Celtics are going to be in that situation with their extensions starting to kick in as well. Look at a team like Golden State and how much their ownership was paying in tax and it’s easy to see why they would want to construct a system in which they wouldn’t get ridiculed for shedding salary.

[jschligs]

I'm really worried about us long term. Brook/Dame/Pat are washed or injured, Kuz sucks. Who else do we have long term that can be of any value? We can't draft for **** and are in cap hell. The future is looking bleak. At least we got a title, but damn....I'm scared.

After the Jrue trade and we won the new cap rules came in and ****ed us and we did ourselves no favors before or after that.

[BroncoBuck]

I'm really worried about us long term. Brook/Dame/Pat are washed or injured, Kuz sucks. Who else do we have long term that can be of any value? We can't draft for **** and are in cap hell. The future is looking bleak. At least we got a title, but damn....I'm scared.

After the Jrue trade and we won the new cap rules came in and ****ed us and we did ourselves no favors before or after that.

Brook is a free agent so we don’t have to worry about him at all. Kuzma is on a declining contract the next two seasons. Pat almost certainly opts in for one more year on his player option.

Really our cap is just Giannis and Dame.

Just be glad we’re not Philly. Embiid’s contract STARTS AFTER next season. 3/200 million.

Including next season he has 4/250 million.

[jschligs]

I'm really worried about us long term. Brook/Dame/Pat are washed or injured, Kuz sucks. Who else do we have long term that can be of any value? We can't draft for **** and are in cap hell. The future is looking bleak. At least we got a title, but damn....I'm scared.

After the Jrue trade and we won the new cap rules came in and ****ed us and we did ourselves no favors before or after that.

Brook is a free agent so we don’t have to worry about him at all. Kuzma is on a declining contract the next two seasons. Pat almost certainly opts in for one more year on his player option.

Really our cap is just Giannis and Dame.

Just be glad we’re not Philly. Embiid’s contract STARTS AFTER next season. 3/200 million.

Including next season he has 4/250 million.

The 76ers at least have Maxey and McCain, they also own their 26 1st, 28st and Clippers 28 1st, and 2029 swap. They have at least one good young piece if not more and have future opportunities. Even with limited cap space.

[MrHoneycutt]

Boys, I’m going to need you in the years to come.

I can’t do it again.

I was there for an awful decade.

Doing it again feels like an unpaid job I’m not willing to do.

Take heart with me. It’s like an old shoe — we’re well-practiced in the art. Times will get rough, but we saw the top of the mountain together (and I’m not talking Ramon Sessions).

I’ll probably have to set new boundaries too, though. Your line about unpaid work hit home.

[BroncoBuck]

I'm really worried about us long term. Brook/Dame/Pat are washed or injured, Kuz sucks. Who else do we have long term that can be of any value? We can't draft for **** and are in cap hell. The future is looking bleak. At least we got a title, but damn....I'm scared.

After the Jrue trade and we won the new cap rules came in and ****ed us and we did ourselves no favors before or after that.

Brook is a free agent so we don’t have to worry about him at all. Kuzma is on a declining contract the next two seasons. Pat almost certainly opts in for one more year on his player option.

Really our cap is just Giannis and Dame.

Just be glad we’re not Philly. Embiid’s contract STARTS AFTER next season. 3/200 million.

Including next season he has 4/250 million.

The 76ers at least have Maxey and McCain, they also own their 26 1st, 28st and Clippers 28 1st, and 2029 swap. They have at least one good young piece if not more and have future opportunities. Even with limited cap space.

Maxey is on year 1 of a 5/200 million dollar deal.

The next 4 years they owe 450 million dollars to Maxey and Embiid alone.
Paul George is owed 160 million over the next 3 years.

And there’s still a chance their pick goes to OKC this season. It’s only top 6 protected.

[Plossum]

At least we won a title. It’s hard to do as the following years have shown. Plenty of great teams and players who never reached that summit.

But crazy to think that in the whole time we’ve had Giannis we’ve won 8 series, lost 8 series (assuming Indy wins this year). Just the one NBA finals and one other ECF appearance in 9 years of Giannis in the Playoffs.

Injuries have killed us post 2021 but this year really cements, injuries or not, that the Bucks are irrelevant again.

[BroncoBuck]

I said it the other day, but the league is really going to have to implement an amnesty clause window again in one of the next CBA’s. These contracts have gotten so out of hand and they are absolutely crippling.

Jaylen Brown signed a 300 million dollar extension. He’s made the All NBA team one time.

[blazza18]

We have played Indiana close to 20 times the last two years and we expect them to be something different every time we play them. Hats off to them for kicking our asses again. I don't really care for them but they are a team that looks together under a pretty good coach. We on the other hand look like a joke of a team.